My friend!

[Lynn-D]

Ok we all know you stance on transgenderism. Dont lump that in with my firend please! I see annother disorder here, obsessive compulsive.

You linked your friend in with transgenderism by your posting of the transgender blog in the first place. I did not link her to that, - you did!

And yes, I do see transgenderism as just another non-biological social construct promoted by its patron, a transvestite activist. I purposely stand apart from transgender discussions since I have no real idea of what it really means medically. I do not delve into abstract behaviors not being an idealist but rather a pragmatist.

Accept the fact of what is being described by transgender, - a gender identity disorder. That to me is the real obsessive compulsive behavior linked more with fetishism than medical identity and exactly so by its majority inclusion of transvestites under its banner of mix and match behaviors and lifestyles.

Lynn-D

 

[aspawloski4th]

You linked your friend in with transgenderism by your posting of the transgender blog in the first place. I did not link her to that, - you did!

And yes, I do see transgenderism as just another non-biological social construct promoted by its patron, a transvestite activist. I purposely stand apart from transgender discussions since I have no real idea of what it really means medically. I do not delve into abstract behaviors not being an idealist but rather a pragmatist.

Accept the fact of what is being described by transgender, - a gender identity disorder. That to me is the real obsessive compulsive behavior linked more with fetishism than medical identity and exactly so by its majority inclusion of transvestites under its banner of mix and match behaviors and lifestyles.

Lynn-D

First what I meant by saying “obsessive compulsive” is your obsession with saying you hate the word transgender. I thought your woman’s intuition would of picked that up. 2nd My purpose of starting this thread was to show that transsexuals are plenty capable of doing good , Ie Barbara’s talking others down from suicide and that transsexuals do have feelings and genuine one’s at that, ie Barbara taking her won life. Also for those who think transsexuals can’t be Chrsitian to remind them about Mark 19, 38-41. Some may think I obsess over being in the wrong body, and if that can look very true if all one doe’s look at is surface vale. Ill tell everyone this until Im in a body Im much more comfortable with and a everyday role I feel more at home in and not putting up a phoney image anymore, of course Im going to obsess, it’sd only a natural reaction to something as stressful and depressing at that. To think otherwise would be loonytunes. Those who sent condolences thankyou, those who agreed with me , Im pleasantly surprised, to those who don’t agree, read up on your modern genetics, and this issue is not going to go away.

 

[Lynn-D]

First what I meant by saying “obsessive compulsive” is your obsession with saying you hate the word transgender. I thought your woman’s intuition would of picked that up. 2nd My purpose of starting this thread was to show that transsexuals are plenty capable of doing good , Ie Barbara’s talking others down from suicide and that transsexuals do have feelings and genuine one’s at that, ie Barbara taking her won life. Also for those who think transsexuals can’t be Chrsitian to remind them about Mark 19, 38-41. Some may think I obsess over being in the wrong body, and if that can look very true if all one doe’s look at is surface vale. Ill tell everyone this until Im in a body Im much more comfortable with and a everyday role I feel more at home in and not putting up a phoney image anymore, of course Im going to obsess, it’sd only a natural reaction to something as stressful and depressing at that. To think otherwise would be loonytunes. Those who sent condolences thankyou, those who agreed with me , Im pleasantly surprised, to those who don’t agree, read up on your modern genetics, and this issue is not going to go away.

I never use the word hate to apply to anyone or anything. I was taught by the nuns that hate is a sign of weakness and being a practicing Catholic I hold that to be true. I also am not obsessive, simply educated and will not ignore ignorance or detract from facts and dwell instead on emotional diatribes.

I do strongly dislike the ambiguous term ‘transgender’ and its connection to homosexuality and transvestism (i.e. under the acronym GLBT) which both are named as abominations in the bible. It is a masking term with no definitive application other then to provide cover for those who seem to actually suffer from a gender identity disorder and seem to disconnect from what and who they really might be. Anyone who applies the term transgender to themselves is telling me they accept being classed no differently than a fetishist, gay cross-dresser or a drag queen all of which are welcomed categories grouped under the transgender umbrella. It is a confusing term and constructed to do just that by its promoter a transvestite, who actually made clear it was not inclusive of transsexuals or intersex believing that they were medical conditions and unlike transgender not behavioral attitudes.

In the case of genetics you missed out on the fact that the studies specifically dealt with transsexuals to the noted exclusion of transgender and homosexuals. In case you need a refresher please avail yourself of the following links:
f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/4AeiSC83qdlG6Yoza-kKCTL8FHeTV72tJz6aJuZ9MQhDIRZuprAYk2C3nEgi3i5JzlBIsGT8gTeGLNZJ93D89g/TRANSSEXUAL%20BRAIN%20STUDIES/A%20difference%20in%20the%20brain%20Gooren.pdf

1. f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/8BWiSEzjucPPxUXKrEpT9rmfhPw7LywjuvIgRG2_gNoRwEDnedAGL8mE-K1YJOloP1_eYWB8EW0FSLD9ppWG1Q/Sex%20and%20gender%20must%20be%20treated%20differently.

Lynn-D

 

[Christy_Beth]

Lynn-D

As I’ve read your posts, one thing has caught my attention. You seem very arrogant. Is that just here? Or are you like this about everything? You appear to want to foist your own views onto everyone here. Is this such a threat to you? What are you NOT saying? I’d like to see a whole lot more compassion from you.

 

[Lynn-D]

Lynn-D

As I’ve read your posts, one thing has caught my attention. You seem very arrogant. Is that just here? Or are you like this about everything? You appear to want to foist your own views onto everyone here. Is this such a threat to you? What are you NOT saying? I’d like to see a whole lot more compassion from you.

I am sorry if you take me to be arrogant. I simply am a person who does not deal in misconceptions but rather bring up facts if at all possible. How might I do that and not appear arrogant to you may I ask? Should I deny the truth? Should I twist research to suit detractors? Should I make claims I cannot support?

Please tell me what I must do so as not to appear arrogant in your eyes. Would that I deny the bible to satisfy others? No, I will not do that.

Lynn-D

 

[Christy_Beth]

You have your perceptions of truth. You fail to see that there is more to the truth than what you have. We all need to learn. As long as we are on this earth, we will be learning. You seem unable, unwilling even, to really listen to what people have to say. It’s your way or the highway.

It’s one thing to have (name removed by moderator)ut on an issue, another to push that down the throats of other people. Your posts seem to say that you are above the mess of this world. If you are alive, then you are in this mess up to your neck. You aren’t any different from anyone else here. But you want to have all the answers. Well, you don’t.

Are you a fully qualified therapist? Are you a professor, perhaps? I doubt it. You can have your say. But you need to listen to what others are saying without judgement. Stop being so judgemental. You aren’t the judge here. Only God can truely judge us. So back off, ok?

 

[Lynn-D]

You have your perceptions of truth. You fail to see that there is more to the truth than what you have. We all need to learn. As long as we are on this earth, we will be learning. You seem unable, unwilling even, to really listen to what people have to say. It’s your way or the highway.

It’s one thing to have (name removed by moderator)ut on an issue, another to push that down the throats of other people. Your posts seem to say that you are above the mess of this world. If you are alive, then you are in this mess up to your neck. You aren’t any different from anyone else here. But you want to have all the answers. Well, you don’t.

Are you a fully qualified therapist? Are you a professor, perhaps? I doubt it. You can have your say. But you need to listen to what others are saying without judgement. Stop being so judgemental. You aren’t the judge here. Only God can truely judge us. So back off, ok?

I am confused. Are you an expert that can discern what I am addressing or perhaps you too are a transgender. I offer not only my words but links to actual research and you attack me as being arrogant and judgemental. Is it me or is it the research that is arrogant and judgemental? I am neither but I will never back down in the face of emotional arguments when they do not support truth and my belief in my Catholic faith.

And yes, a long time ago I was a social worker in a rehab facility and required to be able to offer therapy under the guidelines of the State Dept. of Social Services. Does that satisfy you or would you like to be privy to my personal life. I do have one and it happens to be very rich in friendships some of whom also happen to be therapists working for major universities who might even wonder why I bother addressing those who argue for behavioral choices instead of facing the truth.

Lynn-D

 

[Mirdath]

So I have to ask loud and clear: What is transgenderism? And please do not give me the cover story of it being a gender variance? It was and still is a term promoted by a transvestite and that is always how it should be examined without the confusion attaching it to transsexualism or intersex causes.

Lynn, every person I can recall having heard hold forth on the subject, whether transwhatever or ciswhatever or intersexed – you being the sole exception – has used the term to mean exactly what you mean when you say ‘transsexuality’ (or ‘transsexualism’ or whatever the suffix du jour is).

Maybe it’s the generation gap, maybe everyone else is a little less concerned with formality, maybe people just want to avoid the impression that it’s all about sex, an especially valid concern given how transmogenderifiedsexualists (if we get one thing out of this, can it please be a shorter term?! ) are often dismissed as freaks, lunatics, or Satan’s own spawn. I don’t know, and don’t think it’s worth caring about overmuch – word meanings shift, even when they concern rather small groups; and besides, there’s something to be said for the reclamation of labels, don’t you think? Where a generally-accepted-as-innocuous word came from only matters to the kind of person who was eating Freedom Fries salted with bald eagle tears a while back.

For what it’s worth, I usually hear transvestites, crossdressers, and everybody else you seem to abhor lumped together as ‘genderqueer’ these days. I think it’s a sensible label: it conveys the point that it’s entirely sexual and social and has nothing to do with self-image or identity, while still messing around with the line between masculinity and femininity.

And if I may address the ongoing slapfight, Christy Beth does have a point – when it comes to your own words, you do tend to come across as some kind of Keeper of the Keys on this topic. You don’t seem to take well to even trivial differences of opinion in areas open to such differences (ie, everything not hard science), whether the rival opinion is more freaky or more reactionary than yours. Knowledge is no excuse for cattiness.

 

[aspawloski4th]

I am sorry if you take me to be arrogant. I simply am a person who does not deal in misconceptions but rather bring up facts if at all possible. How might I do that and not appear arrogant to you may I ask? Should I deny the truth? Should I twist research to suit detractors? Should I make claims I cannot support?

Please tell me what I must do so as not to appear arrogant in your eyes. Would that I deny the bible to satisfy others? No, I will not do that.

Lynn-D

Personally I don’t take it that you are being arogant, but more along the lines of frusterated is all. But you do harp and the same things over and over. Also lately you are sounding a bit like my parents in that you are correct and the rest of the world who disagrees with you is bad for disagreeing. Because of that attititude out of my parents lately driving me up a wall, Im not going to be too fond of that attitude anywhere I see it come from.

 

[Christy_Beth]

Lynn-D

Behavioral choices? A lot of these “choices” aren’t really choices. Ever heard of “nature or nurture?” In some cases it’s a bit of both. And just because of you were once a social worker, it doesn’t mean you’re on top of things. I’ve come across this sort of attitude from people who’s training was extremely outdated. And don’t try to tell me that I can’t know your attitude. It shows in everything you write.

As far as me and my “sexual orientation,” well, you don’t know me from Adam. You don’t know what it is because I haven’t said a thing about it. Nor will I. That isn’t an issue here. Your intolerence is. If you don’t like the conversation here, I’m sure there’s one out there where people with your kind of attitudes and beliefs hang out. I’m sure you would be far happier there.

 

[aspawloski4th]

For those mad at LynneD. I first met her here a few years ago when I posted a question about some friends who were crossdressers and transsexuals, after getting bombarded by hate posts and she came to my aid, and we became friends after a few pm’s. In the last year or two something changed.She dwells on the word transgender and her loathing of it. In all actuality I dont care for that term much either, but Im pragmatic in realizing what the rest of the world understands. You type transsexual into a search engine you get porn, you type transgnder into a search engine you get some usefull information. That isnt something that Lynne D or I can change thats the cards that are dealt out and have to be dealed with , like it or lump it. Her attitude that one is a true transexual if they are willing to sell the house and risk all for transition. I can tell everyone with confidence that if I listened to that attitude concearning me Id be homeless , jobless and dead soon after, and you can bet your soul on that. Lynne has been successfull most of her life, not without failures but doe’s know what success is, many of us me included have yet to experience success, the only job interviews Ive ever had leed to a job were for ****** jobs, that are only enough to just merely physically survive. Interviews to good jobs have never ever lead to a good job in my life. She treats the transsexual issue like its easy, Im here to tell you it isnt! The once good and good hearted person I knew has now turned bitter and cranky over what are not big huge issues. Im just glad those like her dont run the show in the medical world. Id be forced to stay male which would be living death for me. This thread is Originally about my friend Barbara Ann who Lynne never said a thing about in all her posts on this thread.

 

[Christy_Beth]

I know this started out about your friend. I haven’t forgotton. But somewhere along the line it got hijacked into something else. I really believe that we have discussed this topic to the end. A bit of overkill, really. Not that I believe this issue is trivial, just discussed to death. We are getting nowhere with it. Can we go onto something else now?

 

[Holly3278]

The story of Barbara Ann is yet another sad and tragic example of how the medical community has betrayed and abandoned those who suffer from the various crippling disorders of sexual deviancy. By declaring such disorders as “normal” and ceasing research on developing therapies and treatments, people such as Barbara Ann (Bob?) lead a life of misery and as was the case here, tragically end their lives.

Let us put the blame for his tragedy in the right place, the American Psychiatrists.

I totally agree. Mainstream American psychiatry has betrayed those who have sexual disorders such as transsexualism and homosexuality. It is incredibly sad that this is so but it is true.

 

[pathia]

I totally agree. Mainstream American psychiatry has betrayed those who have sexual disorders such as transsexualism and homosexuality. It is incredibly sad that this is so but it is true.

And the alternative is what? I was treated, had it attempted to be cured from me for over a decade by both secular and religious based therapists. Every single one of my suicide attempts was directly after I picked up this therapy. When I wasn’t trying to cure myself, I wasn’t depressed. Literally, three to six months into each batch of therapy, I would start slashing up my wrists, or downing pills or something, it was like clockwork.

They made me feel horrible, like I didn’t have a soul, and some of these therapists were CATHOLIC that did this to me. I have severe anxiety issues and problems with therapists and councilors in general now because of what those monsters did to me in the name of a ‘cure’ that the ‘mainstream’ wasn’t interested in. Literally, the color pink makes me have an anxiety attack. A COLOR. This was directly the result of quackery This is why they abandoned it, because nothing seems to work reliably, and most often they just make the problem worse. If they see something they do causes MORE harm than not treating it, then treatment is going to fall out of favor.

It’s simply not ethical to try experimental treatments that end up aggravating the level of suicide. My body is scarred and torn apart in places due to these people, and they of course think they were all doing the right thing and that I was just a ‘bad’ patient. Seriously, I fried tried to kill myself at the age of EIGHT. What kind of monster manages to push a happy eight year old into a depression so bad that I hung myself from my bunk bed? Reparative Therapists, that’s who. I felt I would be a martyr, that’s how horrible those people made me, and all of them were doing it in the ‘name of God’.

Not only did they ruin my life, but they ruined my parents lives. Who did they blame all my problems on? My parents of course. Every single thing was their fault. To this day they think they failed me in some way. They have taken the blame onto themselves because of these men, so every time they see me I spike up a depression in themselves, because I represent a failure that these people say I am. I have two brothers who turned out completely normal and content, they were raised exactly the same as me. There was nothing they could have done to prevent my problem, yet they still blame themselves, and nothing I can see or do will change their opinion, they religious therapists have convinced them so solidly that they are failures as parents.

 

[Christy_Beth]

I have had more than one therapist. And, yes, some only made the problem worse. My parents didn’t have to go through what your’s did. It was usually put down that I was just a bad person for feeling the way I did. Of course, the reasons I was in therapy to begin with were different from yours.

I wish I could point you to a therapist that would really help instead of hinder. But I can’t do that. The only one who can do anything for you right now is God. If you are as depressed as you seem, that may be something you don’t want to hear. I know I didn’t at my lowest points. But please know that God loves you the way you are. And only He can make sense in this world. Of course, we may not be able to see that sense, but knowing it’s there may help.

If possible, I would take on some of the pain you are feeling. Jesus feels the same way. Give your pain to Him. It won’t be easy, nothing ever is. I still struggle with handing everything to Him. Don’t give up yet. You may have been going through all of this in order to help others in the future. Have you ever thought about studying to be a therapist yourself? You may grow to understand the human mind better, and understand yourself better. At the same time, you can be preparing yourself to help others go through this.

 

[pathia]

I have had more than one therapist. And, yes, some only made the problem worse. My parents didn’t have to go through what your’s did. It was usually put down that I was just a bad person for feeling the way I did. Of course, the reasons I was in therapy to begin with were different from yours.

I wish I could point you to a therapist that would really help instead of hinder. But I can’t do that. The only one who can do anything for you right now is God. If you are as depressed as you seem, that may be something you don’t want to hear. I know I didn’t at my lowest points. But please know that God loves you the way you are. And only He can make sense in this world. Of course, we may not be able to see that sense, but knowing it’s there may help.

If possible, I would take on some of the pain you are feeling. Jesus feels the same way. Give your pain to Him. It won’t be easy, nothing ever is. I still struggle with handing everything to Him. Don’t give up yet. You may have been going through all of this in order to help others in the future. Have you ever thought about studying to be a therapist yourself? You may grow to understand the human mind better, and understand yourself better. At the same time, you can be preparing yourself to help others go through this.

You miss the point. I’m fine now, I have a productive life, I’m not depressed. I’m content, married and moving on, the therapy was what destroyed my life, not my ‘lifestyle’. I didn’t NEED therapy. Therapy WAS the problem. Trying to change my inner nature just me crazy. All my pain was from trying to remove the problem, I went with the flow instead and I am much better off in the end. I would be dead if I continued to try to cure myself, I have no doubt about it now.

Eventually one of my attempts would have succeeded. Of course one of my therapists would actually have rather had me kill myself. ‘Better to die young by your own hand under duress than to live a life of sin’ was his thought. He even runs a daycamp now for children with SSA to be cured, and as far as I’m aware his thought on that hasn’t changed.

 

[Christy_Beth]

Sorry if I misunderstood. I guess what I was trying to say was, get to the point of accepting yourself as you are. And obviously you’ve done that. I wish you well. Maybe you can help others who have been where you have. What’s that saying? Pay it forward?

 

[aspawloski4th]

I totally agree. Mainstream American psychiatry has betrayed those who have sexual disorders such as transsexualism and homosexuality. It is incredibly sad that this is so but it is true.

My parents in their own sort of way made me surpress this by emphasizing Im a boy, and look it didnt work. All psychiatry asside, Ive always believed that some of the best evedence to prove any point is antcedontal. The evedence I see infront my own eyes when I see it in person through the people I know points to the Harry Benjamins types being right and those like NARTH and the oldfashioned mindset that the physical body makes you what you are being off the mark. Seeing is believing. I see very well thankyou.

 

[Annn]

I totally agree. Mainstream American psychiatry has betrayed those who have sexual disorders such as transsexualism and homosexuality. It is incredibly sad that this is so but it is true.

Sexual orientation and gender identity are two different things. For example, I’m homosexual but that says nothing about my gender identity, which matches my sex.

 

[Christy_Beth]

I’d like to say that any more comments about this be posted on a different thread. The original subject has been lost in the disagreements of sexuality. So, start another thread. That way a fresh slate is given the opportunity to voice those differences. And, please, do so in love.