My girlfriend is Protestant (please advise)

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All I know is that two priests and a Canon lawyer gave the go ahead on it after a meeting with the area Bishop. Something about unity of family and the fact con and transubtantiation are not so far apart and belief in real presence. Does the fact my Pastor is a former priest play a role in it?
 
All I know is that two priests and a Canon lawyer gave the go ahead on it after a meeting with the area Bishop. Something about unity of family and the fact con and transubtantiation are not so far apart and belief in real presence. Does the fact my Pastor is a former priest play a role in it?
Two priests and a Canon lawyer don’t trump the Catechism.

The fact that your pastor is a non-practicing Catholic could actually compound the problem, adding in the sin of scandal.

I would suggest you use the “Ask An Apologist” area of the forum for their (name removed by moderator)ut.
 
Lutheranteach and (name removed by moderator): your personal stories of interfaith marriage are encouraging.

While many here have adviced for me to simply “end it” and to find a “nice Catholic girl”, I cannot break what the Lord has bound. Admittedly, the thought of doing so has entered my head in the last few days. I agree that if we were to marry in the future, many other problems would arise. So the easy solution would be to end it now, as hard as it may be, rather than struggling for years to come in marriage, which may eventually lead up to an ugly divorce. But that would be too easy, I do not believe that life is meant to be easy. We must constantly work at it. There are struggles and challenges anywhere you look. My girlfriend stated that night she was upset that it is true what they say, “religion does divide.” I respectfully disagree.

Her devotion has inspired me so much and pushed me miles and miles closer to my faith. I’m sure that my enthusiasm in the faith has rubbed off on her (even if just a little.) In the time we’ve been dating both of our fathers have passed away, and I don’t know how I would’ve gotten over that difficult time without my strong faith and her by my side. Our faith has pushed us closer. And I believe that we can all learn from each other.

While I don’t necessarily pray for her conversion, I do pray that she can have an open heart and be willing to understand my faith and be sympathetic towards it. She doesn’t have to agree with all of it. The Lord has her on a different journey, and that’s OK. I am no one to question the Lord. What I do know is that He has made our paths cross, whether it is only temporary or permanent, but I plan to stay on this path as long as He says. Not because I’m a bad guy and want to waste both her and my time, but because I want God’s will to be done.

The last couple of days we have had some theological talks, and have agreed and disagreed. I do believe that we must both be open about our complete faith, whether or not it will upset the other one. In the past, both of us (especially her) have tried to avoid theology issues and tend to just focus on Christ and general common ground. While I’m not planning to bombard her with Catholic doctrine, I will however, bring up topics more and more frequently. And have already encouraged her to question my faith; anything that doesn’t make sense to her, as I’d be more than happy to share my beliefs. Someone here posted a link to what seems to be a great video, I plan on ordering it shortly and watch it together with her.

Maybe all of this will be moot and I’ll break up with her next week or a year from now, or perhaps never. I leave it up to God to decide!

Thank you all so much for taking time from your busy day to respond with your much appreciated advice and for the prayers.

May the Lord be with you all! 🙂
 
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My wife’s priest looks the other way about the fact that she receives communion in a Lutheran Church when she attends calling it a matter of informed conscience with any bad being far outweighed by the good. Explain please?
I’m going to go out on a limb here and propose this.

That by recognizing that the communion in the Lutheran Church does not contain the real presence, and that she is participating ONLY in a commemoration and not a sacrament, Lutherenteach’s wife is not praticipating in a “intercommunion”. That is she is not trying to substitute the lutheren communion for the Catholic communion.

Perhaps this is why the priest and canon lawyer felt there was no sin in her participation.

Peace
James
 
I’m going to go out on a limb here and propose this.

That by recognizing that the communion in the Lutheran Church does not contain the real presence, and that she is participating ONLY in a commemoration and not a sacrament, Lutherenteach’s wife is not praticipating in a “intercommunion”. That is she is not trying to substitute the lutheren communion for the Catholic communion.

Perhaps this is why the priest and canon lawyer felt there was no sin in her participation.

Peace
James
At the risk of going too far afield on this off topic…

One cannot partake of communion at a non-Catholic Church for the same reason one cannot partake of the marital act with a person other than your spouse.
 
At the risk of going too far afield on this off topic…

One cannot partake of communion at a non-Catholic Church for the same reason one cannot partake of the marital act with a person other than your spouse.
I’m afraid I don’t see the connection between the two.
I will happily accept correction on this, but the analogy above escapes me.

If the person taking “communion” at the other church is doing so with the full knowledge and understanding that this communion is NOT the actual Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ, and that they are merely eating and drinking bread and wine in commemoration of Christ’s death and resurection, then they are not trying to substitute this communion for actual communion at Mass.

Furthermore, since she is only doing it after consultation and permission of a “spiritual director” (in this case “…two priests and …the area Bishop”) who consider that she has a proper understanding and properly “informed conscience” on the matter, I certainly cannot see that such a person would be committing a sin.

As I read the catachism passage you provided, I can see where the church is clearly stating that She (The Church - The Clergy) cannot participate in inter-communion services. Such participation would promote the idea that other Churches DO contain the real presence.

Peace
James
 
One cannot partake of communion at a non-Catholic Church for the same reason one cannot partake of the marital act with a person other than your spouse.
The first is changeable ecclesiastical law, while the second is unchangeable moral law.
 
I’m afraid I don’t see the connection between the two.
I will happily accept correction on this, but the analogy above escapes me.

If the person taking “communion” at the other church is doing so with the full knowledge and understanding that this communion is NOT the actual Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ, and that they are merely eating and drinking bread and wine in commemoration of Christ’s death and resurection, then they are not trying to substitute this communion for actual communion at Mass.

Furthermore, since she is only doing it after consultation and permission of a “spiritual director” (in this case “…two priests and …the area Bishop”) who consider that she has a proper understanding and properly “informed conscience” on the matter, I certainly cannot see that such a person would be committing a sin.

As I read the catachism passage you provided, I can see where the church is clearly stating that She (The Church - The Clergy) cannot participate in inter-communion services. Such participation would promote the idea that other Churches DO contain the real presence.

Peace
James
This is way off topic. I will begin a post in the non-Catholic religions section on this topic.

ETA link to the new thread:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=5950553#post5950553
 
After mass she broke down and claimed that “we” Catholics don’t recognize non-Catholics as Christians, as communion is “exclusive” to only Catholics. But what really hurt her (and took offense to) was that it’s considered a sin for me to take communion at her church (as if there were something wrong with her church). And was deeply saddened by us never being able to take communion together. She didn’t understand why she couldn’t celebrate Christ by following his command of taking communion in memorance of him regardless of whether she’s a Catholic or not, and why it would be so bad for me to take it at her church, as her church would welcome anyone to participate in communion. I tried explaining that we believe that the Eucharist is really the flesh and blood of Christ (aka “Real Presence”), and it doesn’t mean we do it in “memory” of him or as “symbolism”, etc. Didn’t make much of a difference to her.
For one, baptism is what makes us Christian. It’s not communion.

For another, it’s sinful for you to receive communion at her services because it’s not really the body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ. It’s not sinful for her to receive at her services because she doesn’t believe it’s really Jesus. You, on the other hand, believe communion is supposed to be Jesus. There is unity in that you are both Christian, but there is not unity of belief. Receiving communion despite the big difference in belief on not what but WHO communion is, would be to pretend that unity exists where it does not.

The Mass (or Divine Liturgy) is superior in an objective sense to any Protestant service because Jesus is present in the Eucharist, but that speaks to the service rather than the people who celebrate at those services. The only one who can judge a person is God. I don’t take it personally when someone questions the Church or the Mass or whatever. If she is unable or willing to see the difference between judging a religion and judging a person, then that’s a discussion you need to have sooner rather than later.
I feel terrible that I wasn’t able to give her any satisfactory answers to her questions. Would anyone reading this help me out here? I’m hoping someone can give me good explanations for her that are not putting down her faith, such as “you (Protestants) are wrong and we (Catholics) are right!” etc. I think she raised interesting points.
In her denomination, there probably aren’t any significant rules about who can and can’t receive the bread and wine (or juice). They probably also treat it as a purely symbolic act of unity or the like. That’s the way it is at my wife’s non-denominational church.

The Eucharist, however, is not about performing a symbolic act to show everyone around us how united we are. It’s about something personal between each individual and Jesus rather than someting public between the members of the congregation. The Eucharist gives those who receive Him sanctifying grace, on an individual basis, provided we are properly disposed to receive.

Because the Eucharist really is Jesus, we take things regarding the Eucharist very seriously and have several rules about being properly disposed to receive the Lord. Clearly explain to her that being Catholic doesn’t automatically qualify one for receiving communion. Observing the Eucharistic fast of one hour and not being under ecclesial censure (such as excommunication) are qualifications which must be met as well, albeit matters of discipline rather than doctrine and normally rather easily met. But two other rules are based directly on Scripture.

For one, we must be in a state of grace and have made a good confession since our last mortal sin. 1 Corinthians 11:27-28 is very clear on this:

Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord. A person should examine himself, and so eat the bread and drink the cup.

Even a Catholic is not to present themselves for communion if they are under pain of mortal sin. If that’s the case, sit in the pew and make a spiritual communion instead. I’ve had to refrain from receiving communion more than once because of an unconfessed mortal sin, and was greatly embarassed every time. But that’s good because it encouraged me to get myself to confession ASAP 🙂

But being in a state of grace is only part of it. We must actually believe in transubstantiation. It’s not enough to believe Jesus is present in some vague and unknowable way. No, it must be the very specific belief that the bread and wine have become the body, blood, soul and divinity of Jesus despite still appearing to be bread and wine. 1 Corinthians 11:29-30 continues with the following:

*For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself. That is why many among you are ill and infirm, and a considerable number are dying. *

I believe that this is the most important rule for your girlfriend for the same reason I believe it’s the most important rule for my wife. If my wife eats and drinks judgement on herself, it won’t be because I neglected to inform her of that fact. It will be because she went and did it anyway despite my explanation.

This is why belief in the Real Presence is so important. We’re not trying to be spiteful to non-Catholics. We don’t want to permit them to eat and drink judgement on themselves out of ignorance, not just for their sake but because if we permit sinful behavior then we ourselves sin.
 
Encyclical from the Vatican:

vatican.va/edocs/ENG0821/_INDEX.HTM
  1. The Catholic Church’s teaching on the relationship between priestly ministry and the Eucharist and her teaching on the Eucharistic Sacrifice have both been the subject in recent decades of a fruitful dialogue in the area of ecumenism. We must give thanks to the Blessed Trinity for the significant progress and convergence achieved in this regard, which lead us to hope one day for a full sharing of faith. Nonetheless, the observations of the Council concerning the Ecclesial Communities which arose in the West from the sixteenth century onwards and are separated from the Catholic Church remain fully pertinent: “The Ecclesial Communities separated from us lack that fullness of unity with us which should flow from Baptism, and we believe that especially because of the lack of the sacrament of Orders they have not preserved the genuine and total reality of the Eucharistic mystery. Nevertheless, when they commemorate the Lord’s death and resurrection in the Holy Supper, they profess that it signifies life in communion with Christ and they await his coming in glory”.
The Catholic faithful, therefore, while respecting the religious convictions of these separated brethren, must refrain from receiving the communion distributed in their celebrations, so as not to condone an ambiguity about the nature of the Eucharist and, consequently, to fail in their duty to bear clear witness to the truth. This would result in slowing the progress being made towards full visible unity. Similarly, it is unthinkable to substitute for Sunday Mass ecumenical celebrations of the word or services of common prayer with Christians from the aforementioned Ecclesial Communities, or even participation in their own liturgical services. Such celebrations and services, however praiseworthy in certain situations, prepare for the goal of full communion, including Eucharistic communion, but they cannot replace it.

The fact that the power of consecrating the Eucharist has been entrusted only to Bishops and priests does not represent any kind of belittlement of the rest of the People of God, for in the communion of the one body of Christ which is the Church this gift redounds to the benefit of all.
 
While I don’t necessarily pray for her conversion, I do pray that she can have an open heart and be willing to understand my faith and be sympathetic towards it. She doesn’t have to agree with all of it. The Lord has her on a different journey, and that’s OK. I am no one to question the Lord. What I do know is that He has made our paths cross, whether it is only temporary or permanent, but I plan to stay on this path as long as He says. Not because I’m a bad guy and want to waste both her and my time, but because I want God’s will to be done.
You are right in a way, but don’t hesitate to pray from her conversion. Sometimes God puts people in our life for that reason. Of course you should not pressure her too much, but some people will only come so close to the Church and need that person praying for them to come the last few steps. Not only that, but if you do get married, it could help solve some issues. And even if you agree 100% on religious issues, marriage will still not be easy all the time. Marriage can be difficult enough even when you do agree on those things.
The last couple of days we have had some theological talks, and have agreed and disagreed. I do believe that we must both be open about our complete faith, whether or not it will upset the other one. In the past, both of us (especially her) have tried to avoid theology issues and tend to just focus on Christ and general common ground. While I’m not planning to bombard her with Catholic doctrine, I will however, bring up topics more and more frequently. And have already encouraged her to question my faith; anything that doesn’t make sense to her, as I’d be more than happy to share my beliefs. Someone here posted a link to what seems to be a great video, I plan on ordering it shortly and watch it together with her.
May the Lord be with you all! 🙂
Have you tried getting some debates on CD? Or if you do not like the debates, CDs on theological topics? You should try them out, I really enjoy learning from debates. I believe when you hear both sides presented by people who do this all day every day, it helps you better explain your faith. Even if you do not listen to them with her, they may be able to help you when you explain things to her.

Anyways, I will keep praying that you know God’s will.
 
Have you tried getting some debates on CD? Or if you do not like the debates, CDs on theological topics? You should try them out, I really enjoy learning from debates. I believe when you hear both sides presented by people who do this all day every day, it helps you better explain your faith. Even if you do not listen to them with her, they may be able to help you when you explain things to her.
Yes, I have several CDs on theological topics, which have helped me considerably. I lent her a Scott Hahn one, albeit it’s on the advent season. But I’m hoping she’ll enjoy him and be open to hearing his conversion story, and perhaps read some of his books.

I do hope that the DVD I ordered will instill many questions and curiosity on Catholic teaching, even have her asking herself, “what if they are right?” I personally think she’s open to listening, however, I believe she’s very afraid of things making lots of sense from a Catholic perspective and being influenced. Her family goes to a conservative Russian Baptist Church, while she attends a Presbyterian Church. In the past, she’s gotten a bit of grief from her family for this! With this in mind, I can understand why she may fear Catholicism, as she’d most likely lose many of her friends and risk having her family disown her. But I pray that God can show her the truth. God is so good!
 
I have not read all of the posts in this thread, but I have read the OP. With that in mind, I want to earnestly advise you not to date or marry this woman unless she has given some indication that she will convert.

I have suffered TERRIBLY by marrying a non-Christian woman, especially now that I have renewed my faith.

Although your situation is different (she is Christian), I have known many mixed-faith couples that suffer horribly becasue they fight over religion and how the children should be raised.

Know that marriage is a sacrament. Know that the purpose dating is to discern whether you are called to marriage with the person you are dating. If that person is protestant and is fighting you on matters of faith, then you MUST go look elsewhere.

Think of it this way. Your immortal soul is at stake. If she were to lead you away from the Church and the sacraments, the price you might pay very well could be an eternity in Hell. No woman is worth that.

If she does not lead you way, but does not convert, then you will suffer horrible arguments with her and you will BOTH fail to feel the depth of togetherness marriage can bring because such a huge divide is between you.

You MUST discern whether she will convert or is open to converting to the One, True, Catholic Faith founded by Jesus Christ himself. If she will not, then I STRONGLY recommend that you break off this relationship (as painful as that will be). Spend time adoring the Blessed Sacrament and pray that God will reveal his plan for your life, and necessarily (if He wills that you get married) He will will send you a Catholic woman strong in her faith.

You want a woman who puts God first and you second. You want to put God first and your future spouse second. Anything else will lead to misery. I nearly guarantee it.

God Bless,
 
Yes, I have several CDs on theological topics, which have helped me considerably. I lent her a Scott Hahn one, albeit it’s on the advent season. But I’m hoping she’ll enjoy him and be open to hearing his conversion story, and perhaps read some of his books.

I do hope that the DVD I ordered will instill many questions and curiosity on Catholic teaching, even have her asking herself, “what if they are right?” I personally think she’s open to listening, however, I believe she’s very afraid of things making lots of sense from a Catholic perspective and being influenced. Her family goes to a conservative Russian Baptist Church, while she attends a Presbyterian Church. In the past, she’s gotten a bit of grief from her family for this! With this in mind, I can understand why she may fear Catholicism, as she’d most likely lose many of her friends and risk having her family disown her. But I pray that God can show her the truth. God is so good!
Cool.

Yeah, I understand. The family thing can really cause a problem or be the cause of her hesitation. I will pray for her and for you.
 
Her folks are, even though they lived in South America for many years. My girlfriend’s siblings were born in South America, while she was born in the U.S. So while they feel predominantly Russian, they also feel Latinos. 🙂
 
I have not read all of the posts in this thread, but I have read the OP. With that in mind, I want to earnestly advise you not to date or marry this woman unless she has given some indication that she will convert.

I have suffered TERRIBLY by marrying a non-Christian woman, especially now that I have renewed my faith.

Although your situation is different (she is Christian), I have known many mixed-faith couples that suffer horribly becasue they fight over religion and how the children should be raised.

Know that marriage is a sacrament. Know that the purpose dating is to discern whether you are called to marriage with the person you are dating. If that person is protestant and is fighting you on matters of faith, then you MUST go look elsewhere.

Think of it this way. Your immortal soul is at stake. If she were to lead you away from the Church and the sacraments, the price you might pay very well could be an eternity in Hell. No woman is worth that.

If she does not lead you way, but does not convert, then you will suffer horrible arguments with her and you will BOTH fail to feel the depth of togetherness marriage can bring because such a huge divide is between you.

You MUST discern whether she will convert or is open to converting to the One, True, Catholic Faith founded by Jesus Christ himself. If she will not, then I STRONGLY recommend that you break off this relationship (as painful as that will be). Spend time adoring the Blessed Sacrament and pray that God will reveal his plan for your life, and necessarily (if He wills that you get married) He will will send you a Catholic woman strong in her faith.

You want a woman who puts God first and you second. You want to put God first and your future spouse second. Anything else will lead to misery. I nearly guarantee it.

God Bless,
Thank you for sharing your experience!

Here’s the thing, if I flat out ask her today “I need to know whether you’ll convert to Catholicism in order for our relationship to continue.” She’ll obviously cry and say she can’t, and that’ll be the end of that. Not because she’ll never do it, but because she’s not ready to do it today. If I honestly believed there wasn’t a chance of her converting, then I’m not sure I’d be with her but I can’t say that for certain either. I do feel like there is hope, and I’m hanging on to it. In the past, she’s never bashed the Church and has praised certain aspects of it. Then again, she’ll point out things she doesn’t agree with either.
 
You want a woman who puts God first and you second. You want to put God first and your future spouse second. Anything else will lead to misery. I nearly guarantee it.
I agree with Tedfey here. And since you two are dating, now is the time to see where the relationship will go. I wouldn’t pressure her to convert though or she may resent you later on. If you guys are getting serious, you two should seriously have a talk and decide where your hearts are. I guess what I’m saying is be cautious. When my husband and I were dating - I thought our different faiths wouldn’t matter. But it does. And it gets worse when the kids come - only because you both want what’s best for them - and you’ll both think your faith is the best. If that makes any sense 🙂

Still praying for you guys and that the Holy Spirit guides your discernment.
 
I agree with Tedfey here. And since you two are dating, now is the time to see where the relationship will go. I wouldn’t pressure her to convert though or she may resent you later on. If you guys are getting serious, you two should seriously have a talk and decide where your hearts are. I guess what I’m saying is be cautious. When my husband and I were dating - I thought our different faiths wouldn’t matter. But it does. And it gets worse when the kids come - only because you both want what’s best for them - and you’ll both think your faith is the best. If that makes any sense 🙂

Still praying for you guys and that the Holy Spirit guides your discernment.
Sorry to pry, but is your spouse still of a different faith or did he ever convert? Was there any common ground that pushed you guys closer, or did it get to the point where you no longer wished to discuss theology, as it would likely get ugly?

The kids issue is the scary part. It’s not like you can say, “the girls will be Protestant, and the boys will be Catholic” or “we’ll alternate between child” etc.
 
Thank you for sharing your experience!

Here’s the thing, if I flat out ask her today “I need to know whether you’ll convert to Catholicism in order for our relationship to continue.” She’ll obviously cry and say she can’t, and that’ll be the end of that. Not because she’ll never do it, but because she’s not ready to do it today. If I honestly believed there wasn’t a chance of her converting, then I’m not sure I’d be with her but I can’t say that for certain either. I do feel like there is hope, and I’m hanging on to it. In the past, she’s never bashed the Church and has praised certain aspects of it. Then again, she’ll point out things she doesn’t agree with either.
Questions: Are you dating her for who you think she can be in the future or who she actaully is. What happens if she doesn’t meet those exceptions? What is your time timeable? One year…two years…Engagment and then marriage…one kid…two kids??? At what point do you back off?

I know there are many on here who are in mixed marriages and things work out but the key is they are in a MARRIAGE. They owe a responsiblity to their spouse to help them in their faith. You are not attached to this women. Yes you may love her and yes you may see the good qualities that make her a wonderful women and a yes she may be a wonderful christian women and have all the potential to be a wonderful wife BUT there is no guarantee that she is YOUR future spouse. You don’t owe her your life based on your imagination of who she could/will be.

And on another note you are looking at this women and thinking about how to change her to be your perfect spouse. As a women…well that is offensive to me…If my BF looked at me and said i love you and think you be make a great wife but there is this problem with you. Then i would walk out on him because he is not accepting me for who i am. Luckly he saw the potential in me as a person and become friends with me for 3 years before we started dating. He saw the ‘potential’ but never tried to pressure me to change, he left that to the Holy Spirit.

Take the advice of those who have already written. Pray on it.Good Luck to you.
 
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