My mask at church OP & my Covid update

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Thomas54 said:
Simple, to show that unless you’ve lived through Covid, your perspective can’t be the same as mine.
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I suppose, if the question is “what’s it like to have Covid?” then yeah, you have a better perspective than someone who’s never had it. If the question is “what should we, as a society, do in response to Covid” then I’m not sure having had it yourself is really all that important. To continue with the military analogy, it’s not like being an Iraq War vet makes someone an expert in Middle East politics.

Its not like we would tell an oncologist that they need to have had cancer themselves before we recognize their expertise in treating it.
 
Thomas54 said:
find that it’s mostly BS
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Like you, I caught the bug and recovered, but I have drawn a different conclusion.

Did you know that polio was a mild illness for 99% of people who caught it? Hardly anyone, about 1%, were paralyzed. No big deal? Just another virus?
 
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Irishmom2 said:
Sorry, but for many people it is.
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We all die and if I were a young man with little ones and was told me that I could choose a 99%+ survival rate or lose my job snd watch my children suffer from hunger, malnutrition, abuse and end up in divorce & contemplating suicide, as has happened to many families, I’d choose to keep the country open & make the best if it.

We have become a country, especially the millennials, that don’t understand hardship and sacrifice and we want everything to be a Utopia. Well, as Catholic Christians, we should understand that that is not how it works.

We take care of our families first and we take our chances. That’s how it’s been forever until recent times.

We lose many more people to Cancer, Heart Disease and the number 3 killer in the country, Medical Mistakes. We don’t panic and shut the country & business & schools down for those deaths.

Another point, not one of our leaders, governors or mayors that have shut our country down has lost one dollar in pay or their careers. Many others have. My son lost a very high paying job in technology & my SIL, with a family of 6 (he’s a good Catholic) took a permanent 30% pay cut.

So, show me the data, show me the true number of Covid deaths, not the BS.

Maybe I just have a different perspective, but after living through the briefing where the doc told me that if my O2 dropped below 85, they would rush in, sedate me and put me on a ventilator without any consult with me or my family, you start looking for truth and the truth I found is that Covid is not the Sky is Falling killer that the WHO, CDC and Fauci tell us that it is.

Study Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao and Hitler & tell me that it can’t happen again. It’s all about control.

Remember the line from Braveheart:

“All men die, but not all men live.”

I refuse to live my life in fear and if only one person understands my point, I’m ok with that. If no one does, I’m Ok with that too. 😃

Choose Life,

Thomas
 
Thomas54 said:
Maybe I just have a different perspective, but after living through the briefing where the doc told me that if my O2 dropped below 85, they would rush in, sedate me and put me on a ventilator without any consult with me or my family, you start looking for truth and the truth I found is that Covid is not the Sky is Falling killer that the WHO, CDC and Fauci tell us that it is.

Study Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao and Hitler & tell me that it can’t happen again. It’s all about control.
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You’re being a bit dramatic with your references to Stalin. :roll_eyes:

I’m glad that in your experience, COVID wasn’t a huge deal, but you can’t make your individual experience universal. You didn’t find some kind of universal truth. You know your experience. There are plenty of people for whom it actually is the “sky is falling” killer.
Thomas54 said:
I refuse to live my life in fear and if only one person understands my point, I’m ok with that. I
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I’m not living my life in fear either. I wear a mask, sanitize my hands, and practice social distancing but it’s not like I lay awake at night paralyzed in terror. Reasonable prudence doesn’t mean you’re some kind of coward.

I have to say, I find a lot of theatrical posturing around masks grating. Lots of people use very loaded language like refusing to wear a mask at Target makes them some kind of brave freedom fighter. It’s like they think flouting a basic public health policy makes them war heroes.
 
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Thomas54 said:
We all die and if I were a young man with little ones and was told me that I could choose a 99%+ survival rate or lose my job snd watch my children suffer from hunger, malnutrition, abuse and end up in divorce & contemplating suicide, as has happened to many families, I’d choose to keep the country open & make the best if it.
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“as has happened to many families…” Yeah, so has death. And those people did not get to choose a 99% survival or everything you listed.

You know, you got Covid, you got better. Good for you.

But you are very insensitive and arrogant toward anyone that has died or has family members that have died.

Yeah, we all die sometime. What is your point?
 
I’m a nurse and have been routine tested several times and always come up negative.

Early in the pandemic, and without wearing a mask I did care on a sweet little old man, took him to the bathroom, gave his meds, breathing the same air and a coupke days later he developed symptoms and subsequently died of Covid19.
I’ve been exposed a bunch of times.
Haven’t gotten sick.

I think there’s an “X factor” we don’t understand about its transmissibility.

So I continue to handwash/mask/social distance
 
Thomas54 said:
I refuse to live my life in fear and if only one person understands my point, I’m ok with that. If no one does, I’m Ok with that too. 😃
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I’m glad you didn’t die from COVID. But while you may be okay with dying from it, I’m not interested in being the one who passes it on to you. If I have to be uncomfortable so you and others stay alive, then so be it.

Signed,
A selfish Millennial
 
RolandThompsonGunner said:
You’re being a bit dramatic with your references to Stalin. :roll_eyes:
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Tell that to the relatives that my family lost touch with several generations ago in Russia. There has never been a shortage of “man’s inhumanity to man.”

Remember how the Germans couldn’t understand how the death camps could happen under their noses?

Thomas
 
Thomas54 said:
Tell that to the relatives that my family lost touch with several generations ago in Russia. There has never been a shortage of “man’s inhumanity to man.”

Remember how the Germans couldn’t understand how the death camps could happen under their noses?

Thomas
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I’m not saying Stalin wasn’t awful. I’m saying you’re being dramatic by comparing wearing a mask to the grocery store to gulags and concentration camps. The comparison is frankly offensive in addition to being silly.
 
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Irishmom2 said:
Yeah, we all die sometime. What is your point?
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You pretty much made it for me.

Stop & think for a second. Just in this thread we are being divided. Divide, Conquer, Repeat.

I’m simply pointing out that our country should never have shut down businesses & schools, at least not for as long as we have. The cost has been to high. Its M2C, period. I hoped that no one would get their t’s in a bind because they don’t agree with me, but apparently they have.

Yes, one life lost to Covid is too many, but how many luves have been lost already not due to Covid, but because of our government’s response to Covid?

Thomas
 
Fauken said:
If I have to be uncomfortable so you and others stay alive, then so be it.
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Fair enough!!!

BTW, even though I’ve tested negative twice for Covid and I have antibodies, I’m still wearing my mask to make others feel comfortable. I’m that kind of guy. 😃

I spoke to some friends at church the other day and told them about my Covid experience. One older than me gentleman said that he thought that if you got it at my age you died. Lots of disinformation out there.

Thomas
 
Thomas54 said:
We all die
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If I can choose I would rather not die yet. It is my duty actually to protect my life and of others when I can.
I am in risk category and cannot remove my diseases, unless God gives me a miracle.
Mask, social distance and often handwash really aren’t big deal. If surgeons can wear it for hours every day then we can too.
It’s not like you wear it 24/7. I really don’t know how mask is considered ‘terror’ or ‘human rights violation’.
 
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Isn’t it true that the more everyone masks and is careful, the more we can go about our lives? With the exception of bars, maybe?

Am I right in surmising that you did spend an overnight in the hospital, OP? That’s not exactly nothing.

It doesn’t sound very Christian that you dismiss the death of this man and others like him. Wouldn’t he still be alive if people consistently were wearing masks?

 
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27lw said:
Am I right in surmising that you did spend an overnight in the hospital, OP? That’s not exactly nothing.
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I DID spend about 15 hours for monitoring my oxygen level, just in case things went a little south. That was my choice ti stay in a riom & I think that it was a good one. That was the first time that I’d ever been overnight in a hospital. The nurses & doctors were GREAT!!!

I was never in any danger with my oxygen level, but a doctor that I know told me that if I drop into the low 90s, that I should get looked at sooner than later.

Also, an x-ray of my lungs showed that they were clear, which is another reason that I went over to the ER because we’ve all been told that Covid Can attack the lungs.

Thomas
 
RolandThompsonGunner said:
Even if you’re correct, all it would demonstrate is that masks don’t offer perfect protection, which no one was arguing in the first place.
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Very True!!! But I still haven’t found an RCT on PubMed or anywhere that has concluded that a society that masks up stops a virus or even slows one down. Laboratory experiments with masks and theory are not RCTs. I’m not close minded, I just like data. 😃

And like I said in an earlier response to someone, my wife and I are still wearing our masks to make others feel good. We went to a large Catholic Church with maybe 300+ in attendance today. A few people did not have masks. Many wore The popular surgical masks under their noses them and plenty had “I’m robbing a stage coach bandanna” as I call them

BTW, Isn’t “Thomas” supposed to be “doubting?”

Thomas
 
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Fauken said:
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Thomas54:
CDC:
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All four of those percentages average to be about 98.52%, so close to 99%. If everyone in the US gets COVID, that’s about 3,000,000 deaths.
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Agreed!!! But those stats are based upon numbers where all deaths these days appear to be attributed to Covid.

Just like in divorce proceedings, there’s truth in the middle, not the extremes.

Thomas
 
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