My H is Married to a Social Misfit

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I’ve been married over 22 years and have two children ages 18 and 20. My H is going into a partnership next year with a man he’s known for 10 years. They also worked for the same company for about 5 years until my H was laid off from that job in 2009. My H has not worked in an office environment since 2003. I have only met this friend twice and I’m not even sure it was twice. I only remember one occasion. Anyway, I don’t know him. He lives several hundred miles from us and my H and he talk on the phone a couple times a month.

(BTW, my H went on to get another job…just to close that gap from the above paragraph).

Well, H’s friend was married years ago. Then he got a divorce. Last year he married. They are both “Catholic” and the friend had originally been married in the Church to the first wife. He looked into seeking an annulment, but thought it was going to take too long and decided not to do it. They were married at a country club instead of a church. I will make no further comment on that because as my H’s says “That’s their business, not yours.” 🤷

H really likes this friend and respects him a great deal. He told me today that when this partnership takes place, we’ll likely be seeing a lot of each other (the 4 of us) and become “close.” I don’t know how this
will be as we live about 300 miles apart, and there won’t be a central office where they are going to be involved. There’s going to be a type of warehouse for product, and H will continue to travel and use the computer and phone like he has for nearly 10 years. The friend will do the same.

I have never met the wife of my H’s friend. As I mentioned I have only met the friend.

But here’s the other thing, if I have to meet them again or spend time … I am completely insecure (to be perfectly honest here :o ) about how I’m going to handle trying to make conversation and not disappoint or embarrass my H.

What I know about the new wife is that she’s about 15 years younger than me, has no children, has a college degree and works in some financial gov’t job. She lives in a city and has spent her twenties doing the “girls night out” type thing … is able to buy clothes and get her hair done. They take vacations and eat out and all that. (And newly married, so that’s another difference with us old married people). She’s also blonde and attractive.

Ok. So there it is. What do I have to bring to the table? I am 45 years old. The days of wearing nice clothes and going places ended years ago. Our financial situation really hit the skids after my H was laid off and even though he got another good job … the economy has changed and what used to be a more than adequate income is no longer. We’ve never taken vacations. We don’t go out. I have two grown children who I homeschooled. I do not have a college degree and have not held a job since 1994.

Do you see a bit of a mismatch here? What on earth does one talk about? I have nothing nice to wear in the event that I end up having to eat dinner out with them. I don’t have any friends and haven’t had any since we moved to a small town over 10 years ago. My parents are dead, I have no siblings…remaining family are scattered all over the place and no one’s close.

How do I handle this situation? I can’t confide in my H because he doesn’t understand and would just think I was complaining. He doesn’t understand any of my concerns about any of this.

I want my H to do well in his career and he’s very excited about having ownership in his own business. But I’ve never been an asset to his career all these years. I haven’t gone on company vacations or Christmas parties because I had to take care of the children and had no one to leave them with. Now, it’s been so many years of being out of interacting with people and I have nothing to offer in terms of things to talk about …

And just for the record. Our kids still live with us. We’re broke and what little money we have is being used to pay bills. Our D uses my car to go to school. Sometimes our son uses my car when the snow’s bad. I cannot go back to school for training at this point. We can’t afford it and I can’t use the car that way. The nearest college that has vocational training is an hour away. We can’t afford that.

As far as a job here…the pop. is 3000. The jobs are menial AND hard to get. There aren’t a lot to go around. Convenience store or waitress jobs are filled. And I only reference this aspect because I’m anticipating the advice of developing a career to make myself interesting to those who are involved in such things.

As it is, I don’t know how I’m supposed to explain my existence at this point. What am I doing with my life and all that. I don’t want to talk about it or anything else.

I just feel like a liability to my H and I know that if I’d been an outgoing bubbly type who was a creative self starter (you know, "work from home’ type or whatever) and had friends etc. that my H would be happier and more successful. But I don’t know how I can change who I am at this late date.

Is there anyway around this scenario? I’m hoping that because of the distance between us and the lack of an office nearby … we may only have to be all together briefly. I know that if I don’t make “friends” with my H’s friends wife, it will limit the involvement of my H and his friend and could like stymie their overall success.

I don’t usually feel lonely about this. But I do worry about the time when the kids are out of the house and if my H passes away because I will be utterly and completely alone with nothing and no one around me.

Does anyone have any practical advice?
 
From one social misfit to another: I hear ya’.

I don’t think I can address everything you mentioned I’ll try a few.

Don’t worry about what you have to wear. Wear whatever is appropriate (or the closest thing) and call it good. Complement her outfit or accessories, especially if you can do so sincerely (“How do you do. Your neclace is lovely!”). If she returns the compliment, receive it graciously. (“Thank you. It’s my favorite dress” (color, whatever). Don’t say “this old thing?”.
I listen more than I speak. Sometimes I’m burning to add something and I don’t get to and that’s okay. Other times I feel put on the spot and I can find an out saying something such as I found their thoughts on the subject interesting and ask a question that is relevant.

The wife may have a degree but in many social situations the women have a more level playing field. It’s the men who play within a heirarchy, i.e. you will rarely find CEOs hanging with the guys in the mailroom or whatever. he might stop and acknowledge them but he won’t mingle long. Social norms have changed so this may vary a bit. Say positive things about your husband and, mention, if you can, something postive about her husband to her. If she talks about her education, vacations, the arts, etc. ask interested questions. Asking questions is a way of getting the focus off of you and people like to talk about themselves. If you are asked about what your do, be honest and don’t belittle it. If you have been a SAHM, say so. If the topic of education comes up, you might say you have thought of going back to school and what for and why you are interested in it. Adjust your attitude and don’t bring judgement about anything, your clothes or their “irregular” marriage, with you. Those are subjects that are making your uncomfortable and you can’t change their relationship and or your wardrobe overnight. Be kind and generous; it’s the beginning of being a good witness.

If people are rude or something, the charitable thing is to pray for them and I ususally second guess myself and wonder if it was them or me. Really try not to care what other people think.
 
Let her talk.

Has she seen latest movie? What did she think of? etc. You don’t need to have seen it. etc. Where has she lived? What do she do at work? etc.

Once you two have broken the ice a bit, perhaps you will discover you both like decorating, or making cakes, or knitting, or changing the oil. Who knows?
 
My advice is to stop beating yourself up and running yourself down.

Your husband married the woman he loved with the characterstics he loved.

I think 1% of your problem is not having much in common with this other woman and 99% of your problem is your opinion of yourself.

My practical advice is to call up Catholic Charities and find a low cost counselor to talk about these feelings with.
 
I know exactly what you mean. I’ve been out of the work force longer than you have, since 1991 when our first son was born. Oh, I did a little substitute teaching over the years, but nothing like a career. I’m 55 now, really too old to start another career but too young to “retire,” )which is like a dirty word to my hubby anyway). Our sons are in college now but I still take care of all the home stuff, pay bills, pay all their bills, take care of the cars, etc. I call it “Operations Manager,” just to myself. LOL

I wear casual clothing most of the time (sometimes, sloppy! :o), don’t get my nails done, don’t have a gym membership, don’t wear a lot of jewelry. I’ve gained about 25 lbs. that I can’t seem to get rid of, but that’s because I haven’t been exercising. I haven’t any serious hobbies (except CAF!). I’m not unhappy with my life, but I also HATE making small talk, which is mostly what these social occasions entail. And it’s not like I can talk about things I do care about, like working to end legal abortion. :eek:

But what I have found is that in social situations, most people want to talk about themselves anyway. So I let them. I don’t drink very much and if they do, it helps keep the focus off me and on them even more. I ask questions, and don’t offer my opinion often (I know, believe it or not!). I have found that the less I speak about ME, the nicer they think I am! 😃

I never got to travel with my husband either. If his career had been dependent on me participating, he’d have been in pretty bad shape…

Hugs and prayers for you!
 

But what I have found is that in social situations, most people want to talk about themselves anyway. So I let them . I don’t drink very much and if they do, it helps keep the focus off me and on them even more. I ask questions, and don’t offer my opinion often (I know, believe it or not!). **I have found that the less I speak about ME, the nicer they think I am! ** 😃
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Brilliant! 👍 👍 👍

That approach has worked for me - when I’ve remembered to do it! Thanks for the reminder 🙂

If I convince myself that I really am interested in the other people, and not just pretending, then I find it works even better, and I can learn something and enjoy the occasion even more.
 
Brilliant! 👍 👍 👍

That approach has worked for me - when I’ve remembered to do it! Thanks for the reminder 🙂

If I convince myself that I really am interested in the other people, and not just pretending, then I find it works even better, and I can learn something and enjoy the occasion even more.
Yep. That, and remind yourself that SAHMs have not only one of the most difficult but one of the most important and noble callings available to mankind.

See if you can find some common ground with hobbies or interests outside work. As has been suggested, it may be asking questions about things you’d like to do rather than things you’ve done (‘you’ve been to Rome? I’d love to go. What did you like best about it?’ - that sort of thing.)
 
Yep. That, and remind yourself that SAHMs have not only one of the most difficult but one of the most important and noble callings available to mankind.

See if you can find some common ground with hobbies or interests outside work. As has been suggested, it may be asking questions about things you’d like to do rather than things you’ve done (‘you’ve been to Rome? I’d love to go. What did you like best about it?’ - that sort of thing.)
This thread is rocking! 😃
 
The other posters have given great advice on the social aspect. I would also add that the Lady of this house is a clothes horse, but buys all of it at thrifts and second hand stores. Quite often the items still have the tags attached. We stop at nearly every one we pass. We don’t always find something for her, so you keep checking back when you are going by. She often puts together a complete new outfit for $10.00 or so and receives compliments on her outfits regularly. No one knows that the clothes were test driven before she got them. It does good things for her confidence to be well dressed, and this allows us to afford it.
 
I was thinking about this situation a little more as I said my prayers last night.

One factor that would be a real problem for me is that the situation appears to be a “trophy” wife for this future business partner. The hubby of the OP has told the OP more or less what happened, and then said, “But that’s none of our business.” Was infidelity involved? Perhaps. Maybe this woman had an affair with the husband before he got a divorce. All of that would go through my mind, and the circumstances would be difficult to put aside when I met them.

I would not like my husband to go into partnership with a man who would leave his wife and marry someone 15 years (or more) his junior. It would make me think that his ethics and morals are questionable at least. Yes, you can judge a man by his actions, and this does not speak very well of that person. Now, granted, I don’t know all of the circumstances, but the OP has enough information to be dangerous. I would really dislike being given just enough information for my mind to make conclusions, but then told, “but it’s none of our business.” Trust me, in a partnership, it’s ALL your business!
 
Would you be interested in starting a business? If you have a hobby or a craft that you like to do, maybe it’s something you could sell?

I have a retired aunt in a small town who had a lot of experience running a household. Through her church she started to run errands and do housework for elderly women – the women were happy, their families are happy to see them cared for, and the extra money supports her. She finds that rewarding and always has a story to tell.

That would give you something to build your self confidence with, and something to earn some extra money with.
 
Thank you all for your helpful replies! I feel much better today than I did when I posted this message as you’ve all given me very good suggestions. I agree that it’s about thinking of the other person and asking questions about them. That makes total sense and in terms of Christian charity it’s absolutely better to be thinking of others first anyway.

The future partner is about 40 now. He was married to his first wife and divorced at least 10 years ago. The primary reason for the divorce was that the wife didn’t want to live in the state they’d moved to and wanted to move back to where all her family and friends were. The new state was where the future partner’s new job was. It sounds like an inadequate reason (and definitely doesn’t meet the Catholic requirement for separation), but knowing what it’s been like for me to move away from everyone and everything I grew up with …and have no friends and no family, I sympathize with this woman’s worries. So, she moved back to their former home state years ago.

Anyway, he was divorced for years … 5-7 years or so … before he met and subsequently married this new woman. And they met in the “new” state that he’d moved to over 10 years ago … and I think it was through some Catholic dating site … but I’m not sure of that.

I like the idea of asking questions and talking about things I’m interested in even if I haven’t been able to do them myself. This also makes me more motivated to get back in shape and also to add some more hobbies to my daily life so I have more to reference. I do read a lot and know a lot about our Faith and culture and current events. But not everyone has that interest … and it can easily lead into the discomforting areas of politics / morals / faith that “polite” society is usually very careful to avoid!
 
Thank you all for your helpful replies! I feel much better today than I did when I posted this message as you’ve all given me very good suggestions. I agree that it’s about thinking of the other person and asking questions about them. That makes total sense and in terms of Christian charity it’s absolutely better to be thinking of others first anyway.

The future partner is about 40 now. He was married to his first wife and divorced at least 10 years ago. The primary reason for the divorce was that the wife didn’t want to live in the state they’d moved to and wanted to move back to where all her family and friends were. The new state was where the future partner’s new job was. It sounds like an inadequate reason (and definitely doesn’t meet the Catholic requirement for separation), but knowing what it’s been like for me to move away from everyone and everything I grew up with …and have no friends and no family, I sympathize with this woman’s worries. So, she moved back to their former home state years ago.

Anyway, he was divorced for years … 5-7 years or so … before he met and subsequently married this new woman. And they met in the “new” state that he’d moved to over 10 years ago … and I think it was through some Catholic dating site … but I’m not sure of that.

I like the idea of asking questions and talking about things I’m interested in even if I haven’t been able to do them myself. This also makes me more motivated to get back in shape and also to add some more hobbies to my daily life so I have more to reference. I do read a lot and know a lot about our Faith and culture and current events. But not everyone has that interest … and it can easily lead into the discomforting areas of politics / morals / faith that “polite” society is usually very careful to avoid!
Yes, when people say to avoid talking about religion and politics, it’s a very wise bit of advice! 😉 Especially in this case, when you know that they married outside the church and you are pretty sure he never got an annulment. “So, what’s it really like, living in adultery?” :eek: NOT a good opening gambit!

Living in a rural area in a small town is terribly isolating. People who have no experience don’t realize how clannish such areas can be. Not all small towns are that way, but by and large, it’s people who have grown up together, at least - sometimes generations of the families have been in that one area. It can be very lonely and hard to break into that society, and that’s even assuming you want to…:o
 
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