My most recent Novus Ordo experience

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I don’t expect the priest to show me reverence. When he is facing me his back is towards God. Given the choice don’t you think showing reverence to God is more important than to yourself?

Unfortunately, the TLM was locked away for forty years. It isn’t offered in every parish or diocese so actually not everyone is free to worship as they please.
 
Ockham said:
I don’t expect the priest to show me reverence. When he is facing me his back is towards God. Given the choice don’t you think showing reverence to God is more important than to yourself?

Unfortunately, the TLM was locked away for forty years. It isn’t offered in every parish or diocese so actually not everyone is free to worship as they please.
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You are completely ignoring the point of that posters comments to stubbornly stick to your beliefs. They obviously are not stating they way the priest to show reverence towards them and to put said words in their mouth is neither charitable nor helpful to the discussion.
 
Bbigam said:
I believe ones like what you describe above do exist… but are those your only measures of reverence? I’ve been to plenty of Masses that were reverent even though Communion in the hand was an option (a licit option that I do not exercise but many do) and with female altar servers (which I don’t prefer but are a licit option).

I’d be more concerned with whether people are actually quiet before and after Mass, genuflect and kneel at the appropriate times, participate appropriately*, and teach children to do the same.

*Lest anyone misunderstand me - I don’t mean participate by being part of a huge team of Extraordinary Ministers and the Liturgical Dance Team. I mean by making the responses, gestures, and postures appropriate to the congregation, and being attentive.
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Just because it’s licit does not mean it’s reverent. When the Pope distributes communion he does not give it in the hand. He distributes on the tongue because it is more reverent. Youre confusing licitness to reverence. A priest can dress up like a clown, a Haloween costume of dracula, or smoke a cigarette and drink tequila while doing Mass and still say a licit Mass. Untill Communion in the hand is done away with and people receive communion kneeling and on their tongue and priests vest the way priest should vest there will be no reverence even though the Mass might be licit. One last thing, in order for a mass to be licit the priest must intend to do what the church does. in the Novus Ordo there are many times when we don’t even know whether the priests intends to do what the Church does. In the Traditional Mass we know with certainty that the priest intends to do what the Church does.

The only 100% reverent Mass is the TLM. That is my opinion especially since the NO was made and created by a mason and Protestant ministers. Research it if you don’t believe me.
 
PatrickSebast said:
You are completely ignoring the point of that posters comments to stubbornly stick to your beliefs. They obviously are not stating they way the priest to show reverence towards them and to put said words in their mouth is neither charitable nor helpful to the discussion.
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The poster said the priest turning his back to the congregation is irreverant.

Is calling someone stubborn charitable in your mind?
 
zab said:
I have only seen your posts that say this “as any TLM”. Others have said that the Mass in OF can be just as reverent as the TLM. Here is one example:

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The communion distribution did not appear reverent at all in the video. They were givving communion in the hand. I saw very few mantles on the woman and no one was kneeling down to receive Our Lord. In my opinion, that is not reverence. I agree the pope is trying to make the NO reverent but it just does not work. The TLM is the only way.
 
h1478971 said:
Youre confusing licitness to reverence. A priest can dress up like a clown, a Haloween costume of dracula, or smoke a cigarette and drink tequila while doing Mass and still say a licit Mass.
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Allow me, if you will, a small clarification: any such Mass may (depending on other factors) be valid, but its liceity would, at best, be highly questionable.
 
Layman said:
Thus, fans of the N.O. have to make the argument that it’s internal reverence that counts. Because the outer reverence has been stripped away.
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Indeed. Inner reverence counts just as much if not more, IMO. Anyone can make noise to make it sound reverent.

Just as an aside, though, was the primary intent of the NO reverence? As there already had been a reverent Mass, why would they want to promulgate another one?
 
h1478971 said:
The communion distribution did not appear reverent at all in the video. They were givving communion in the hand. I saw very few mantles on the woman and no one was kneeling down to receive Our Lord. In my opinion, that is not reverence. I agree the pope is trying to make the NO reverent but it just does not work. The TLM is the only way.
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The title of this thread is: My most recent Novus Ordo experience
Why is it that one cannot give their positive experience at a Mass without being attacked and treated as if they were somehow belittling the TLM? In my opinion, our Holy Father, my pastor and many other good priests shows reverence when saying Mass in the Ordinary Form. And many people attending these Masses show reverence as well. There are also those who receive in the hand very reverently.

Some intend on turning this thread into a case of which is most reverent and the only way is the TLM. But that is not the topic of this thread, now is it?
 
estesbob said:
It is in my parish. I’m sorry you do not have the opportunity to attend a reverent NO in your area. I suspect I could start a thread for old altar boys like myself to report the irreverence we often encountered at TLM masses in the late 50s early 60s. I can recall vividly Msgr. , for instance, throwing the towel in my face after drying his hands because I presented it to him wrong. Of course it was 6:20 in the morning and none of us were in a very good moods
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those abuses are minimal compared to what they do now in the NO.
 
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estesbob said:
For instance there is nothing fundamentally ireverent about a priest facing the congregation or receiving communion in the hand. Just because you consider it ireverent does not make it so
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Hee, hee, so turning your back on the tabernacle and the East* [when before you did not, for good reason]* …

… And standing up to receive the Sacred Matter, into your hand, (from a laywoman) [when before you received it kneeling, into your mouth, from a priest, for good reason] …

… is not fundamentally irreverent? Compared to what we used to do?

I submit that this is the same sort of ‘reasoning’ that let people argue that, actually, ‘pro multis’ can mean ‘for all’.

Really, I think the Roman Catholic Church is going to collectively wake up, soon, to realise that the past 40+ years have been an irrational iconoclasm and that we should get back to quiet, solemn, symbolically reverent worship just as soon as our clergy can learn the old rite or make the appropriate changes to how they say the new one.

Who is the Mass directed towards? Given the way it’s now said, ignorant laymen might be forgiven for thinking, well, it’s them. Pictures of modern masses even kind of look like recitals, prizegivings or college graduation assemblies.
 
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