My "new parish"

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Ever since we moved, we have been attending this small parish close to where we now live. Now that Christmas and whatnot have settled down, I have been able to analyze this parish a bit, and I am not entirely happy with what I’m seeing.

I should mention that my wife works Saturday and Sunday mornings, so the only time we can attend Mass together as a family is Saturday or Sunday evenings. Sunday evenings involves driving about 20 miles to the one parish in the city which has a 5 PM Sunday Mass. Mommy is usually pretty tired by 5 PM on a Sunday, and doesn’t want to get involved in the long trip to and from, and I don’t blame her. The “new parish” (I parenthesize because I frankly don’t know how long I’m going to attend there) is only about 10 minutes away, so it’s not such a haul.

I should also mention that this particular diocese (Grand Rapids, Michigan) is rife with various liturgical abuses, which vary in intensity from parish to parish; they run the gamut from parishes which actually celebrate the Mass as Vatican II intended, to parishes which are only vaguely recognizable as Catholic churches…they’re more like a bunch of people “playing church”—they have some of the major aspects down, but the rest they just make up as they go. :sigh:

Anyways, last night I counted several things that were odd, to say the least. Some of the things are to be, unfortunately, expected—the music is the usual run of post-Vatican II folk/hippie drivel, played by a woman with a guitar, a male cantor as “lead singer”, and a third man with a harmonica. (Yes, a harmonica. :rolleyes: ) Needless to say, it doesn’t take a strong imagination to close your eyes and easily surmise that you’re sitting around a campfire with a troop of Boy Scouts at Lake Iniki-Nikee.

There is the usual lack of respect for the Blessed Sacrament (lay ministers and altar servers—and in this case, also the priest—walking around the altar, back and forth past the Tabernacle, with nary a genuflection among them), parishioners jabbering and chattering like a tribe of monkeys after Mass, making reflection or prayer impossible; and there is the usual embroidering of the rubrics by the priest, the “take a dash of this and pinch of that, add water and stir”, but these things I’m referring to were things that I frankly haven’t ever seen before.

Every time we have attended Mass there, the entire congregation stands facing the back of the church; as the servers and the celebrant process into the church, each row turns and faces the front as they pass by, sort of like radar rigs tracking a target. I have no idea if this is an abuse or not, but I find it very unsettling and I do not like it.

At Communion time, we have the same thing. The back row of the church goes first, and the ushers work their way towards the front of the church. This is eminently annoying, because as you’re kneeling and trying to prepare yourself for Holy Eucharist, you have no idea where the usher is, since you can’t just open your eyes and make a quick check as to which row in front of you is rising to go forward. Twice now, I have had an impatient parishioner tap me on the shoulder, jolting me out of a prayer, and jab a thumb at the rest of my pew emptying into the aisle. Then I have to tap Mommy on the shoulder, jolting her, and do the same thing.

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They also have a huge traffic jam at the front of the church, due to a surplus of unneeded EMHCs; this is not a huge church, and if they’d cut down to three—one for helping the priest with the Hosts, and two chalice-bearers at either side, it would be more than enough. As it is, they have seven EMHCs in addition to the priest up there, which is totally unneccessary.

Over Christmas, the priest distributed incense by placing it in a ceramic bowl and swishing it around in front of his face while he blew on it, thus spreading the smoke in front of him. My question is, what on earth is wrong with a thurible or a censer?

The vessels on the altar, up to and including the chalice used by the priest, are made of glass.

Last night, when the priest went up to read the Gospel, he sailed straight across the altar, without so much as even a nod to the the Blessed Sacrament or to the altar, and instead, stood in back of the lecturn and bowed to the Book of Gospels. My wife looked at me with a “What the…?” look on her face, and I just shrugged, as if to say, "You got me."

The priest was also wearing an odd sort of striped vestment last night, a strange mixture of grey, off-green, and predominantly purple makeup that looked for all the world like a poncho worn by a Mexican bandito. This is Ordinary Time, and he should have been wearing green.

At one point last night, as we sat there listening to Peter, Paul, and Mary singing the liturgical equivalent to “The Answer is Blowin’ in the Wind”, my wife looked over at me and smiled and sort of squeezed my hand, so I imiagine I must have had a rather disconsolate look on my face.

There are other issues as well, but these are the major points. Mommy says she can deal with it, but I don’t know how long I can. She has suggested that our son and me can go to one of the city parishes on Sunday mornings, where the Mass is more orthodox, and she’ll continue on up there on Saturday evenings. I’m not crazy about that idea, either, because I like to go to Mass as a family, but I have to tell ya, I’m seriously considering it.

:sigh: Oh why, oh why, oh why does the Roman Rite always have to be in such disarray?
 
A HARMONICA!!!

I’m so sorry, friend. I could get past this on your posts.
I’m praying to St. Monica (no pun intended) for your parish.
 
Wolseley,

Perhaps the new Bishop will help swing the pendulum back in the other direction. What is your impression of him?
 
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msproule:
Perhaps the new Bishop will help swing the pendulum back in the other direction. What is your impression of him?
I’m so glad you’re here. Do you think that you or MrS could come up with a CATHOLIC church in GR for this family?
 
The Contemporary Music Ministry (they just call themselves the Music Ministry – or sometimes just The Ministry – which I object to, but only privately) at my church did the music for mass this morning. I should mention that we are a Gather Comprehensive Hymnal parish.

They too had a harmonica today. All ultra-contemporary post-VII folksy music. I could have tolerated it, but they led You Are The Voice so slowly that NO ONE sang with them. No even me, and I’m the last one to boycott like that.

sigh I wish someone would bring the organ back.

I hear your pain about your new church. I’ve been in mine for two and a half years now and I feel similarly. I’ve decided that the Lord has sent me into a spiritual desert. I don’t know why, but I am trying to make the best of it. Perhaps you too have been sent there for a reason by the Lord.
 
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Wolseley:
Last night, when the priest went up to read the Gospel, he sailed straight across the altar, without so much as even a nod to the the Blessed Sacrament or to the altar, and instead, stood in back of the lecturn and bowed to the Book of Gospels. My wife looked at me with a “What the…?” look on her face, and I just shrugged, as if to say, "You got me."
Our pastor always pauses at the Tabernacle, bows profoundly, and then continues to the lecturn. The alleluia is sung, and he takes his time. I love it.

But on the weekends he is at his other parish, our “sacremental minister” does just as you’ve described. He sails across the altar, bows to the Book of Gospels, and makes the sign of the cross just like you or I would and then approaches the lectern.

I’ve wondered about this. It looks odd that my 10 year old altar boy is bowing profoundly to the Blessed Sacrament (my 8 year old is less reliable about remembering), but the priest does not. :confused:

Other than that, he seems to be a pretty OK priest, so I’ll cut him some slack on that count, I suppose.

If I were you, I’d probably take your DW up on her offer. Attending Mass together is nice, but at this point doesn’t seem to be working 100% for you. My DH works 6 days a week. My boys often altar serve. Yesterday they served the 4 pm Mass, but DH was working and went to the 7 am this morning before work. We go together when we can, but don’t sweat it otherwise.
 
Attending a church myself that looks like it was designed by a Soviet state architect (gray cinder block, no religious symbols, dull, clear glass windows, etc) I can sympathise with you. The Mass suffers more, however, at the hands of a piano than at the hands of any folksy music.

At Mass this week, we sang “Here I Am” which, if you do not know, is written by an openly and partnered homosexual and is the rallying call for the homosexual “rights” movement in the Church. Apart from this it is also quite a wretched song. Anyway, when I tried to explain this to my parents they said that they didn’t want to hear how “evil” it was. Even after I told them they didn’t care (not that I expected them to care, they haven’t to date).

This is the last straw for me at this parish, but being a minor, there is not much I am able to do. So, I have now decided to do the following, to which my parents have no objection: I am going to start serving at the TLM indult Mass at the Cathedral. I will at least be guaranteed an orthodox and reverent Mass once every other week (they don’t exactly have a lot of altar boys) and escape the torturous Mass at our parish.

The bottom line of this story is: no matter how dire your Mass straits, there is an escape. I am confident you will find yours. 👍
 
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Wolseley:
There is the usual lack of respect for the Blessed Sacrament (lay ministers and altar servers—and in this case, also the priest—walking around the altar, back and forth past the Tabernacle, with nary a genuflection among them),
Not genuflecting during Mass is correct, according to the 2002 General Instruction of the Roman Missal, n. 274:
During Mass, three genuflections are made by the priest celebrant: namely, after the showing of the host, after the showing of the chalice, and before Communion. Certain specific features to be observed in a concelebrated Mass are noted in their proper place (cf. above, nos. 210-251).
If, however, the tabernacle with the Most Blessed Sacrament is present in the sanctuary, the priest, the deacon, and the other ministers genuflect when they approach the altar and when they depart from it, but not during the celebration of Mass itself.
From usccb.org/liturgy/current/chapter4.shtml
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Wolseley:
Last night, when the priest went up to read the Gospel, he sailed straight across the altar, without so much as even a nod to the the Blessed Sacrament or to the altar
I agree, there should have been a bow to the altar, following 2002 GIRM n. 275b.
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Wolseley:
The vessels on the altar, up to and including the chalice used by the priest, are made of glass.
Using glass is a clear breach of the 2004 Instruction Redemptionis Sacramentum, n. 117: “Reprobated, therefore, is any practice of using for the celebration of Mass common vessels, or others lacking in quality, or devoid of all artistic merit or which are mere containers, as also other vessels made from glass, earthenware, clay, or other materials that break easily.”
 
Do not take this comment as an insult to the new bishop… but I don’t think you will see any progress from him. Unless he was just going with the flow in Detroit, and will now be more like Bishop Carlson, you will probably need to do most of the work yourself.

First get hold of liturgy documents (search this site - there is an endless supply) and become acquainted with them.

Second, enjoy some time reading posts (liturgy section) here, so you can see a rather fair representation of both opinion camps. Common sense will most often point you in the right direction.

Third, keep a phrase in mind: " Be very suspect of ANY source or individual who suggests ANY course of action that leads to less reverence of the Eucharist."

I would ask my son who lives there for a parish suggestion… but he is still on a slow trip back from Luthernism.
 
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MrS:
Do not take this comment as an insult to the new bishop… but I don’t think you will see any progress from him. Unless he was just going with the flow in Detroit, and will now be more like Bishop Carlson, you will probably need to do most of the work yourself.

First get hold of liturgy documents (search this site - there is an endless supply) and become acquainted with them.

Second, enjoy some time reading posts (liturgy section) here, so you can see a rather fair representation of both opinion camps. Common sense will most often point you in the right direction.

Third, keep a phrase in mind: " Be very suspect of ANY source or individual who suggests ANY course of action that leads to less reverence of the Eucharist."

I would ask my son who lives there for a parish suggestion… but he is still on a slow trip back from Luthernism.
You da man!
 
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Wolseley:
Over Christmas, the priest distributed incense by placing it in a ceramic bowl and swishing it around in front of his face while he blew on it, thus spreading the smoke in front of him. My question is, what on earth is wrong with a thurible or a censer?
I can’t get this picture out of my mind and don’t know whether to :eek: or :rotfl:
My goodness what a horrid picture!

For the person above who said they sang ‘Here I Am’, today, so did we, as I imagine a lot of parishes did. I actually like the words to the song, but now that I know its ties to homosexuality I can’t get that thought out of my mind when I hear it…are you sure that account of the origins of the song are correct?
 
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Wolseley:
:sigh: Oh why, oh why, oh why does the Roman Rite always have to be in such disarray?
For a large variety of reasons, which have been so well covered in the forum that there is no need to relist them all again. But supposing…just supposing…that since you’ve vented here, you make a quick list from your initial posts with no comments either way and make an appoointment to see Father.

Then tell him the plain truth, that you attended this liturgy, found these things, some of which were so disturbing to you, that you cannot equate them with the GIRM and are so uncomfortable that you are thinking of leaving the parish.

In a calm and reasonable manner, ask Father to explain to you, what precisely he has in mind with this and that and the other.

I suspect that some priests have grown sloppy because they don’t think anyone much “cares”, others have let themelves fall into bad habits and haven’t even noticed and still others unless directly approached by the bishop will just do things either at the behest of their “liturgy directors” or some book or seminar they attended.

Once you have accomplished this you will at least have a “good and justifiable” reason for disturbing what seems to be your regular family practice. You will know that you addressed the matter directly and found the answers poorly given, non-existent and that its really time for you to parish shop. OTOH Father may be more receptive to some of your ideas, critiques, etc. It never hurts to talk things out before we take action.
 
Servus Pio XII:
At Mass this week, we sang “Here I Am” which, if you do not know, is written by an openly and partnered homosexual and is the rallying call for the homosexual “rights” movement in the Church. Apart from this it is also quite a wretched song. Anyway, when I tried to explain this to my parents they said that they didn’t want to hear how “evil” it was. Even after I told them they didn’t care (not that I expected them to care, they haven’t to date)
Here is the google search I did for “Daniel Schutte” and homosexual google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en&q=%22Daniel+Schutte%22+homosexual&btnG=Search

As you can see, 8 hits, 3 of them repeats, none of them relevant. Could you post a source for this?
Are you trying to prove that a song can be objectively evil because of the sate of its composer’s soul (unproven as yet) and because of its misuse by a group?

Yours in Christ,
Thursday
 
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Thursday1:
Here is the google search I did for “Daniel Schutte” and homosexual google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en&q=%22Daniel+Schutte%22+homosexual&btnG=Search

As you can see, 8 hits, 3 of them repeats, none of them relevant. Could you post a source for this?
Are you trying to prove that a song can be objectively evil because of the sate of its composer’s soul (unproven as yet) and because of its misuse by a group?

Yours in Christ,
Thursday
I was confused at first because there is a beautiful song called “Here I Am” in the hymnals that I absolutely love by Tom Booth.

Saying that, I see nothing wrong with modern music in Churches (mind you, music that is Mass-appropriate). My church has a trumpeteer, two flautists, one clarinettist, a synthetic drum (only used sparingly) and two violinists. I do question the usage of a harmonica to reflect the solemnity and worship in the Mass though…

In Via Christi,
Kevyn.
 
netmil(name removed by moderator):
I’m so glad you’re here. Do you think that you or MrS could come up with a CATHOLIC church in GR for this family?
Sorry but I was not “here” long enough to see your post right away! Now that I have returned, I must regrettably state that I know very little about the GR Diocese. I will need do some detective work…

As MrS indicated, Bishop Hurley came from Detroit, where he was an Auxiliary Bishop under Cardinal Maida. I never heard much about him, but hopefully he bears good fruit in GR.
 
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Thursday1:
Here is the google search I did for “Daniel Schutte” and homosexual google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en&q=%22Daniel+Schutte%22+homosexual&btnG=Search

As you can see, 8 hits, 3 of them repeats, none of them relevant. Could you post a source for this?
Are you trying to prove that a song can be objectively evil because of the sate of its composer’s soul (unproven as yet) and because of its misuse by a group?

Yours in Christ,
Thursday
The words for the son “Here I Am” by Schutte are right out of Isaiah!

I am not sure if this is the song the poster meant, there are others with the same name.

cheddar
 
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cheddarsox:
The words for the son “Here I Am” by Schutte are right out of Isaiah!

I am not sure if this is the song the poster meant, there are others with the same name.

cheddar
I’m 99.9% certain the poster meant this song, because 99.9% of churches played this song on Sunday! The Schutte version is also the song that many Traditionalists complain about, though I had never heard the gay argument.

Yours in Christ,
Thursday
 
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