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Because the Roman church and the Catholic church is not the same.
The Roman church is a denomination within Christendom.
The Catholic church IS Christendom.
Therefore, I am a Catholic. But I am not Roman.
There is no hatred, no bigotry, no contempt, or whatever else I have been accused of, behind my not using the word “catholic” about the Roman church. It is simply because the word is broader than the confines of the Roman church.
Wait a minute here? Do you honestly believe that the Roman Catholic church is a denomination? A denomination of what?
Lets clarify a few things here; The Roman Catholic church is not a denomination. It is the fulfillment of the Old Covenant eternally present:
Any Christian outside of The Roman Catholic church is a denomination of the One Holy Catholic apostolic church, or protestant.
For one: the nicence creed and or the apostles creed comes from the approval of the Successors of the apostles using the Didache, and Tradition; the Pope and the council of Nicea approved these credo’s. 'Where were the Lutherans in 300 a.d where were any other christian denomination or protestant christian church during the suffering and Martyrs of the Catholic faith since the apostles. I dont find any Lutheran martyrs from the early Catholic church not to mention any other denomination from the Holy apostolic catholic church, just heretics.
Secondly: Our seperated brethern such as Lutheran’s etc. may recite the Profession of faith in the creed, that mentions one holy Catholic apostolic church, but lets review why this may be so among the seperated brethern from the holy Catholic apostolic church;
A. Luther your founder was a Roman Catholic. Luther seperated himself from the Holy Catholic apostolic church Tradition. Luther picked and chose his new unorthodox belief’'s and took with him Roman Catholic doctrines and Credo’s. Along with other so called Anglicans, Calvinist etc. who rejected and took with them already Roman Catholic belief’s. They took with them what Roman Catholic saints and martyrs bled and died for, to bring this gospel into the 16th century, at which time they protested 1600 years later.
B. Lutherans and other seperated brethern recite the Credo, but have changed the meaning from its original conception since approved by the Pope and Nicene Council…
C. Lutherans and other seperated brethern; have lost their apostolic succession, by seperating themselves from the One Holy Catholic Apostolic church, thus invalidating their holy orders from the successors of the apostles and invalid sacraments as taught from the scriptures and Traditions of the original apostles.
D. Now; how are Lutherans and other seperated brethern catholic? Is a matter I will not close here,by stating my opinion, and historical facts;before I do; I would like to learn, from Lutherans and other seperated brethern why they believe they fall under the title of catholic, yet their founders coming from the One Holy Catholic Apostolic church, seperated themselves from Peter’s chair in whom our dear Lord Jesus entrusted the keys of the kingdom of God on earth.
3 Scripture and Roman Catholic christian Tradition for 2000 years now clearly defines and states; their is only ONE BODY,ONE BAPTISM, ONE LORD AND ONE HOLY CATHOLIC APOSTOLIC CHURCH. Lutherans and other seperated brethern have denominated themselves and seperated themselves and have come into history 16000+ years later after the Catholic doctrines were defended by our Roman Cathoic Popes, bishops, priests, deacons, and martyrs since the apostles.
- Can you prove how the Roman Catholic church is a denomination since Jesus instituted her?
- Can you prove why Lutheranism claims the title of catholic, or does she fall under the Umbrella of the One Holy Catholic apostolic church?
6.The claims you have made about all of Christendom are catholic, needs more clarification, I agree with you, although I dont think my 2000 year old Tradition will agree with your 500 year old seperated tradition.
- I must conclude, Roman Catholic church is under the appointed apostle by Jesus; Peter; present day Pope Benedict 16th. Roman Catholicism is not a denomination as you have claimed. All seperated brethern who claim to be catholic are a denomination of the Roman Cathoic church.
Peace be with you.
