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[Walking_Home]

A comment to the OP’s blog post – and the OP’s response.

Natalie says:
June 12, 2017 at 3:39 am

I don’t think it’s fair to say that women must work in creative fields. Or that the default for woman is to not work at all. That’s not authentic catholic femininity, that’s simply just traditional/stereotypical femininity. God makes us all unique and he wants us to use those gifts (be it painting, or fixing up old cars).

I’m in love with engineering. And I don’t think that’s a flaw in my identity as a woman at all! Saying that women who are co providers are less feminine is frankly really hurtful.

It is your opinion, not Catholicism’s.
You are absolutely free to express it, of course, but at least make it clear that it’s yours instead of expressing it under the guise of “authentic catholic femininity” :frowning_face_with_open_mouth:

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Paige says:	
June 12, 2017 at 3:56 am

I never said there is a flaw in your identity as a woman.

Perhaps, you might be taking this a little too personally because it speaks to something within you?

A woman’s femininity is enhanced when she is allowed to be creative, work in a creative field or indulge in creative pursuits….just as a man’s valour and sense of self-worth increases when he is productively engaged in physical activity.

It’s not just my personal opinion…..it’s science….it’s proven…..and it is also common sense.

Do I believe that engineering is a feminine job? Absolutely not! However, it is your choice and it is something you enjoy.

This post was written for women who want to embrace or enhance their natural femininity…..NOT for feminists, NOT for tomboys and NOT for those who comfortable in their present status, as you clearly are.

Thanks for stopping by! God bless!

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[Hoosier_Daddy]

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Yea well – explain to children – why you and your wife don’t fit the bill of God’s plan according to the OP. And how your wife being a scientist and employed makes her masculine and less feminine. etc.

Of course – how this hits on your masculinity for being a stay at home father.

You like to assume.
Yes, my wife and I both deal with stereotypes. Such as the ones you have.
That doesn’t change the fact that women and men are created differently and generally have complimentary traits. All the more important the expose our children to those traits and discuss why we don’t/ and do, fit certain traits as a family. Honestly your logic is like single parents that get defensive when people point out that two parent families are optimal and the normal thing to aspire to. In my wife and I my daughter’s and son have very Catholic views of gender roles. That match with traditional viewpoints.

I long ago gave up the need to defend or justify my masculinity or my wife’s obvious femininity. I understand though why it is a big deal for some, like you who seem to be offended by healthy and historical gender roles.

I don’t blame you, I too grew up in our culture…

It doesn’t mean we can’t recognize the genius of God’s design if the genders, even if it didn’t work out that way for some.

Yes, my wife fights sexism at work. Yes, as a stay at home homeschooling dad I get odd remarks. And sometimes they are assumptions like yours.

We are extraordinarily traditional and Catholic.

 

[Walking_Home]

You like to assume.
Yes, my wife and I both deal with stereotypes. S**uch as the ones you have. **
That doesn’t change the fact that women and men are created differently and generally have complimentary traits. All the more important the expose our children to those traits and discuss why we don’t/ and do, fit certain traits as a family. Honestly your logic is like single parents that get defensive when people point out that two parent families are optimal and the normal thing to aspire to. In my wife and I my daughter’s and son have very Catholic views of gender roles. That match with traditional viewpoints.

I long ago gave up the need to defend or justify my masculinity or my wife’s obvious femininity. I understand though why it is a big deal for some, like you who seem to be offended by healthy and historical gender roles.

I don’t blame you, I too grew up in our culture…

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What stereotypes. I am not putting your family in a box. You do what works for your family. As other families do – what works for them. I’m not the one putting your wife’s femininity and your masculinity into question. As I said prior – I support your family life.

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

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What stereotypes. I am not putting your family in a box. You do what works for your family. As other families do – what works for them. I’m not the one putting your wife’s femininity and your masculinity into question. As I said prior – I support your family life.

You assumed because we do things differently we do not hold traditional gender roles as something that is optimal. You put us in the box of not supporting the OP’s view. I’m glad you support us for whatever that’s worth. But it would be nicer if you supported the OP in this situation.

I think we are risking derailing the thread.

 

[Walking_Home]

You assumed because we do things differently we do not hold traditional gender roles as something that is optimal. You put us in the box of not supporting the OP’s view. I’m glad you support us for whatever that’s worth. But it would be nicer if you supported the OP in this situation.

I think we are risking derailing the thread.

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I’m not assuming anything. I know you hold traditional views. The fact remains-- it’s the “doing things differently”/SAHD with a scientist working wife – according to the OP – you’re off the mark. And because you are “doing things differently” and your wife’s education/scientist – again according to the OP-- brings her femininity into question.

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

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I’m not assuming anything. I know you hold traditional views. The fact remains-- it’s the “doing things differently”/SAHD with a scientist working wife – according to the OP – you’re off the mark. And because you are “doing things differently” and your wife’s education/scientist – again according to the OP-- brings her femininity into question.

No, that’s just your defensive nature coming through. The Op is not saying what you are reading into it. I will state again, what we do is not optimal. It works for us, but it isn’t the actual design. We live in a flawed fallen world, and we are flawed fallen people. From creation we have been given roles and punishments related to our genders.

I have no problem with the OP pointing these truths out. I’m surprised you read into it what you do.

I fully hope that my children find in me, an example of a father, a man, a leader, an Adam before the fall. And in my wife, a nurturing sweet, woman, that exudes the beauty of Eve before the fall. To do that they must see beyond the circumstances of life and know my wife and I as the .Man and Woman we are. It affects thier own identity and sexuality as they mature, and grow. That is why I find the OPs blog and viewpoint healthy, Catholic and not “condemning” of my family at all.

 

[Walking_Home]

No, that’s just your defensive nature coming through. The Op is not saying what you are reading into it. I will state again, what we do is not optimal. It works for us, but it isn’t the actual design. We live in a flawed fallen world, and we are flawed fallen people. From creation we have been given roles and punishments related to our genders.

**I have no problem with the OP pointing these truths out. **I’m surprised you read into it what you do.

I fully hope that my children find in me, an example of a father, a man, a leader, an Adam before the fall. And in my wife, a nurturing sweet, woman, that exudes the beauty of Eve before the fall. To do that they must see beyond the circumstances of life and know my wife and I as the .Man and Woman we are. It affects thier own identity and sexuality as they mature, and grow. That is why I find the OPs blog and viewpoint healthy, Catholic and not “condemning” of my family at all.

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Because to the Catholic Church the OP’s view and yours – of “authentic” catholic femininity – is not the only way/form to live authentic Catholic femininity.

So since we will not agree – the OP’s blog post is there – for others to read. I leave it at that.

 

[JoyousCatholic]

And as far as what you’ve said about “desiring a return to God’s original plan for women…” I love it! Eve had Adam, her own husband, and no other man was in existence at a time long, long ago when the world was silent and beautiful. They had only eachother, the animals, the garden, the streams, and lovely creatures, they were naked and perfectly innocent. Her husband was enough for her. She didn’t need a “sexual revolution” to be passionately in love with a man. No, no, no! Long ago, the world was silent and beautiful, and it could have stayed that way, but sin ruined all of that and turned the world to the scum and slovenliness that it is now.

very beautifully explained! thank you!!
God bless you and yours!

 

[JoyousCatholic]

I don’t find it problematic nor do I find it rigid.
I find it it a Catholic position and quite an admirable thing to aspire to.
I’d caution you to not assume because others are counter cultural in thier approach that they don’t identify with the wisdom of our created genders.
Our world has lost that, and the fruit is evident. From arguing about restrooms to same sex marriage, to the ostricization of large stay at home parent families. I find the blog refreshing from a young Catholic. Getting back to a society that has more defined gender roles based on the example of the Church and the Holy Family is a good idea. Again, my children would do well if this was the online influence they saw which is better than 99 percent of blogs out there with a gender focus.

thank you so much for your support and response.
part of my inspiration for setting up the blog as a return to traditional values etc etc was not just the stirring i felt within myself for several years, but also the young catholics that i work with and see around me…they too are fed up with modern society and today’s culture and they desire a return back to real Marian virtues, old-fashioned values and traditional Catholicism. They are embracing veiling, adoration, modesty, the Latin Mass and more.

they are being counter-cultural by returning to tradition. they are being a powerful witness to the world, set apart, and inspiring non-catholics to convert.

I believe the world is thirsty for radical changes such return back to traditional values and more.

I write the blog for myself, for other traddies and also for the youths i mentioned above.

 

[JoyousCatholic]

No, that’s just your defensive nature coming through. The Op is not saying what you are reading into it. I will state again, what we do is not optimal. It works for us, but it isn’t the actual design. We live in a flawed fallen world, and we are flawed fallen people. From creation we have been given roles and punishments related to our genders.

I have no problem with the OP pointing these truths out. I’m surprised you read into it what you do.

I fully hope that my children find in me, an example of a father, a man, a leader, an Adam before the fall. And in my wife, a nurturing sweet, woman, that exudes the beauty of Eve before the fall. To do that they must see beyond the circumstances of life and know my wife and I as the .Man and Woman we are. It affects thier own identity and sexuality as they mature, and grow. That is why I find the OPs blog and viewpoint healthy, Catholic and not “condemning” of my family at all.

I believe Walking_Home is just unnecessarily trying to create conflict and stir up strife simply because she does not agree with my views. She, and I believe it is a she as she contacted me on my blog and also on Facebook, is the only one to responded so negatively, hounding me on the blog, the facebook page and now here.

I have about over 4 years experience as a blogger and writer for other platforms and projects, and I am accustomed to dealing with her sort.

Do not let her bait or try to make you doubt your own spiritual growth. The best way to deal with trolling behaviour such as this is to ignore and respond no more to the perp.

Normal people who disagree with another’s person’s blog views will simply just stop reading the blog, no? I find it utterly sad to see a person who claims to be a Christian engaging in behaviour that many other reasonable non-christian would not engage in.

Recognise it for what it is and don’t let yourself by tempted or led astray into conflict and debate.

I am praying for her and I hope you do the same.

God bless you and yours!!

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

I believe Walking_Home is just unnecessarily trying to create conflict and stir up strife simply because she does not agree with my views. She, and I believe it is a she as she contacted me on my blog and also on Facebook, is the only one to responded so negatively, hounding me on the blog, the facebook page and now here.

I have about over 4 years experience as a blogger and writer for other platforms and projects, and I am accustomed to dealing with her sort.

Do not let her bait or try to make you doubt your own spiritual growth. The best way to deal with trolling behaviour such as this is to ignore and respond no more to the perp.

Normal people who disagree with another’s person’s blog views will simply just stop reading the blog, no? I find it utterly sad to see a person who claims to be a Christian engaging in behaviour that many other reasonable non-christian would not engage in.

Recognise it for what it is and don’t let yourself by tempted or led astray into conflict and debate.

I am praying for her and I hope you do the same.

God bless you and yours!!

I’d be surprised if it was her. She is a good poster. We just disagree on this topic. I doubt she would do that…

 

[Walking_Home]

I believe Walking_Home is just unnecessarily trying to create conflict and stir up strife simply because she does not agree with my views. She, and I believe it is a she as she contacted me on my blog and also on Facebook, is the only one to responded so negatively, hounding me on the blog, the facebook page and now here.

I have about over 4 years experience as a blogger and writer for other platforms and projects, and I am accustomed to dealing with her sort.

Do not let her bait or try to make you doubt your own spiritual growth. The best way to deal with trolling behaviour such as this is to ignore and respond no more to the perp.

Normal people who disagree with another’s person’s blog views will simply just stop reading the blog, no? I find it utterly sad to see a person who claims to be a Christian engaging in behaviour that many other reasonable non-christian would not engage in.

Recognise it for what it is and don’t let yourself by tempted or led astray into conflict and debate.

I am praying for her and I hope you do the same.

God bless you and yours!!

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The only contact – I’ve had with you – is through this forum. I suggest that you stop making stuff up.

 

[JoyousCatholic]

I’d be surprised if it was her. She is a good poster. We just disagree on this topic. I doubt she would do that…

I hope so. I’m all for differing opinions, but I draw the line when someone is persistently bullying me and trying to police my blog content.

There are hundreds of other catholic blogs with differing opinions, so I wonder why he/she made the decision to harass and bully mine. It’s ridiculous!

The blog is not your cup of tea? We get it - move along.

Pax Christi!

 

[Walking_Home]

This is a public discussion forum. Which means – if something is posted – it opens the topic up for discussion. As everyone here knows – not everyone is in agreement with what is posted within the forums. I would not have known of the particular blog – if the OP had not brought it here herself – posted her blog on 2 forums.

As I stated prior – the only contact with the OP – has been through this forum.

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

I hope so. I’m all for differing opinions, but I draw the line when someone is persistently bullying me and trying to police my blog content.

There are hundreds of other catholic blogs with differing opinions, so I wonder why he/she made the decision to harass and bully mine. It’s ridiculous!

The blog is not your cup of tea? We get it - move along.

Pax Christi!

I have no proble defending you but you have to remember a couple of things, 1 you are advertising your blog on a public website and it contains information that is considered “hot button”. You need thick skin. There will be trolls.
Also, it’s against charity to assume the other poster was doing it.

Finally please check out the Catholic teen posts girl. She is s traditional catholic, hangs out with fr frank pavone etc. she handles negative feedback on the web with grace.

 

[jlc2k2]

I hope so. I’m all for differing opinions, but I draw the line when someone is persistently bullying me and trying to police my blog content.

There are hundreds of other catholic blogs with differing opinions, so I wonder why he/she made the decision to harass and bully mine. It’s ridiculous!

The blog is not your cup of tea? We get it - move along.

Pax Christi!

So do you actually want feedback on your blog or just clicks? If the first, I’ll look closer and provide feedback. If the latter, I’ll just move along.

 

[JoyousCatholic]

So do you actually want feedback on your blog or just clicks? If the first, I’ll look closer and provide feedback. If the latter, I’ll just move along.

Here, if you cared to read it, is my ORIGINAL post:
*I recently set up a blog and website for Catholic women of all ages and young Catholic girls.

Would really appreciate it if you can give it a quick peek.

Thank you and God bless

AUTHENTIC CATHOLIC FEMININITY
authenticcatholicfemininity.com/
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Visits are obviously welcome…so too are impressions or feedback, but I am not interested in anyone bullying me into changing my blog views to suit their own personal views. I don’t everyone to like the blog or agree with my views - I respect that …as much as I expect the same respect.
As a personal blog, the views expressed are obviously mine and my blog (just several other blogs )does not claim to be the official voice for Catholicism or the Vatican.
you are welcome to disagree with me, but i’ll simply ignore any trolling, harassing or bullying.

Pax

 

[jlc2k2]

Here, if you cared to read it, is my ORIGINAL post:
*I recently set up a blog and website for Catholic women of all ages and young Catholic girls.

Would really appreciate it if you can give it a quick peek.

Thank you and God bless

AUTHENTIC CATHOLIC FEMININITY
authenticcatholicfemininity.com/*

Visits are obviously welcome…so too are impressions or feedback, but I am not interested in anyone bullying me into changing my blog views to suit their own personal views. I don’t everyone to like the blog or agree with my views - I respect that …as much as I expect the same respect.
As a personal blog, the views expressed are obviously mine and my blog (just several other blogs )does not claim to be the official voice for Catholicism or the Vatican.
you are welcome to disagree with me, but i’ll simply ignore any trolling, harassing or bullying.

Pax

Thanks! I actually did read the original post and the rest of the thread in its entirety and it wasn’t clear to me whether you actually want feedback or just new readers. At this point, I’ll just leave since my feedback would be content based and that doesn’t seem to be something you are interested in.

 

[JoyousCatholic]

Thanks! I actually did read the original post and the rest of the thread in its entirety and it wasn’t clear to me whether you actually want feedback or just new readers. At this point, I’ll just leave since my feedback would be content based and that doesn’t seem to be something you are interested in.

I have received LOTS of content-based feedback from others in this forum…some who had differing viewpoints to mine about the blog content …but none of the feedback I received has been as antagonistic, hostile and uncharitable as I have received from the last poster.

I am not averse to differing views, but I will not be bullied or harassed.

Thanks for your response, anyway.

Pax

 

[Bruised_Reed]

I have received LOTS of content-based feedbntack from others in this forum…some who had differing viewpoints to mine about the blog content …but none of the feedback I received has been as antagonistic, hostile and uncharitable as I have received from the last poster.

I am not averse to differing views, but I will not be bullied or harassed.

Thanks for your response, anyway.

Pax

You are definitely not being bullied (in fact you are in a better position to bully WH) and disagreement doesn’t equal harassment. You asked for opinions and now you call it policing.

I, too, take issue with you calling “traditionalist” femininity “authentic Catholic”. You offer one version of femininity and the Church isn’t one dimensional like that.