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mark_a
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And you can start off the list with:
- Contraception is a sin
- Divorce and remarriage is a sin
- homosexual behavior is a sin
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Luvtosew
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Not really, those are Christian morals also, so like Christians, some Catholics have also decided their not sins.
The list I made is specific to the Catholics, that Protestants don’t agree with, Lets not confuse this and make it look like Protestants have lower morals than Catholics as we know its not true.
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mark_a
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Are you kidding me? Can you name two Protestant Churches that condemn contraception?
How could Protestants have lower morals when they are not being taught by their Churches what was moral for 1900 years of Christianity?Lets not confuse this and make it look like Protestants have lower morals than Catholics as we know its not true.
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Luvtosew
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Well no not right off the bat, but even if the Catholic church teaches it, you must know there are many Catholics on it. I do bellieve your overstating your case also.
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Anna_Scott
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Most Anglican Catholics (Anglo Catholics) are “high church” with a liturgy that is almost identical to a Catholic Mass. We also have 7 Sacraments and believe in the Real Presence.Anna, forgive me for not understanding, but isn’t Anglican now the same as the Catholic Church as far as the Mass and Sacraments? How is it different?
Of course, Rome has declared our orders invalid/illicit. Other than that, we’re good.
Anna
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mark_a
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I know of only one. WELS.
Sad but true. But just because Catholics don’t believe or comply doesn’t make the Catholic morals teachings of 2000 years and the Protestant morals teachings of 1900 years wrong.
How so?
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Luvtosew
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Yes I thought you were pretty much the same now. Well really in that case it may not be too difficult to stay where your at, depending on the issues of course. I hope thats the case for you.Most Anglican Catholics (Anglo Catholics) are “high church” with a liturgy that is almost identical to a Catholic Mass. We also have 7 Sacraments and believe in the Real Presence.
Of course, Rome has declared our orders invalid/illicit. Other than that, we’re good.
Anna
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Luvtosew
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Who’s WELS?
Well its good to be taught it, thats for sure, can’t argue with that.
It just sounded like you meant Protestants are more immoral, I’m sure you didn’t mean it that way.
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batman1973
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Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod
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Luvtosew
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Oh ok , thank you.
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batman1973
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Don’t thank me, thank Google
I also read on Wikipedia that a group called the Lutheran Churches of the Reformation oppose birth control as well
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PJM
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Sorry Jon,
My friends that position is not biblically founded.
The ONLY Church and the ONLY set of Faith believes “founded by Christ” is today;s Catholic Church
Other “churches” and Faith beliefes followed after about ONE THOUSAND YEARS; durring ALL of this span there was histroically and factually only the One Church founded by Christ who gives the key to heavenly accress ONLY to His CC.
Psalms 127:1 “Unless the Lord builds the house, those who build it labor in vain. Unless the Lord watches over the city, the watchman stays awake in vain.”
You’re both entitles to you’re own opinion, but IMO, there is no evidence to support it.
Acts.20: 28 “Take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God [SINGULAR] which he obtained with the blood of his own Son.” [only the cc existed when these words were written.]
**Romans 13: 2 **“Therefore he who resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.”
**2Pet.2:1 **“But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.”
SHOULD NOT BIBLE CHURCHES OBEY WHAT THE BIBLE ITSELF PROCLAIMS AS THE SINGULAR TRUTH:shrug:
**Eph. 4: 1-7 **“I therefore, a prisoner for the Lord, beg you to lead a life worthy of the calling to which you have been called, with all lowliness and meekness, with patience, forbearing one another in love, eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of us all, who is above all and through all and in all. But grace was given to each of us according to the measure of Christ’s gift".
**John.10: 16 “**And I have other sheep, that are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will heed my voice. **So there shall be one flock, one shepherd” **
**Eph. 2:19-20 “So then you are no longer strangers and sojourners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, [singular] built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, ** in whom the whole structure is joined together and grows into a holy temple in the Lord; in whom you also are built into it for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.”
Either God IS in Charge or we are. The responsibility can’t be split. We either hear and OBEY what God Himself Ordains and Comands, or we deny God’s exclusive right to to so.
Dear friends you’re position does not allign with God’s own Inspired words.
God Bless you,
Pat
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mark_a
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Wisconsin Synod Lutherans. They take a dim view even of NFP.
HI Pat,
What about the Orthodox?
You’re both entitles to you’re own opinion, but IMO, there is no evidence to support it.
How do we know that this isn’t referring to the patriarchs of the east?
Isn’t it also the case that the CC claims that, via baptism, we are all part of the Church? If you want to claim His Church is only and exclusively in communion with the Bishop of rome (I see no evidence of this in scripture or in Church history), I won’t agree, but then I won’t debate it either. I see His Church as the congregation of believers, where the word is preached and the sacraments administered. That includes the Catholic Church, those in communion with the Bishop of Rome, but it isn’t exclusive to it. The keys, the power to bind and loose, is given to all the Church.
Your inference is that this, and these others, are speaking of only St. Peter.
Either God IS in Charge or we are. The responsibility can’t be split. We either hear and OBEY what God Himself Ordains and Comands, or we deny God’s exclusive right to to so.
When and where is His fold? I contend He here is speaking of the Church Triumphant.
And we are, no more nor less than the Catholic Church, listening to His word.
And also with you, Pat.
Jon
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Anna_Scott
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PJM,Sorry Jon,
My friends that position is not biblically founded.
The ONLY Church and the ONLY set of Faith believes “founded by Christ” is today;s Catholic Church
Other “churches” and Faith beliefes followed after about ONE THOUSAND YEARS; durring ALL of this span there was histroically and factually only the One Church founded by Christ who gives the key to heavenly accress ONLY to His CC.
Psalms 127:1 “Unless the Lord builds the house, those who build it labor in vain. Unless the Lord watches over the city, the watchman stays awake in vain.”
You’re both entitles to you’re own opinion, but IMO, there is no evidence to support it.
Acts.20: 28 “Take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God [SINGULAR] which he obtained with the blood of his own Son.” [only the cc existed when these words were written.]
**Romans 13: 2 **“Therefore he who resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.”
**2Pet.2:1 **“But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.”
SHOULD NOT BIBLE CHURCHES OBEY WHAT THE BIBLE ITSELF PROCLAIMS AS THE SINGULAR TRUTH:shrug:
**Eph. 4: 1-7 **“I therefore, a prisoner for the Lord, beg you to lead a life worthy of the calling to which you have been called, with all lowliness and meekness, with patience, forbearing one another in love, eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of us all, who is above all and through all and in all. But grace was given to each of us according to the measure of Christ’s gift".
**John.10: 16 “**And I have other sheep, that are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will heed my voice. **So there shall be one flock, one shepherd” **
**Eph. 2:19-20 “So then you are no longer strangers and sojourners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, [singular] built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, ** in whom the whole structure is joined together and grows into a holy temple in the Lord; in whom you also are built into it for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.”
Either God IS in Charge or we are. The responsibility can’t be split. We either hear and OBEY what God Himself Ordains and Comands, or we deny God’s exclusive right to to so.
Dear friends you’re position does not allign with God’s own Inspired words.
God Bless you,
Pat
This is a Catholic interpretation, and I would expect such a response on a Catholic forum. In fact, I hear it all the time; and I respect your right to hold such beliefs.
However, the CC’s assertion of authority is not consistent with the Orthodox Church or the rest of Christendom.
The CC sends mixed messages. We, Non-Catholics, are told we are part of the Mystical Body of Christ; yet you reject us from the Eucharistic Celebration----even though we have been Baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (a Baptism the CC accepts as valid); and even though we believe in the Real Presence and “discern the Body.”
But you don’t stop with excluding us from the “Catholic” Eucharist, you declare our orders invalid/illicit and therefore, claim we do not actually celebrate the Holy Eucharist. That would mean God rejects the Eucharist prayers of our Priests and that it is all in vain.
That’s really as far as I want to go with this on this thread, as I’ve had the “authority” discussion many times. I realize this is a Catholic forum and the authority issue is always on the table.
Agreed.
Anna
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robwar
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The only real common thread among protestant churches is sola scripture - the Bible and Jesus. Each of the 30,000 some protestant churches is that they are not in union with Rome and they each think that they are just like or returning to the original church that was corrupted by the big old bad Catholic church. The problem is that there are as many ways to read to Bible as there are protestant churches. Yet the more that protestant churches splinter off each other in the guise of returning to the 1st century church, the more that they are nothing like the 1st century church. To return to the true 1st century church is to become Catholic. I did spend many years in a couple of independent Charismatic churches. Each believed very different things yet both considered themselves as “spirit-filled” and returning to the original 1st century. Yet the 1st century Christians had a liturgical form of worship not the free for all, anything goes service. Yet neither church bothered to study history or what went on in the 1st century, they just “read the Bible” and decided on their own what to do.
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Anna_Scott
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robwar,
This is actually a misconception. Not all Protestants/non-Catholics believe in Sola Scriptura as only “the Bible and Jesus.” There isn’t really a clear understanding of what constitutes Sola Scriptura. Some definitions include the role of Tradition. Some do not.
Strict “Bible only” is now sometimes called Solo Scriptura.
Peace,
Anna
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Funny. I just had a bowl of popcorn.- Status