My Pro-Gay Marriage Friends

[fayfay]

So im 14 and my circle of friends are all Catholic since ive gone to Catholic School my entire life. My friends and I basically stick to the same basic morals: pro-life, dont sleep around (although not all of them are saving themselves), etc. So recently ive been hanging out with them and the subject of gay marriage comes up. My friends get really intense and ALL start agreeing with eachother that gay marriage is okay.

“God says that the most important thing is to be happy no matter what”
me thinking: Hitler was happy…people who do drugs are happy…serial killers are happyy

“God made them that way, so why shouldnt they be able to live it!”
me thinking: God also made people fatherless and motherless. Its a cross to bear

“Marriage isnt just for makeing babies, its about love”
me thinking: B.I.B.L.E.

I hate sitting around these conversations. I feel so uncomfortable. I want to just start screaming. I want to chime in, but i dont know what to say. And they are gonna find a way to contradict me. and then it just gets awkward. I need a way to tell them how i feel that cant be contradicted. I think that they know how i feel cuz im usually the most talkative, and i just sit quietly when they talk about stuff like this. So please, i could really just use some help/support/sympathy. Im clueless.

 

[MJE]

Maybe just ask a question like *so how would you re-define marriage? Could it be re-defined, in time, to include more variety?

tell me about the research that shows babies are born w/ same sex attraction?

show me where God says happiness is the purpose / meaning of life? who defines happiness?*

I never get into arguments of this kind. But I have asked a question and left it @ that, all the while praying that my tongue and demur reflect charity & my confidence in Christ’s truth. Not arrogance!! I don’t argue w/ people that suggest 1+1=3 because I am confident it is not.

 

[Magister102]

“God says that the most important thing is to be happy no matter what”
me thinking: Hitler was happy…people who do drugs are happy…serial killers are happyy

Read Thomas Aquinas for this one. He defines happiness as our participation in the good, which only God can decide. Thus happiness, true happiness, is doing what is good, as God, who is perfect Goodness, has decided. This argument rules out moral relativism as well, and eliminates the option of people determining what is good and bad.

“God made them that way, so why shouldnt they be able to live it!”
me thinking: God also made people fatherless and motherless. Its a cross to bear

The sin here is not same sex attraction, but in acting upon that attraction. Same sex attraction is unnatural, and so those people who have these tendencies are required to live a chaste life, as is everyone is called to live a chaste life according to their vocation.

Likewise, heterosexuals are called to live a life free from sex until they get married. You need to be firm in your conviction of this. Pre-martial sex for everyone, gay or not, is morally wrong.

“Marriage isnt just for makeing babies, its about love”
me thinking: B.I.B.L.E.

Not sure about your Bible comment here, since the Bible also does not teach that sex for procreation only. It has two aspects: Unitive and Procreative. You cannot separate the two, and if a relationship is lacking one, then it is not a marriage (note: procreation means that you must be open to children and all impediments of procreation must be removed. If you are physically unable to conceive, but are still open to life, this is acceptable).

 

[edwest2]

So im 14 and my circle of friends are all Catholic since ive gone to Catholic School my entire life. My friends and I basically stick to the same basic morals: pro-life, dont sleep around (although not all of them are saving themselves), etc. So recently ive been hanging out with them and the subject of gay marriage comes up. My friends get really intense and ALL start agreeing with eachother that gay marriage is okay.

“God says that the most important thing is to be happy no matter what”
me thinking: Hitler was happy…people who do drugs are happy…serial killers are happyy

“God made them that way, so why shouldnt they be able to live it!”
me thinking: God also made people fatherless and motherless. Its a cross to bear

“Marriage isnt just for makeing babies, its about love”
me thinking: B.I.B.L.E.

I hate sitting around these conversations. I feel so uncomfortable. I want to just start screaming. I want to chime in, but i dont know what to say. And they are gonna find a way to contradict me. and then it just gets awkward. I need a way to tell them how i feel that cant be contradicted. I think that they know how i feel cuz im usually the most talkative, and i just sit quietly when they talk about stuff like this. So please, i could really just use some help/support/sympathy. Im clueless.

When I was 14, I was pretty talkative too. Too many people just believe what the media tells them. Some think if they heard it on TV, it’s got to be true, or read about it on the internet, it’s got to be true.

I encourage you to read what the Church teaches:

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20030731_homosexual-unions_en.html

Try not to get too frustrated if they don’t believe you. Pray for your friends.

Peace,
Ed

 

[Armyvet007]

Do what Ed suggested and look at the Church’s teachings and how the Church came to those teachings.

 

[Swiss_Guy]

I’m in a similar situation, but really it all comes down to do you trust the authority of the Catholic Church? It’s a yes or no question.

 

[Equites_Christi]

Your very simple statement that cannot be contradicted:

That’s not what the Church teaches.

If they insist it is, ask them to show you where that is in the Catechism.

If they simply disagree, then they disagree with the Church and that’s their problem.