I said that the accusation that the Jews killed Jesus is an antisemitic accusation, and I will never retract what I said. If it were okay to say that the Jews killed Jesus, it would be perfectly safe to say that the Americans killed Abraham Lincoln and John Kennedy. As well as Martin Luther King. Do you agree? Of course not! How come is it okay to say that the Jews killed Jesus? Therefore, Antisemitism.
Ben As you said it is your opinion so opinions don,t need to be answer,have a good dayNo Piercing At Jesus’ Side
Here are three reasons why Jesus was never pierced at his side on the cross:
1- The custom to rush the death of all the Jews crucified by the Romans was Jewish and not Roman; and the practice was done only on Fridays, so that the bodies would not be left hanging during the hours of the Sabbath. And the method was leg-breaking and not spear-piercing. The Romans wouldn’t care less if the Jewish Sabbath got desecrated by the bodies on the crosses.
2 - There is a tradition that the Centurion was richly bribed by Joseph of Arimathea, who was a very rich man in Israel, to just let him - Joseph - take Jesus off the cross and report back to Pilate that Jesus was indeed already dead.
3 - That Centurion and his men could never by their own accord pierce Jesus after their recognition that Jesus was indeed the son of God. This is for lack of any other option, a confession that they had converted themselves to the Cause of Jesus. That’s in Matthew 27:54. Besides, there was no such a Roman custome to spear-pierce a crucified to check if he was dead.
The first and third reasons dispense with any other evidence that the piercing of Jesus’ side by a Roman spear was an interpolation by either the writer of the Gospel 50+ years after Jesus had been gone or by the Fathers of the Church in 327 CE, when they selected the books into the Canon of the NT.
Ben:
I will say it again. By and large, when the NT says “The Jews” it is refering to a small group of political and rligious leaders who were Jewish. It is not saying that ALL JEWS were a physical part of it.
Ben Masada;4877192:
Do you know something Bill Pick? I praise your honesty. You have been the only one not to bother looking for an excuse to my suspictions. You go straight ahead
and say that it doesn’t matter whoelse died on the cross. You saw only one Jew and he was Jesus. But I can’t help stop wondering why your eyes are open exactly for the only Jew I have ever read about, who had an aversion for Gentiles, even to consider them like dogs, a thing I have never heard from the lips of another.
Ben:
When the gospel writer put down that the Jews killed Jesus, what counts is not what was in the mind of the gospel writer but what is in the mind of the reader. This is a lie that should never be repeated. Besides, what Jew would want to kill a brother of his for going against foreign occupiers of his homeland? I am almost sure that this interpolation was inserted in the gospels with the intent to transfer the blame for the death of Jesus from the Romans to the Jews, which has caused so much death among the Jews throughout History.
Hold your horses because I never wrote on the title that this is my opinion. Some Moderator must have done that, not me.
Sorry Reuben, but I disagree with you in three counts: The first is when you say that the Romans were carrying out the wishes of the Sanhedrin. That’s not true. The Sanhedrin had no reason to condemn Jesus because Jesus never blasphemed against God. That reason was fabricated by the Gentiles who wrote the gospels.
Surely he hath borne our infirmities and carried our sorrows: and we have thought him as it were a leper, and as one struck by God and afflicted.No Piercing At Jesus’ Side
Here are three reasons why Jesus was never pierced at his side on the cross:
1- The custom to rush the death of all the Jews crucified by the Romans was Jewish and not Roman; and the practice was done only on Fridays, so that the bodies would not be left hanging during the hours of the Sabbath. And the method was leg-breaking and not spear-piercing. The Romans wouldn’t care less if the Jewish Sabbath got desecrated by the bodies on the crosses.
2 - There is a tradition that the Centurion was richly bribed by Joseph of Arimathea, who was a very rich man in Israel, to just let him - Joseph - take Jesus off the cross and report back to Pilate that Jesus was indeed already dead.
3 - That Centurion and his men could never by their own accord pierce Jesus after their recognition that Jesus was indeed the son of God. This is for lack of any other option, a confession that they had converted themselves to the Cause of Jesus. That’s in Matthew 27:54. Besides, there was no such a Roman custome to spear-pierce a crucified to check if he was dead.
The first and third reasons dispense with any other evidence that the piercing of Jesus’ side by a Roman spear was an interpolation by either the writer of the Gospel 50+ years after Jesus had been gone or by the Fathers of the Church in 327 CE, when they selected the books into the Canon of the NT.
Ben:
What makes you think that those small number of people who were the ones who did it were Jews, your wish that they were? Not enough for me my friend. Besides, if you read Josephus, Pilate was not the kind of personality who needed a reason to crucify a Jew. Let alone Jews or whoever influencing his decision to crucify whoever he wanted. Therefore, that weird trial makes no sense.
“He?” How come if he was not alone? Josephus says that the Romans crucified thousands of Jews. How about the other ones? Whose infirmities and sorrows did they carry? And when people looked at them on the crosses, what did they think, that
are you ok?“He?” How come if he was not alone? Josephus says that the Romans crucified thousands of Jews. How about the other ones? Whose infirmities and sorrows did they carry? And when people looked at them on the crosses, what did they think, that
they had not been struck by God and afflicted? You must be kidding to think that Jesus was the only Jew to be crucified by the Romans.
Ben:
His point being that any one of the thousands of Jews that were crucified could be viewed as fullfilling prophecy and that it is only by first assuming that Jesus is God that one can look back on the scriptures and find that a “suffering servent” prophecy clearly points to him.
Valid point, but the Church uses more than that one set of prophetic writings to make the claim for Jesus.
Jesus is the Bronze Serpent that was lifted, He appeared like one of them, sinners, but had no sin. No other Israelite could fulfill this, only Jesus.
Mr. Ben, I’d like you to show us some Jewish commentary that claim that these “thousands” of Jews that were crucified made intercession for the transgressors.
I am only going to say this one time. ONE TIME.
The other ones did not make Himself a sacrifice and take a vow in offering Himself to be an offering for the atonement of your sins.“He?” How come if he was not alone? Josephus says that the Romans crucified thousands of Jews. How about the other ones? Whose infirmities and sorrows did they carry? You must be kidding to think that Jesus was the only Jew to be crucified by the Romans.
Ben: