my husband wants to look into islam

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Long story, but here it the short version. My husband is not looking to convert (or “revert” to islam) however, he wants to check it out, based on his very shallow reason, that he works with some nice muslims.

I need help.
 
Check it out as in what? Read about it?
He already has about 8 or more books on the subject. He is getting invitations to go to mosque. He expects me to go with him, with our child since he has attended mass with me.
I am so against this, but I need to compose myself first and give him an arsenal of soild logical and factual reasons for him to not drag us with him, and for him to stop and think first.
 
He already has about 8 or more books on the subject. He is getting invitations to go to mosque. He expects me to go with him, with our child since he has attended mass with me.
I am so against this, but I need to compose myself first and give him an arsenal of soild logical and factual reasons for him to not drag us with him, and for him to stop and think first.
Are you a Catholic? Your profile indicates otherwise :confused:

Does your husband have a religion already? If so is he observant?
 
I may just pop in now and then to check replies because he just got in the door. So, if I am online and replying to other threads, but not this one, that is why. I have to check this thread when he does not see me doing it.😊 I know, I am sneaky.😦
 
Are you a Catholic? Your profile indicates otherwise :confused:

Does your husband have a religion already? If so is he observant?
I am not a catholic yet. I am not a christian yet. I am not baptised.
I wish to be catholic, another long story.
He is an atheist, as I was.
 
I am not a catholic yet. I am not a christian yet. I am not baptised.
I wish to be catholic, another long story.
He is an atheist, as I was.
I see. Hmm this is a difficult situation. You seem to have ‘‘picked’’ your religion, and it is a religion that doesn’t allow ‘‘church hopping’’, does he expect you to participate in the prayers etc?

But if I might just say praise God and congratulations that you are coming to Catholicism!
 
Go to

www.jihad.org

And read what’s there.

We’re not talking about “nice people” here, but truth.

I bear witness there is NO GOD but Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and Jesus is God Incarnate risen from the dead!
 
Long story, but here it the short version. My husband is not looking to convert (or “revert” to islam) however, he wants to check it out, based on his very shallow reason, that he works with some nice muslims.

I need help.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE start reading yourself about islam and find out that you are condemning yourself and your children to barbary. Muslims DEMAND that the children are brought up as muslims if the father is a muslim. Please do not condemn your children to islam! That facade of ‘niceness’ is only a facade. They are following a guy who was a very, bad guy.

Go into my posts and read backwards on some of the ones that I have posted. I have posted many on mohammed, and islam. The allah they worship is only whatever mohammed made it into and mohammed had a LOT of character flaws! (that is really an understatement!)

Some books besides the koran, and hadiths that I have posted:

-Religion of Peace? Why Christianity Is and islam Isn’t

-Politically Incorrect guide to Islam and The Sword of the Prophet, Islam (these books are similar
-From Time Immemorial
-While Europe Slept and/or Menace in Europe and/or Eurasia (these books are similar
-Myth of Islamic Tolerance
-The Revenge of The Prophet
-The Legacy of Jihad
-Terrorist Hunter (great book to see what a lone woman is doing to fight terrorism
-Because They Hate (great book for what is/has happened in Lebanon since 1970
-Now They Call Me Infidel (an insight into Egyptian life and also the author’s father was a shaheed - martyr - basically a guy who killed Jews and ended out dying. Also an insight into polygamy and WHY IT IS DISGUSTING! but more importantly how it destabilizes your children and yourself)
-Religion of Peace? islam’s War Agains The World
-The Truth About mohammed
-The Life and Religion of mohammed
-Understanding muhammad, A Psychobiography
-A Never Ending War - great book
-What Everyone Should Know About the Qur’an
-Understanding muhammad, A Psychobiography

Go to www.faithfreedom.org and find about it too!

There are many more, but they are doing what they do best - deceiving you as to what islam is all about! It is taqiyya (they ALL deny that too! It means deception and they will say that it is what the other sect of islam does - they ALL do it!)

mohammed had to redefine sin because he broke the 10 Commandments. He is NOT a prophet (go back about 10 posts and you will find my post on that.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT CONVERT!
 
I am not condemning my child or myself or anyone to islam.

🤷

It’s not a logical faith to follow.

And, I can pray with anyone who prays to God. Jews, or muslims.
But, I “chose” the Triune God. This means, Islam is not a place I can take my child to at this early stage, she is only 5.

I need to find a way, some way to use logic here or he will say I am being unfair imposing the Triune God, and the catholic church on top of it. He is in discussion with “my” good priest.
He has tried so hard to be as helpful with my conversion attempt.
But, he either is testing me- or he is simply missing the point.

I need to wait until thursday until my priest will be back in town. He is retired. And, my husband agreed to our 2wice a month meeting with him at that time (friday). In the meantime, I need to prepare.

My first thought is what can islam offer?

We pray ANYTIME we want. Not just on friday, or specific times.
We give alms.
We, believe in good to widows, and so much. What did islam offer? I say nothing. But, I can’t present it that way, because that is sort of insulting.
 
I am not a catholic yet. I am not a christian yet. I am not baptised.
I wish to be catholic, another long story.
He is an atheist, as I was.
It seems that it is a easy hop from atheism to islam. I don’t know why but it is happening in Europe too. The god of mohammed IS NOT the God of Israel. It is mostly of what mohammed wanted it to be, but mostly all the rites and the base beliefs of mohammed were pagan - Hanif. It is a fallacy that they are an ‘Abrahamic’ religion - they are a fascism! It is the mentality of ‘either you are with us or you are against us’ which is the same as communism.

Start reading the violence done worldwide by muslims against not only Christians and Jews, but also Hindus, Buddhists, and others of other religions. They successfully have wiped out Zorastrians in the Middle East and have driven our Jews and Christians.

www.jihadwatch.org is where I get my daily news of what muslims do worldwide. There is NO difference between ‘moderate’ and ‘radical’ muslims, or islam! Those are only terms that the left in Europe and our country invented, as they created the word, ‘islamofascism’ and ‘islamophobe’. (they are great with the name calling!)

Muslim charity is giving money to jihadist.

And here is a very important website to show you that jihad is the core of islam as the Resurrection of Christ is to Christianity. See how they twist evil acts into goodness. It is all very warped.

Centrality of jihad in islam

Italian writer Oriana Fallaci, said: “A moderate Islam does not exist. It does not exist because there is no difference between Good Islam and Bad Islam. There is Islam and that it the end of it. Islam is the Koran, and nothing other than the Koran.“
(Oriana Fallaci”The Force of Reason” post-script page 305 February 2006)]
 
I see. Hmm this is a difficult situation. You seem to have ‘‘picked’’ your religion, and it is a religion that doesn’t allow ‘‘church hopping’’, does he expect you to participate in the prayers etc?

But if I might just say praise God and congratulations that you are coming to Catholicism!
🙂

Thank you so much. Its not easy for me because he freaked out about a declaration of nullity and all of the other things…

But, I have since that time found out a few things that have certainly taken his fears away quite a bit.🙂

Its not easy as it is. But he really threw a new weight on my shoulders now.

I am doing this, not just for me but for my child mostly. And, if God wills it, he will take me too.
 
Neither faith is compatable with the other.

There are issues with Islam that I see as being problematic.

First, the “all knowing” Allah got information wrong about what Christians beleive and about the Crucifixion of Christ.

Second, the 'all knowing" Allah got information wrong that is contained in the Bible.

Third, the “all powerful” Allah took an oath upon different things, including Muhammed and parts of creation, making himself subject to these things.

Forth, Islam seems to be difficult to mesh with modern American government. We have even had Muslim posters on this site say that they want to replace the Constitution with Islamic Law.

Fifth, the understanding that we are slaves and Allah is the Master is an issue with me. A slave only exists to serve his master, and a master NEVER truly loves his slave.

Finally, Muslim ruled lands seem to be exceptionally backwards in education and human rights, even if economically they are rich. I cannot explain how that can be the case, unless Islam is the inhibitor.

Those are the big ones. I can site others, but they are not as glaring to me as these.
 
I am not condemning my child or myself or anyone to islam.

🤷

It’s not a logical faith to follow.

And, I can pray with anyone who prays to God. Jews, or muslims.
But, I “chose” the Triune God. This means, Islam is not a place I can take my child to at this early stage, she is only 5.

I need to find a way, some way to use logic here or he will say I am being unfair imposing the Triune God, and the catholic church on top of it. He is in discussion with “my” good priest.
He has tried so hard to be as helpful with my conversion attempt.
But, he either is testing me- or he is simply missing the point.

I need to wait until thursday until my priest will be back in town. He is retired. And, my husband agreed to our 2wice a month meeting with him at that time (friday). In the meantime, I need to prepare.

My first thought is what can islam offer?

We pray ANYTIME we want. Not just on friday, or specific times.
We give alms.
We, believe in good to widows, and so much. What did islam offer? I say nothing. But, I can’t present it that way, because that is sort of insulting.
Yeah, I understand. islam’s charity, as I stated previously, is to jihadists that is why so many of their charities have been shut down. And they pop up all the time, and are probably funneling money without our government’s knowledge now.

islam still has slavery, and in the countries where that is practiced openly (they have caught some here in the USA and are now sitting in prison), they cast off slaves. The muslims will toss alms at them - but they do nothing about stopping the slave trade.

The saudis had signed a treaty to stop it - but no treaty with non-muslims are to be honored longer than 10 years and are to be broken when they feel like it (that is why no treaty with Israel has been longer than a few weeks - most are broken the next day).

Most treaties are to stop their aggression, but it applies to all agreements between muslims and non-muslims.

They twist the meaning of words too. Innocent, aggressor, oppressor, peace (only death/conversion/subjugation are what they accept as peace with non-muslims), etc are different from what we think of them as.

here is a list:

peace - death, conversion or subjugation (dhimmittude) for infidels
**peace treaty **- can only last for 10 years and is to be broken at anytime when the muslims are rearmed/regrouped
aggressor - only infidels are aggressors. Any actions (violent) by muslims is their right per the koran
oppressor - only infidels are oppressors if they do not allow themselves to be subjugated by muslims/sharia law
(modern day) Crusader, or islamophobes - Christians who figured out what islam is all about and are telling others the facts of islam
honor - following the koran’s teaching on this - and if it includes beating, raping, stoning, hanging, enslavement, - that is ok - it is what the koran says to do and it is considered an honor for women to endure these actions.
Innocent - only muslims are innocent. No infidel is considered to be innocent.
Attack - no infidel is to attack a muslim. If/when they do such an arrogant thing then no matter what muslims have done, are doing, to them - they attack first.
deportation - sending out their saudi trained jihadists.
persecution - us not letting them practice their ‘religion’ and subjugate or kill us. us telling the truth about islam and us telling them to keep their ‘religion’ to themselves and stop pushing it down our throats.
martyr - those who die while trying to kill non-muslims

I guess I could go on forever why no one should convert to islam. Here is the one word that is very important of what the muslims are doing to your husband: da’wa

Definition: In Islam, da’wa means a “call” or “invitation,” and has been used to refer to a person being “called” to follow Islam. However, it has developed into the idea of a “mission” or “propaganda,” either in a political or religious sense.
Actually Da’wa is considered to be some type of “Jihad” its called “The Word Jihad” (aka Jihad Alkalema) , per (Quran 25:52) and the instructions of Muhammed in this Hadith:

islam is all invasive - it controls not only the politics of muslims, their ‘religion’, but also their potty behavior, their behavior towards women, their behavior in sex, etc.
 
Okay, maybe I was not clear. I am not talking about muslims today. I am talking about the nuts and bolts of the islamic faith before it became what it is now.
In either case, I reject both.
But, for now lets focus on the actual tenents of the islamic faith that are simply not enough to convince me its logical.
 
Okay, maybe I was not clear. I am not talking about muslims today. I am talking about the nuts and bolts of the islamic faith before it became what it is now.
In either case, I reject both.
But, for now lets focus on the actual tenents of the islamic faith that are simply not enough to convince me its logical.
Are they similar to any of the points that I made on mine?
 
Ralphinal,

I missed your post…😊
Being sneaky has its downside.

I will think about how to present this to him in a way that can get his attention.🙂

You are very correct on several points he will even say :eek:
Neither faith is compatable with the other.

There are issues with Islam that I see as being problematic.

First, the “all knowing” Allah got information wrong about what Christians beleive and about the Crucifixion of Christ.

Second, the 'all knowing" Allah got information wrong that is contained in the Bible.

Third, the “all powerful” Allah took an oath upon different things, including Muhammed and parts of creation, making himself subject to these things.

Forth, Islam seems to be difficult to mesh with modern American government. We have even had Muslim posters on this site say that they want to replace the Constitution with Islamic Law.

Fifth, the understanding that we are slaves and Allah is the Master is an issue with me. A slave only exists to serve his master, and a master NEVER truly loves his slave.

Finally, Muslim ruled lands seem to be exceptionally backwards in education and human rights, even if economically they are rich. I cannot explain how that can be the case, unless Islam is the inhibitor.

Those are the big ones. I can site others, but they are not as glaring to me as these.
 
Ralphinal,

I missed your post…😊
Being sneaky has its downside.

I will think about how to present this to him in a way that can get his attention.🙂

You are very correct on several points he will even say :eek:
Thanks.

To me, Buddhism has more going for it than ISlam.
 
Okay, maybe I was not clear. I am not talking about muslims today. I am talking about the nuts and bolts of the islamic faith before it became what it is now.
In either case, I reject both.
But, for now lets focus on the actual tenents of the islamic faith that are simply not enough to convince me its logical.
There isn’t much to it. mohammed declared himself a prophet and allah is what mohammed said it was. Say prayers, fast, pay the tax, pilgrimage to Mecca and worship that black stone - kiss it, snort, spit, run around it, and throw some rocks at the devil and then run to the next rock. Do whatever the clerics tell you to do and never ask any questions.

I haven’t found anything theological about it. BUT!! The things I have written ARE islam. It is not a religion that lends itself to mental growth, but instead only focuses on the physical.
 
Thanks.

To me, Buddhism has more going for it than ISlam.
Agreed.
It was around much longer. In fact, I am happy he did not tell me that he wanted to investigate that. I would have a harder time with that problem.

The only thing that I can off the top of my head think of was that Buhddists tend to not like pain or suffering.

!

(think prosperity gospel, and how everything “old” is new again:( )
 
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