My impressions of a mega-church.

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For the first time I had the experience of touring one of these non-denominational “mega-churches” I used to hear about back east. I had never seen one but had heard that the seating is like a movie-theater and that they sell coffee at concession stands. I wouldn’t have believed it, but I saw one a couple of weeks ago and was fascinated by it.

There is a gym with a full-blown YMCA-like program, a nursery about ten rooms large, and reception rooms like you find in a hotel. They open their programs to the public, and are very nice.
There is over a DOZEN senior pastors, not including all the assistants.

Now I want to say first that these generous people lent our group an entire wing to meet in for nothing. They have been very gracious to us. ( I don’t know if they realize that we are Catholic).

However, I was taken aback. This is a church? There was a Scripture verse written on the front, and a skinny little cross positioned somewhere on the premises. Other than that, there was not one religious image. (Just a campy mural of a cartoon Jesus playing with cartoon kids in the nursery.) The “sanctuary” is a gray and black auditorium with a full band on stage and a big screen. No altar, no candles, nothing that would indicate that this is a Christian church. I assume from the Protestant services I have attended that they mostly play music and listen to preaching.

I’m sorry, but even when I doubted my Catholic faith, I would have felt offended by such a thing. That is no church. It is a community center! Yet, from those who attend these types of churches, they love it, and feel it is their home.

I realize that all the trappings do not give us our salvation. One would think, however, that a “biblical” church would at least try to look like a synagoge But, I get the feeling that there is an effort to avoid religious imagery. It is all so sterile and utilitarian.

I am beginning to understand the idea behind the icons, the candles, the incense, all the beauty. If only they had all that, with the beautiful imagery and holy objects. I would have been in heaven. Why can’t we Catholics have that level of community with the rest of our traditions? It would be great.
 
I am beginning to understand the idea behind the icons, the candles, the incense, all the beauty. If only they had all that, with the beautiful imagery and holy objects. I would have been in heaven. Why can’t we Catholics have that level of community with the rest of our traditions? It would be great.
Mega-churches differ. There are many mega-churches, in the South, for instance, that actually do have sizable crosses, votary candles, and even icons. (Incense? I haven’t seen that yet, but it would fit right in, I would think.) Some mega-churches are adopting some Catholic trappings. But, even then, when I took my Catholic girlfriend to that church, she didn’t feel as if it was a ‘real’ church. There was no deep ‘holy’ aspect.

I hear that the next big thing is having ATMs inside the church, where people can swipe their cards and automatically donate money to the church.😃
 
LOL, I can only imagine what you went through.

What you said reminds me of a Journey Home episode where the guest who was a revert used to attend a Mega-Church. One day the guest brought his Catholic father to the MC and the father walked in and was stunned that this was a church, the only words that came out of his mouth were “where is the cross in this joint?”…😃
 
“I hear that the next big thing is having ATMs inside the church, where people can swipe their cards and automatically donate money to the church.”

I beleive the representative was talking about that very thing! Somehow, it seems disrespectful.
 
Why can’t we Catholics have that level of community with the rest of our traditions? It would be great.
How involved are you in your parish? My parish has a great community.

If your parish is lacking in community, do something about it.
 
You misunderstood my question. I wasn’t speaking for myself, but us Catholics in general.

My church is lacking space. It is lacking a YMCA gym. It is lacking ping-pong tournaments, bible studies with one to two hundred people. It is lacking money. What do these people have that we don’t (besides the obvious), and why don’t we have the level of involvement these churches have? 🤷
 
You misunderstood my question. I wasn’t speaking for myself, but us Catholics in general.

My church is lacking space. It is lacking a YMCA gym. It is lacking ping-pong tournaments, bible studies with one to two hundred people. It is lacking money. What do these people have that we don’t (besides the obvious), and why don’t we have the level of involvement these churches have? 🤷
Church isnt about size, money, gyms or tournaments, that is a great distortion of what Christian fellowship is about. It is about gathering to worship God in a calm and collected manner. Many mainline Protestant services are centered around “fun” and entertainment and materialism, that is not the way things should be.

As for the “bible studies”, it all depends on the level of study. The fact is most protestant theology doesnt go beyond surface level taking a verse from here and there…it isnt really “study”.
 
You misunderstood my question. I wasn’t speaking for myself, but us Catholics in general.

My church is lacking space. It is lacking a YMCA gym. It is lacking ping-pong tournaments, bible studies with one to two hundred people. It is lacking money. What do these people have that we don’t (besides the obvious), and why don’t we have the level of involvement these churches have? 🤷
Then why don’t you start something. My parish has a yearly carnival, monthly men’s breakfast, church trips to sporting events, dances for all ages, Friday fish fry during Lent, Bible Study classes, Marriage Ministry, choir, coffee & donuts after every Sunday mass, etc.

And these are all started from people that had certain Catholic things they wanted to accomplish, i.e. Bible study, marriage ministry. But essential to all, was to build a sense of community.

Jesus was all about action. Follow His example.
 
We don’t need another mega-church.

We got one. The Catholic Church ! 😃
 
You misunderstood my question. I wasn’t speaking for myself, but us Catholics in general.

My church is lacking space. It is lacking a YMCA gym. It is lacking ping-pong tournaments, bible studies with one to two hundred people. It is lacking money. What do these people have that we don’t (besides the obvious), and why don’t we have the level of involvement these churches have? 🤷
I am put off by this constant harping about “community.” Community is not about “busyness”, are we coming together to worship God in the Mass and in prayer, or must we constantly be involved in some sort of activity. In the old days, "community meant the various sodalities, the Holy Name society and the Kof C for the men, the Altar society for the women and things for the kids to do. A fund-raiser carnival in the summer and bingo in the winter. People got together because it was important to worship and to play together. But, the kind of frenetic activity that goes on in a lot of parishes in the name of “community” just kinda puts me off. This kind of urgency has slopped over into our worship, where we are not permitted to have many quiet moments either before, during or after Mass to speak and listen to Our Lord. Something has just gotta be going on all the time. The prots are the same way. Seems like they just MUST fill up the time with some kind of activity and make sure that EVERYBODY participates, regardless. 'Sides, I dislike mega-churches intensely, they remind me of Wal-Mart.
 
As for the “bible studies”, it all depends on the level of study. The fact is most protestant theology doesnt go beyond surface level taking a verse from here and there…it isnt really “study”.
That’s pretty bigoted. Can you back that up with some factual evidence?
 
We don’t need another mega-church.

We got one. The Catholic Church ! 😃
What is it now? 1.1 billion people? Thats not even counting the billions who have finished their fight and now pray for those still here…I think their “mega churches” pale in comparison :cool:
 
I have to comment because my mother in law worked in the finance department of an up and coming mega-church in Southern California. What she told me made my blood boil. The head pastor and his associates were adored by their congregations. They gave inspiring sermons, they organized a lot of “stuff” to do as a community. However, my mother in law, being in the administrative department, was able to see behind the scenes. Basically the head pastor was only interested in building the largest mega-church he could. But it wasn’t so he could reach masses and save their souls. No, rather, he had an intense desire to be as big as Saddleback and, no doubt, as famous as Rick Warren. EVERYTHING was about the money and how to generate more of it. :mad:
 
Before I converted to the Catholic faith, I was a Methodist. At one point about 15 years ago, I started attending a new Methodist church which was just starting up. The pastor admitted from the start that he had aspirations of making this into a mega-church, and I found the direction that things were going to be a total turn-off. The “worship” service became little more than religiously-based entertainment, and as things progressed, the congregational involvement during the service became less and less. Eventually, it seemed that all we did was sit there passively as the drama-team, praise dancers, and praise band put on their show, followed by a “message” from the pastor and then more entertainment. One thing I have always hated is the projection screen with the PowerPoint shows, and this church was one of the first to hop on that bandwagon. Ugh! The best thing I can say about that church is that the choir was really good, one of the best I’ve sung with. But I couldn’t take the passive entertainment thing anymore and transferred to a different Methodist church in town which was more traditional in its style of worship. In the meantime, the newer church built a fancy complex with a gym and other amenities, and has already outgrown that (it’s for sale for $3.3 million if anybody is interested). They are wanting to build an even bigger complex in the near future. They have dropped the “Methodist” from their name, and their website shows lots of activities for all ages, ranging from golf and softball to crafts to you-name-it. And that has what to do with the Gospel of our Lord??? If this works for those people, good for them, but I couldn’t get out of there fast enough. And five years later, I was in RCIA. It’s nice to sit in my parish church and see a tasteful wooden crucifix instead of the ugly projection screen, and to assist at Mass rather than to sit and watch others put on their religious dog-and-pony show.
 
But it wasn’t so he could reach masses and save their souls. No, rather, he had an intense desire to be as big as Saddleback and, no doubt, as famous as Rick Warren. EVERYTHING was about the money and how to generate more of it. :mad:
Oh gag. That sounds just like the pastor at the church I mentioned in my previous post. One time they put on a fancy banquet for the congregation which was really a manipulative attempt to try to get us to give tons of money toward the new building. They were looking for an appropriate hymn for everyone to sing at the beginning of the banquet. My suggestion was, “Jesus Paid It All.” 😉 They laughed at that…and thought I was kidding!
 
Oh gag. That sounds just like the pastor at the church I mentioned in my previous post. One time they put on a fancy banquet for the congregation which was really a manipulative attempt to try to get us to give tons of money toward the new building. They were looking for an appropriate hymn for everyone to sing at the beginning of the banquet. My suggestion was, “Jesus Paid It All.” 😉 They laughed at that…and thought I was kidding!
Yowsa. So, what do you think draws people to these places? Wholesome fun and fellowship? Okay, but how is it people who attend those churches think they are worshipping the Lord the way he wants it? How is it they don’t see thorugh this stuff? Obviously, some of these people are professionals who make a lot of money, so it’s not just simple people who don’t know better.

I know many people who attend these types of places, and they are sincere in their desire to serve the Lord. Many of them DO more than any Catholic, for all their talk of works not saving us. They seem way more eager to show themselves as the most productive. It’s an interesting paradox. They chide us for “works”, but they are the ones doing work. Look at all the missionary work they do. They leave us in the dust.
 
I think we shouldn’t judge the “spirituality” of non-Catholic ecclesial communities just because we dislike “entertainment.”

We have a large megachurch in our city, a Willowcreek church plant. It has the DVDs, Powerpoint, band, drama, etc. that so many of us dislike.

But when Katrina/Rita destroyed our Southern cities, it was THIS megachurch that rose to the occasion. They organized a massive relief and assistance effort, and many churches in the community, including our 7000-member Catholic parish, jumped on board and helped them out.

It was inspiring and beautiful to watch and take part in.

Their “mega-ness” made it possible for them to do this because they had many thousands of people and many millions of dollars, and a low overhead due to those DVDs and Powerpoints and volunteer bands/drama teams.

The Bible says that the ones who follow the commandments of Christ are the ones that He loves. It seems to me that God must love this church, because they fed the hungry, gave to the poor, clothed the naked, comforted the sick, etc. And they didn’t just do it with money, they did it with time, talent, and people.
 
Yowsa. So, what do you think draws people to these places? Wholesome fun and fellowship? Okay, but how is it people who attend those churches think they are worshipping the Lord the way he wants it?
These “happy clappy” churches are very non-threatening, and that aspect draws a lot of people. They have a “come as you are” feel to them, not only in what you wear but where you are in life, even if you are living an “alternative lifestyle.” The messages are positive and upbeat. If a person is on shaky ground spiritually, they are more likely to feel comfortable in a place where they feel accepted as-is, are pleasantly entertained, and don’t have to actively participate in the service. They can join one of the small groups for study or activities as desired, or skip this part if it doesn’t appeal to them. The abundance of social activities gives them a feeling a fellowship and belonging.

Now think of this same person coming to Mass and not knowing the responses, starting out the service with everyone admitting their sinfulness, and being told to abstain from communion. Until this person understands WHY we do the things we do, is it any wonder that they might be more comfortable in a church which doesn’t do things this way?

In my case, the services seemed to get more and more superficial as they tried to appeal to a wider audience, and I was hungry for more. It felt more like a religiously-themed social club than a place of worship, and that was one of the main reasons I left. That being said, though, this wanna-be mega-church does have some strong community involvement in charitable works and has some good programs for youth, keeping them involved in wholesome activities and off the streets. There are many good things to be said about this church, but it just wasn’t for me as I grew in my journey of faith. And interestingly, one of my choir-buddies from this very same church also went through RCIA and became Catholic. Hmmm… 👍
 
The church is not a building ,it is the body of all true believers
 
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