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Stanz
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I did not intend to imply that the Bible is a western document, just that it is the foundational document of western culture.
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dougp
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Good catch! Except …
Your church doesn’t agree with you.
Copernicus, mentioned in the Times piece, was a Catholic clergyman who kept out of the same trouble by (1) being safely in northern Europe and (2) keeping quiet, not letting his work be published until after he was safely dead. Ec 9:5,10.
Many historians of science see the Galileo case as bringing science to a halt in southern Europe, while the English, French and Germans thrived by publishing freely. That’s how humans commonly exchange and multiply their knowledge, whether in the hands of a Babylonian scribe, an ink-stained Gutenberg, or a blogger.
What Galileo saw, with his own eyes, was that Jupiter had moons, round ones, that presented differently - phases - over time. Our moon does the same thing. The only explanation was that those moons orbited their planet. ‘They moved.’
I was once told that the Church’s view was based on a Psalm that says ‘the earth shall not be moved’ or some such. There are other ways to understand that which don’t deny science; even so, I wonder how that could have been so important to an organization based in a land with so many earthquakes. Myself, I don’t worry about the earth. I have the promise at Ps 37:29.
Galileo’s chief patron was Cdl. Robert Bellarmine, as powerful as many of the Popes he served but who never got the white smoke himself. When Galileo got more tactless he thought Bellarmine would support him. He did not. He was a politician, not a seeker after truth.
The author to read on this, and much more, is the late Stillman Drake.
You should worry more about being so out of step with Rome. Glad to be of service.
Your church doesn’t agree with you.
Copernicus, mentioned in the Times piece, was a Catholic clergyman who kept out of the same trouble by (1) being safely in northern Europe and (2) keeping quiet, not letting his work be published until after he was safely dead. Ec 9:5,10.
Many historians of science see the Galileo case as bringing science to a halt in southern Europe, while the English, French and Germans thrived by publishing freely. That’s how humans commonly exchange and multiply their knowledge, whether in the hands of a Babylonian scribe, an ink-stained Gutenberg, or a blogger.
What Galileo saw, with his own eyes, was that Jupiter had moons, round ones, that presented differently - phases - over time. Our moon does the same thing. The only explanation was that those moons orbited their planet. ‘They moved.’
I was once told that the Church’s view was based on a Psalm that says ‘the earth shall not be moved’ or some such. There are other ways to understand that which don’t deny science; even so, I wonder how that could have been so important to an organization based in a land with so many earthquakes. Myself, I don’t worry about the earth. I have the promise at Ps 37:29.
Galileo’s chief patron was Cdl. Robert Bellarmine, as powerful as many of the Popes he served but who never got the white smoke himself. When Galileo got more tactless he thought Bellarmine would support him. He did not. He was a politician, not a seeker after truth.
The author to read on this, and much more, is the late Stillman Drake.
You should worry more about being so out of step with Rome. Glad to be of service.
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dougp
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I understand. But many today feel that it is, and that’s a hindrance to its divinely ordained promulgation.
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Edwyn
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Obviously, you haven’t watched the series that I gave, because a whole episode is for Galileo Galilei LOL.
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Edwyn
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Oh I know, that’s why I prefaced the post as “How about how…”
You know, just in case.
You know, just in case.
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BartholomewB
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The rumor I heard is that the Church borrowed its astronomy from Aristotle, through the intermediary of Aquinas. That’s only hearsay evidence, though. I haven’t attempted to verify it.
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