My new parish priest is...different

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Tonight I went to the first Sunday Mass celebrated by our new priest. Here are the highlights:
  1. We did the sign of peace at the beginning of Mass…AND before communion. Yes, we did it twice.
  2. He forgot the Gloria.
  3. For his homily, he made everybody in the congregation stand-up and say their last name (250+ people).
  4. He forgot the Creed.
  5. Before the prayers for the faithful, he walked up the aisle and asked, “…if there was any one person in the parish we really needed to pray for.” Silence. He then asked if anybody knew someone serving in Iraq or Afghanistan, and he asked for people to call out the names of the soldiers.
  6. When he got to the past of the Eucharistic Prayer that says, “Welcome into your Kingdom our departed brothers and sisters,” he abruptly asked, “Who was the last person in this parish that died?” Someone behind me called out their name, and he went on. He did at least another ad-lib like this as well.
  7. He kept commenting on how one of the servers was bigger than he was, and kept implying that this kid is destined for the priesthood because of this phenomena.
I’ve been a Catholic for twelve years, and that was the oddest Mass I’ve ever been to. I hope he was just nervous and simply forgot the Creed and the Gloria, but considering how he was winging-it with reckless abandon, I have to wonder. I came home fuming to my wife, and I am prepared to drive 80 miles round-trip to another church that at least somewhat follows the GIRM. However, I know that many of you put up with this kind of stuff (and worse) every week, so maybe I’m being whiner.

Anyway, I just had to vent. Thanks for your patience and understanding! 🙂
 
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mike0219116:
Tonight I went to the first Sunday Mass celebrated by our new priest. Here are the highlights:
  1. We did the sign of peace at the beginning of Mass…AND before communion. Yes, we did it twice.
Not that unusually. The first one could have been meant as an introduction to those around you. I’ve experienced such things in the past.
  1. He forgot the Gloria.
Isn’t always required – although I’m not sure exactly when it is and when it isn’t.
  1. For his homily, he made everybody in the congregation stand-up and say their last name (250+ people).
I disagree with that.
  1. He forgot the Creed.
No Creed at a Sunday Mass? I believe that is a no-no.
  1. Before the prayers for the faithful, he walked up the aisle and asked, “…if there was any one person in the parish we really needed to pray for.” Silence. He then asked if anybody knew someone serving in Iraq or Afghanistan, and he asked for people to call out the names of the soldiers.
Sounds like he meant well with that one.
  1. When he got to the past of the Eucharistic Prayer that says, “Welcome into your Kingdom our departed brothers and sisters,” he abruptly asked, “Who was the last person in this parish that died?” Someone behind me called out their name, and he went on. He did at least another ad-lib like this as well.
In the early 1990’s we had a Pastor who was constantly ad-libbing "… God so loved the World that in the fullness of time, He sent His only Son to suffer and die for our sins. Think about that the next time you’re clipping your toenails …" – So I’m use to ad-libbing.
  1. He kept commenting on how one of the servers was bigger than he was, and kept implying that this kid is destined for the priesthood because of this phenomena.
Again, it sounds like he meant well.

I’ve been a Catholic for twelve years, and that was the oddest Mass I’ve ever been to. I hope he was just nervous and simply forgot the Creed and the Gloria, but considering how he was winging-it with reckless abandon, I have to wonder. I came home fuming to my wife, and I am prepared to drive 80 miles round-trip to another church that at least somewhat follows the GIRM. However, I know that many of you put up with this kind of stuff (and worse) every week, so maybe I’m being whiner.

Has he been a priest for a relatively short time?

Anyway, I just had to vent. Thanks for your patience and understanding! 🙂
 
We have a new priest and I will meet him tomorrow. Before our old priest left he began to introduce that introducing ourselves at the begining of Mass. I hope it wasn’t to get us use to a new priest.
  1. He forgot the Gloria.
Isn’t always required – although I’m not sure exactly when it is and when it isn’t.
during lent and advent all other times I believe it is required. We had one priest who unless it was sung did not say it.
 
If that is the worst you have seen, you are blessed.

Without trying to excuse what he did, if he just got to your parish (and you didn’t say how long your last pastor was there), you should realize that he has an enormous burden. No matter what he does, he is going to be compared to the last pastor. Some are going to hate him simply because he isn’t the last pastor. Some ore going to love him - for the same reason. He is under a microscope and is going to be questioned, challenged, prodded, pushed, told how he should do it… you get the gist.

How would you do up in front of 100, 200, 350 or more people, most of whom you hadn’t yet met, and for whom you now have the responsiblity of leading to Christ? Would you, perhaps be a bit rattled? Maybe forget one thing or another? Feel under pressure? Perhaps say a few things that were more prompted by nervousness than common sense?

I don’t know, maybe he is a wild one. Maybe he is caught in the 70’s (you didn’t say how long he has been ordained, or how many parishes he has had before this one), and you are going to have a lot of “playing” with the rubrics. Or maybe he is just someone who does not have a tremendous amount of self confidence.

The last part of your post asked for patience and understanding. Are you willing to give him that which you ask for?
 
He’s either new and young and nervous
OR
you were in a Newman Center.
If litugical dancers begin to flit down the aisles…
I’d do the 80 miles.
 
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otm:
If that is the worst you have seen, you are blessed.
You are probably right.
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otm:
Without trying to excuse what he did, if he just got to your parish (and you didn’t say how long your last pastor was there), you should realize that he has an enormous burden.
Our former pastor was here about nine years.
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otm:
How would you do up in front of 100, 200, 350 or more people, most of whom you hadn’t yet met, and for whom you now have the responsiblity of leading to Christ? Would you, perhaps be a bit rattled? Maybe forget one thing or another? Feel under pressure? Perhaps say a few things that were more prompted by nervousness than common sense?
I don’t know, maybe he is a wild one. Maybe he is caught in the 70’s (you didn’t say how long he has been ordained, or how many parishes he has had before this one), and you are going to have a lot of “playing” with the rubrics. Or maybe he is just someone who does not have a tremendous amount of self confidence.
I did concede that he may have been nervous. However, he has been a priest for about 20 years, and it would seem to me that giving a homily based on the Gospel reading, and then following the GIRM, would be somewhat automatic for him at this point his career. I’m a teacher and I know what it’s like having to get up in front of a bunch of people you don’t know; such is my task on the first day of class. However, after of nine years of teaching, I can get through the first day and all the stress that comes with that experience because I have a certain “routine”. The priest has this “routine” as well with the order of the Mass. With his experience, I was expecting a moderate comfort level with the Liturgy. Incidentally, he said he’s never been anywhere longer than 4 years, and it seems he is a product of late 70’s/early 80’s seminary training. I wonder if that has anything to do with his actions?
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otm:
he last part of your post asked for patience and understanding. Are you willing to give him that which you ask for?
Again, another good point and I will keep that in my heart.
 
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catsrus:
He’s either new and young and nervous
OR
you were in a Newman Center.
If litugical dancers begin to flit down the aisles…
I’d do the 80 miles.

Nope, this was at a parish church. In fact, the priest at the closest NC to me (75 miles away) is as orthodox as you can get.

And no dancing (yet).
 
If your prayer life is obstructed by the changes then travel the extra miles to find a Catholic parish you feel comfortable and free to pray with. I travel the extra miles…nothing wrong with that.
 
Ann Cheryl:
We have a new priest and I will meet him tomorrow. Before our old priest left he began to introduce that introducing ourselves at the begining of Mass. I hope it wasn’t to get us use to a new priest.

during lent and advent all other times I believe it is required. We had one priest who unless it was sung did not say it.
All Sundays with the exception of ones in Advent and Lent are required to have the Gloria. All Solemnities durring the year are to have the Gloria said: St. Mary, the Mother of God, The Epiphany of the Lord, St. Joseph; Husband of the Blessed Virgin Mary, The Annunciation of the Lord, Maundy Thursday, The Octave of Easter, Ascension Thursday, Corpus Christi, The Most Sacred Heart of Jesus Christ, The Nativity of St. John the Baptist, Sts. Peter and Paul, The Assumption of the Blessed Mother, All Saints’ Day, All Souls’ Day, The Immaculate Conception, and Christmas.

The Nicence Creed is said on all Sundays of the year and on all solemnities. It really makes me mad when I go to Daily Mass for one of the Solemnities that I mentioned and the priest doesn’t have us say the Gloria or the Nicence Creed. You’re supposed to genuflect where the Nicence Creed mentions the Incarnation on Christmas and the Annunciation.
 
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RedDeathsMask:
The Nicence Creed is said on all Sundays of the year and on all solemnities. It really makes me mad when I go to Daily Mass for one of the Solemnities that I mentioned and the priest doesn’t have us say the Gloria or the Nicence Creed. You’re supposed to genuflect where the Nicence Creed mentions the Incarnation on Christmas and the Annunciation.
Our previous pastor omitted the Creed on the Sundays when he performed a Baptism during Mass, which was always immediately after the Homily. The reason was that during the Baptism we (the congregation) also renewed our Baptismal promises and made a Profession of Faith.

Was this a liturgical abuse?
 
Nan S:
Our previous pastor omitted the Creed on the Sundays when he performed a Baptism during Mass, which was always immediately after the Homily. The reason was that during the Baptism we (the congregation) also renewed our Baptismal promises and made a Profession of Faith.
Was this a liturgical abuse?

I don’t think that it’s an abuse. For instance, during the Easter Vigil, the Creed is omitted since the congregation renews their Baptismal Vows.
 
I would agree to be patient with your new priest, and perhaps most important, is to pray. But, would it be inappropriate to ask the priest why he omitted the Gloria and the Creed? By asking him directly, you could eliminate any speculation. If it is nerves, it should diminish and eventually go away. If it is ignorance, than your question may serve as a catalyst for further study. If it is disobedience, it will only get worse.

It would seem that Liturgical Abuse is very common, but in the recent document Redemptionis Sacramentum, liturgical abuse is taken very seriously.

“31. In keeping with the solemn promises that they have made in the rite of Sacred Ordination and renewed each year in the Mass of the Chrism, let Priests celebrate “devoutly and faithfully the mysteries of Christ for the praise of God and the sanctification of the Christian people, according to the tradition of the Church, especially in the Eucharistic Sacrifice and in the Sacrament of Reconciliation”.[71] They ought not to detract from the profound meaning of their own ministry by corrupting the liturgical celebration either through alteration or omission, or through arbitrary additions.”

Additionally, concerning the Eucharist Prayer:

“51. Only those Eucharistic Prayers are to be used which are found in the Roman Missal or are legitimately approved by the Apostolic See, and according to the manner and the terms set forth by it. “It is not to be tolerated that some Priests take upon themselves the right to compose their own Eucharistic Prayers”[129] or to change the same texts approved by the Church, or to introduce others composed by private individuals.[130]

Concerning the alteration of the Liturgy:

“59. The reprobated practice by which Priests, Deacons or the faithful here and there alter or vary at will the texts of the Sacred Liturgy that they are charged to pronounce, must cease. For in doing thus, they render the celebration of the Sacred Liturgy unstable, and not infrequently distort the authentic meaning of the Liturgy.”

“169. Whenever an abuse is committed in the celebration of the sacred Liturgy, it is to be seen as a real falsification of Catholic Liturgy. St Thomas wrote, “the vice of falsehood is perpetrated by anyone who offers worship to God on behalf of the Church in a manner contrary to that which is established by the Church with divine authority, and to which the Church is accustomed”.[278]

It certainly is a tragedy that this occurs. Pope John Paul II tells us that:

“184. Any Catholic, whether Priest or Deacon or lay member of Christ’s faithful, has the right to lodge a complaint regarding a liturgical abuse to the diocesan Bishop or the competent Ordinary equivalent to him in law, or to the Apostolic See on account of the primacy of the Roman Pontiff.[290] It is fitting, however, insofar as possible, that the report or complaint be submitted first to the diocesan Bishop. This is naturally to be done in truth and charity.”

Good luck and Peace be with you.

MilesJesu
 
I forgot to mention that the Nicene Creed is omitted when a baptism is performed durring mass, the congregation renews their baptismal vows. It is also interesting to note that the Solomneties of: St. Joseph; Husband of the Blessed Virgin Mary and The Annunciation of the Lord are the only two days in which the Gloria is said durring Lent. The Immaculate Conception is the only day in which the Gloria is said durring Advent.
 
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mike0219116:
Tonight I went to the first Sunday Mass celebrated by our new priest. Here are the highlights:
  1. We did the sign of peace at the beginning of Mass…AND before communion. Yes, we did it twice.
  2. He forgot the Gloria.
  3. For his homily, he made everybody in the congregation stand-up and say their last name (250+ people).
  4. He forgot the Creed.
  5. Before the prayers for the faithful, he walked up the aisle and asked, “…if there was any one person in the parish we really needed to pray for.” Silence. He then asked if anybody knew someone serving in Iraq or Afghanistan, and he asked for people to call out the names of the soldiers.
  6. When he got to the past of the Eucharistic Prayer that says, “Welcome into your Kingdom our departed brothers and sisters,” he abruptly asked, “Who was the last person in this parish that died?” Someone behind me called out their name, and he went on. He did at least another ad-lib like this as well.
  7. He kept commenting on how one of the servers was bigger than he was, and kept implying that this kid is destined for the priesthood because of this phenomena.
I’ve been a Catholic for twelve years, and that was the oddest Mass I’ve ever been to. I hope he was just nervous and simply forgot the Creed and the Gloria, but considering how he was winging-it with reckless abandon, I have to wonder. I came home fuming to my wife, and I am prepared to drive 80 miles round-trip to another church that at least somewhat follows the GIRM. However, I know that many of you put up with this kind of stuff (and worse) every week, so maybe I’m being whiner.

Anyway, I just had to vent. Thanks for your patience and understanding! 🙂
2 things: either he was drunk or two, he went to a horrible seminary/formation program. Is he PASTOR??? Speak to him as a parish Community about this if it continues, if that does not work write (in writing) to the bishop, and carbom copy the letter to the head of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments in Rome.
 
misericordie said:
2 things: either he was drunk or two, he went to a horrible seminary/formation program. Is he PASTOR??? Speak to him as a parish Community about this if it continues, if that does not work write (in writing) to the bishop, and carbom copy the letter to the head of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments in Rome.

Indeed, he is our pastor.

Who knows, maybe he’ll show up for his second weekend completely normal. Maybe all of this was a product of first-week jitters.
 
Do yourself a favor, go to a TLM in Wichita, Topeka, or Kansas City.
 
Steve Green:
Do yourself a favor, go to a TLM in Wichita, Topeka, or Kansas City.
Sadly, each of those cities are about 80 miles from where I live. I’d love to attend a TLM somday though.
 
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