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miguel
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Absolutely.
Yes other bad things do happen. But nothing as bad 40 million murdered babies. And it won’t end if people keep voting for the scoundrels who are determined to keep it going. To do so is to participate in the evil. And this participation won’t go unpunished. Not if there is a God in heaven.
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Jeffrey
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Just speaking for myself of course… but I will vote pro-life over everything else.
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migurl
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:banghead: So, the wholw 9/11 thing didn’t happen,right? So, it must have been some propaganda stunt, the 4planes full of civilians didn’t really get hijacked and crashed into, the pentagon, the World Trade Center or a field in pennsylvannia?? And GWB does not support abortion. there is a difference between not being able to appoint a pro-life judge in the supreme court because none of the democrats will let it happen and then fully supporting abortion verbally, fincailly ll the while proclaiming to be catholic. Is that clearer for you??
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Lizbert
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It doesn’t matter if the candidate is Republican, Democrat or whatever; If they aren’t against abortion then you can’t in good conscience vote for them. We go through this before every election. Trying to figure out if the candidate is against abortion is sometimes hard to discern.
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That’s it. but there’re 5 non-negotiable issue. On which issue Kerry did the right thing?
so far no one on the other side can make a proper point against this:
lifesite.net/ldn/2005/oct/05100602.html
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YADA
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Reading through the threads I have some thoughts, my 2 cents, as it were.
The statistic about abortion rates under Clinton V Bush are menaingless. Abortions are not going up since Bsh was elected. This statistic that gets thrown around is based on “reported data” They change the criteria for how, what and what abortions get counted, etc. Some states stopped reporting, some states only collect data that is submitted voluntarily by planned parenthood, etc. I do not have the link for the information at hand but given some time I could getit. Our repsect Life Group did some research on this when our Prish Priest used it at a meeting once, he has since apologized for promoting the Pro choice line.
Proportionate: In this country the death penalty us used rarely. It gets great headlines but for the murder rate, conviction rate, and all of the various sentences handed out the death penalty is rarely imposed and even carried out less often. Something alont eh 100 to 150 times each year on the worst years (By the way I am not pro death penalty) Abortion is the deliberate murder of 4000 infant children each day in America. Proportionate: Abortion 1,460,000 / year Death Penalty 150 / year. I’ll leave the proportionality to you.
Conscience does not equal Opinion, the sad state of education in America leaves many confused on this issue. It also does not equate with “I feel that…” Or “I think that…” We must form our conscience in accordance with the teachings of the Church. Pope John Paul II said that you could not fight for other basic social, human rights if the right to life was not first protected. Again I apologize for paraphrasing but I know from extensive reading of the Holy Father’s writings that the sin of abortion and those who support it weighed heavily on the PROPORTIONATE side of the equation.
As to Mr. Bush and his Supreme Court appointees. He could ask them point blank if they would overturn Roe V Wade, they answer Yes, he appoints ant they vote to uphold Roe. Would that be Bush’s fault or theirs? I think Bush has a hard job that is clearly between the perverbial Rock & Hard Place.
How will the Democrats for Life (God Bless Them!) reduce abortions by 95% when we cannot get any meaningful support by the democrats for parental notification laws, late term abortion bans or the only abortions allowed being in the case of the ***Life ***(not Health) of the Mother or in cases of ***Rape & Incest. ***That would reduce the numbers of abortions significantly but the democratic party besides having a Pro Abortion Plank will never allow any of these limitations. They are in fact and deed pro abortion on demand from conception to all but the head delivered.
On Margaret Sangar, friend of Hitler, mother of Planned parenthood. My mother always told me that you should look from whence things come, look at the fruit that it bears and base your judgement. Margret Sangar’s movement was built upon bigotry and hatered, death and destruction. That she was able to repackage her macabre plan from its Eugenic roots to a “Choice” is purely diabolical, IMHO but I want no part of that history.
Pax Christe
The statistic about abortion rates under Clinton V Bush are menaingless. Abortions are not going up since Bsh was elected. This statistic that gets thrown around is based on “reported data” They change the criteria for how, what and what abortions get counted, etc. Some states stopped reporting, some states only collect data that is submitted voluntarily by planned parenthood, etc. I do not have the link for the information at hand but given some time I could getit. Our repsect Life Group did some research on this when our Prish Priest used it at a meeting once, he has since apologized for promoting the Pro choice line.
Proportionate: In this country the death penalty us used rarely. It gets great headlines but for the murder rate, conviction rate, and all of the various sentences handed out the death penalty is rarely imposed and even carried out less often. Something alont eh 100 to 150 times each year on the worst years (By the way I am not pro death penalty) Abortion is the deliberate murder of 4000 infant children each day in America. Proportionate: Abortion 1,460,000 / year Death Penalty 150 / year. I’ll leave the proportionality to you.
Conscience does not equal Opinion, the sad state of education in America leaves many confused on this issue. It also does not equate with “I feel that…” Or “I think that…” We must form our conscience in accordance with the teachings of the Church. Pope John Paul II said that you could not fight for other basic social, human rights if the right to life was not first protected. Again I apologize for paraphrasing but I know from extensive reading of the Holy Father’s writings that the sin of abortion and those who support it weighed heavily on the PROPORTIONATE side of the equation.
As to Mr. Bush and his Supreme Court appointees. He could ask them point blank if they would overturn Roe V Wade, they answer Yes, he appoints ant they vote to uphold Roe. Would that be Bush’s fault or theirs? I think Bush has a hard job that is clearly between the perverbial Rock & Hard Place.
How will the Democrats for Life (God Bless Them!) reduce abortions by 95% when we cannot get any meaningful support by the democrats for parental notification laws, late term abortion bans or the only abortions allowed being in the case of the ***Life ***(not Health) of the Mother or in cases of ***Rape & Incest. ***That would reduce the numbers of abortions significantly but the democratic party besides having a Pro Abortion Plank will never allow any of these limitations. They are in fact and deed pro abortion on demand from conception to all but the head delivered.
On Margaret Sangar, friend of Hitler, mother of Planned parenthood. My mother always told me that you should look from whence things come, look at the fruit that it bears and base your judgement. Margret Sangar’s movement was built upon bigotry and hatered, death and destruction. That she was able to repackage her macabre plan from its Eugenic roots to a “Choice” is purely diabolical, IMHO but I want no part of that history.
Pax Christe
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migurl
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I did a research paper on abortion last year and I got a hold of a book by Margaret Sanger. Not only did she write it, but she signed it too! I Read as much of it as I could stomach, which was a little less than half. It was call the Pivot of Civalization. If any of you want to know what Planned Parenthood was founded on, read it, but I am warning you, prepare to be disgusted. My soul ached after reading it.
For those who don’t have the time to look for or read it, it basically says that she hates african americans, mexicans, religious, women who have children and big families. They should all be rid of to better society. oh yeah, and only the uneducated and mentally retarded are having kids, so the social elite are going to be bred out of existance if mandatory sterilizations don’t occur. Nice lady huh?
For those who don’t have the time to look for or read it, it basically says that she hates african americans, mexicans, religious, women who have children and big families. They should all be rid of to better society. oh yeah, and only the uneducated and mentally retarded are having kids, so the social elite are going to be bred out of existance if mandatory sterilizations don’t occur. Nice lady huh?
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MikeWM
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According to Catholic Answers, there are. Catholic Answers aren’t the Vatican or a group of Bishops. I’ll take my advice from the Vatican and the Bishops over Catholic Answers, thanks, no offence to the people who run this site.
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MikeWM
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So the fact that they are going down more slowly is irrelevant to you?
Why would National Right to Life massage their statistics to make Clinton look better than Bush? Are they closet Democrats?
The difference being that the government directly administers the death penalty. They don’t force anyone to have an abortion. So the only way to stop the government killing people with the death penalty is to change the government. There are other ways of preventing abortions.
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miguel
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They force taxpayers to pay for them. And some regimes do force women to have abortions. This has been going on for years in China under their one child per family policy. Pope Paul VI warned people against this in Humanae Vitae.
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miguel
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This is a false distinction anyway. Government has the moral obligation to protect the innocent. Whether or not they force someone to have an abortion is not the point. When they allow it, they have responsibility for it. It’s their job not to allow it. That’s the main reason we have government…to safeguard life.
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Lizbert
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What you are speaking about is the dreadful theory of eugenics. It basically said that the best human beings were not breeding as rapidly as the inferior ones. It was supported by Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, Winston Churchill and a host of other important historical figures. Research was done at Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Standford and Johns Hopkins. Legislation to address this crisis was passed in a lot of states. It also had the support of the National Academy of Sciences, the American Medical Association and the Naional Research Council. It made possible the slaughter of millions of Jews during WWII. Kinda sad, but it shows how easily we human beings are lead.
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dmelosi
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Please answer 2 simple questions.
- Is there a greater evil out there in today’s world than abortion?
- If you look at what people publicly claim to stand for on the issue, how can you say it is better to vote for someone who openly supports abortion vs someone who says they will fight to end it?
I consider myself Orthodox more so than republican or democrat. Since the republican party is officially pro life and the democratic party is officially pro choice, I tend to believe more of what the republican party spins. Certainly both parties spin things to lean their way. I think you can believe little of what either party says, that is my personal distate for politics.
I have trouble believing anything out of a democrats mouth because of their complete backing of the anti life movement.
I would vote for a democrat if they were pro life and the republican was anti life…as I believe most good Catholics would. Your blind following of the democratic party shows what you really think about truly being pro life, or orthodox in your faith rather than polical about this issue.
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dmelosi
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How does the advice from the Vatican differ from Catholic Answers, on this issue?
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bmelosi
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When in doubt, go to this website. Then think about things.
priestsforlife.org/resources/photosassorted/index.htm#thumbnails
priestsforlife.org/resources/photosassorted/index.htm#thumbnails
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Bella3502
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George Bush is PLINO. ( Pro Life in Name ONLY). Being PLINO makes him no better than Kerry or any other Pro-choice person. His actions speak for him. He does not tell the truth.
The Republican Party is NOT officially ProLife. Again, actions speak louder than words.
Abortion has been legal for 30 years. Republicans are not and will not do anything to change that. And if they think Harriet Miers is going to change anything, they better think again…
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PLINO?
What’s the word for people who can’t distinguish imagination from reality? let me see
What’s the word for people who can’t distinguish imagination from reality? let me see
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bmelosi
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If GWB is PLINO. ( Pro Life in Name ONLY). Then explain all the judges he has appointed. I think if you look at the differences in the judges presidents appoint, then you will have your answer on who is pro-life or not. The judiciary is where the battle currently is, no law will stand as long as Roe v. Wade is still the law of the land. A state cannot even pass a parental consent law with out it being ruled unconstitutional. I don’t think anyone thinks passing law after law is the correct way to go when all they are doing is ruling them unconstitutional.
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