My husband not interested in NFP

[mlchance]

SemperJase:

In this matter, or any other I don’ make decisions based on anecdotal evidence.

Unless, of course, those anecdotes confirm your opinion.

SemperJase:

How often must you have children in order not to abuse NFP?

That isn’t the issue. The issue is this: Artificial contraception is always an abuse. It, not NFP, is gravely contrary to natural law and, therefore, always sinful.

– Mark L. Chance.

 

[SemperJase]

mlchance:

Unless, of course, those anecdotes confirm your opinion.

Have I used anecodatal evidence as proof here?

That isn’t the issue.

It is an issue though. If NFP is wrong to use than there is no difference.

How do you know when you are abusing NFP?

 

[mlchance]

SemperJase:

Have I used anecodatal evidence as proof here?

Yep.

SemperJase:

It is an issue though. If NFP is wrong to use than there is no difference.

How do you know when you are abusing NFP?

Again, it isn’t the issue. This thread is about the acceptability of artificial contraception (there is none) and what to do when a spouse forces his or her partner to choose between God’s way and the spouse’s way (there is no choice to be made).

It may be possible to abuse NFP (and if you’d like folks to discuss that, start another thread), but it is not possible to not abuse artificial contraception. NFP is not intrinsically wrong. Artificial contraception is. No one can, under any circumstances, justify artificial contraception.

– Mark L. Chance.

 

[Orionthehunter]

jess7396:

Oh, and to be fair, I should give my side of things too. After hearing from my Dr. the shape my body was in, I planned to have my tubes tied (thinking that the Church must make exceptions for cases like this). Then, after talking to a good priest, I realized we could do nothing, and I was very angry with the Church for a time, but still determined to follow her teachings.

I still can’t say I completely “get it” but I know that the Church leaders know more than I, and so- I follow. Until we understand completely, we are still required to follow the Church’s teachings, for the Church is wiser than we are.

What a beautiful witness of submission and obedience. To me, it is easy for me to follow the Church when I understand and agree. The real rubber meets the road when we follow when we don’t understand or agree. God Bless You.

 

[Deicolus]

So your husband doesn’t get into the “nitty gritty” of religion? Well, I’d pray for him to be led by the Holy Spirit, his eyes and mind opened to the “nitty gritty” of religion. After all, this is not some kid game where you go on Sunday, play church-goer, go through the motions of the Divine Liturgy and not having the slightest idea of what any of it means, then leaving the church as fast as possible so you can get home and watch football. (i’m not saying your husband does that, but I know so many who do).

Before being regenerated by the Holy Spirit I was the same way. I thought, well, I have to go to church today. Darn, I’ll miss the first NFL game of the day, but I better cover my bases in case this stuff is true. Then, bang, sorta of like the Apostle Paul. I had a complete turn around. Now, I can’t WAIT to get to church. I can’t get enough. There is so much to read, and so little time.
Christianity is about the nitty gritty of DOCTRINE, and prayer, and unless your faith is the most important thing in your life, you have a serious problem. Christianity is not a Sunday only if I have to thing, it’s a WAY OF LIFE. Forget the world and all the politics and junk and get Christ-centered. Like Paul said “I glory in nothing but the Cross.” Also, and listen to him, he said “it is not I who lives, but it is Christ who lives in me.”

For those people that think they are blessing God with their presence at the Divine Liturgy, I have news for them. Church isn’t to see what you can do for God, but it is strictly to WORSHIP the Sovereign Ruler of the Universe. I see people coming in late, leaving before the last song, staring at the ceiling, falling asleep, eyes rolling around in their head during the homily, etc. I can only pity that type of pathetic behavior. It shows that person is clueless as to what Christianity is all about.

Oh, NFP or nothing!!!

 

[Hatter]

My husband is just like the original posters, he is Lutheran and not very spiritual at that. 13 years ago when we met I was fallen away from the Catholic church and from God so I married a man who had the spiritual level of a child and since at that time I was not myself putting God first, gosh, oh, I could write a book
Anyways, long story short, I did find my way back to God fairly quickly, as I was brought up in a very strong Catholic family and I firmly believe that when you are brought up knowing right from wrong, it is very hard to stay away from God when he is calling you back, when I had my first child 12 years ago, I fell to my knees and confessed all my sins and thanked God for this awesome blessing, my daughter saved me
Well, my husband is a great guy, hard worker, good dad, great husband and he does frequently go to mass with me and our four kids but he still does not “get it” and he may never “get it”
If I was to do it all over again, I would have married a man with my same values and a Catholic who lived his Catholic faith, but I didn’t and 13 years ago I was not living my faith.
So, each day, I take lemons and make lemonade, I pray many times a day for my husband and have asked my family to hold him up in prayer that one day in this life he may become Catholic and accept all the Catholic teachings. I don’t know when that will be and because he would not consider NFP at all and it was a severe danger for me to have any more children, I had my tubes tied 2 years ago, for awhile, I actually blamed my husband in my mind for not loving me enough to practice NFP or abstince but he would not and the doctor said NO MORE KIDS, if my husband would have said NFP all the way and followed it with me to a T, I never ever would have tied my tubes but he refused and I felt very cornered and scared. I have let go of my anger though, I’ve confessed my sins and I just keep praying each and every day for my husband, we have four kids and they need both of us and if by the grace of God my husband would ever change his heart, I would gladly have a tubal reversal so we could practice NFP.
It is a daily struggle, Daily!!! But, I have to give it to God each and every day, I know that God knows my heart and my struggle, I feel very much that God wants me to stay with my husband and I just feel very deeply that my husband is going to change someday, I don’t know when, but I will never give up.
Peace to you.

I’m sorry to hear that you’ve had so much trouble! Marriage isn’t always an easy road to take.

I was just wondering about you having to “tie your tubes” so to say. Wouldn’t it have been a whole lot easier if he’d got himself snipped? It is a MUCH easier operation on a man, and also less painful. I’m just wondering why you were the one that had to suffer?

 

[kentuckyliz]

Agree. Him getting himself neutered would not violate his conscience and be a sin; him making you ??? get spayed violates your conscience and makes you sin. That’s cruel. This is supposed to be something good to save your relationship?

Ah well, it is done. I hope you are not experiencing the increased pain and cramping that female sterilization causes about half who undergo it. If you do, consider it a mortification and offer it up for your husband’s salvation.