My Response to Liberalism

[HereticHunter]

A couple of days ago, I posted a couple of posts urging those in this forum to visit, read, and critique my blog. (www.catholiccombatant.blogspot.com)

And even though, people have not read my blog, they have posted replies either supporting Liberalism or to warn me the dangers of “criticizing” someone’s faith.

There can be NO faith with Liberalism and I will not change my tone to satisfy moral relativists!

What I mean by Liberalism, and what it is meant by in Catholic terms (not political terms) is someone who willfully goes against Church teaching which is believed to be passed down by divine truth.

Anybody who does so is committing heresy.

Anyone who does that is a heretic.

And as taught by Canon Law, which is inspired by the Holy Spirit, heretics are excommunicated and are no longer a part of the Church.

Canon 751: “Heresy is the obstinate denial or obstinate doubt after the reception of baptism of some truth which is to be believed by divine and Catholic faith; apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; schism is the refusal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him.”

Canon 1364 §1: “an apostate from the faith, a heretic, or a schismatic incurs a latae sententiae excommunication.”

(Edited to remove shouted phrase.)

 

[Wirraway]

behold the finest example of circular reasoning on the forum.

 

[thistle]

A couple of days ago, I posted a couple of posts urging those in this forum to visit, read, and critique my blog. (www.catholiccombatant.blogspot.com)

And even though, people have not read my blog, they have posted replies either supporting Liberalism or to warn me the dangers of “criticizing” someone’s faith.

There can be NO faith with Liberalism and I will not change my tone to satisfy moral relativists!

What I mean by Liberalism, and what it is meant by in Catholic terms (not political terms) is someone who willfully goes against Church teaching which is believed to be passed down by divine truth.

Anybody who does so is committing heresy.

Anyone who does that is a heretic.

And as taught by Canon Law, which is inspired by the Holy Spirit, heretics are excommunicated and are no longer a part of the Church.

Canon 751: “Heresy is the obstinate denial or obstinate doubt after the reception of baptism of some truth which is to be believed by divine and Catholic faith; apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; schism is the refusal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him.”

Canon 1364 §1: “an apostate from the faith, a heretic, or a schismatic incurs a latae sententiae excommunication.”

(Edited to remove shouted phrase.)

Any Catholic who rejects Church teachings is committing heresy. I don’t think anyone would disagree with that.
What I don’t understand is what you mean by a liberal?

 

[kotek]

Just this morning some of fellow parishoners and I went to breakfast together. ALL of them, except myself are involved in the parish in different ministries, Music Director, Cantors, Eucharistic Ministers, CCD and Religious Ed, Parish Administration etc. Most of if not all of them, according to your OP and Blog, are “heretics” and not “real Catholics”. Half of them are for Obama, some disagree with the Church about contraception, half don’t believe in Papal Infallibility and these aren’t even the average “Joe and Jane Catholic” at my Parish which is a LARGE suburban middle-class Parish. So if we take it that my fellow breakfast goers reflect the majority of people at my Parish then we aren’t Catholic anymore but “heretics”.

If you think that all Catholics at all times MUST believe everything the Church teaches to be a “real Catholic” then you have no grasp of the Theological and Pastoral realities that exist in the “real world”.

 

[cfrancis]

Just this morning some of fellow parishoners and I went to breakfast together. ALL of them, except myself are involved in the parish in different ministries, Music Director, Cantors, Eucharistic Ministers, CCD and Religious Ed, Parish Administration etc. Most of if not all of them, according to your OP and Blog, are “heretics” and not “real Catholics”. Half of them are for Obama, some disagree with the Church about contraception, half don’t believe in Papal Infallibility and these aren’t even the average “Joe and Jane Catholic” at my Parish which is a LARGE suburban middle-class Parish. So if we take it that my fellow breakfast goers reflect the majority of people at my Parish then we aren’t Catholic anymore but “heretics”.

If you think that all Catholics at all times MUST believe everything the Church teaches to be a “real Catholic” then you have no grasp of the Theological and Pastoral realities that exist in the “real world”.

Does this mean we, as Catholics, can choose what to and not believe?
Can we choose to not believe in the Real Presence and still be Catholic?
Can we choose to not believe Jesus Christ was truly God and truly human, and still be Catholic?

Also, do your friends understand what papal infallibility is? Or do they assume it means the pope is perfect?

 

[fix]

Faith
2087 Our moral life has its source in faith in God who reveals his love to us. St. Paul speaks of the "obedience of faith"9 as our first obligation. He shows that “ignorance of God” is the principle and explanation of all moral deviations.10 Our duty toward God is to believe in him and to bear witness to him.

2088 The first commandment requires us to nourish and protect our faith with prudence and vigilance, and to reject everything that is opposed to it. There are various ways of sinning against faith:

Voluntary doubt about the faith disregards or refuses to hold as true what God has revealed and the Church proposes for belief.

Involuntary doubt refers to hesitation in believing, difficulty in overcoming objections connected with the faith, or also anxiety aroused by its obscurity. If deliberately cultivated doubt can lead to spiritual blindness.

2089 *Incredulity *is the neglect of revealed truth or the willful refusal to assent to it. "*Heresy *is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same; *apostasy *is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; *schism *is the refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him."11

 

[Cristiano]

…And as taught by Canon Law, which is inspired by the Holy Spirit, heretics are excommunicated and are no longer a part of the Church.…

Can you please provide documentation to support the part of your statement that I put in bold!

If you start with all these rantings you better be careful of not making things up.

Is it heresy to publicly state that a Baptized Catholic (even if excommunicated) is not part of the Church? I though that even if you are excommunicated you still have the obligation to attend the Sunday Mass.

 

[GJx86]

The problem here is not one of message, but of tone.

Of course we should assent to all of God’s truth as the Church has revealed it, whether in written or oral form. But foaming at the mouth about how

There can be NO faith with Liberalism and I will not change my tone to satisfy moral relativists!

is not going to win you any converts. I don’t take issue with the idea of objective morality (how could I?); I take issue with the speed with which you label those who do not agree with every single teaching of the Church at exactly this second as unfit for faith and unable to be loved by God.

I hope you see the distinction here. It is true that obstinate denial of Church teaching constitutes heresy, which is a grave sin. But many of those who obstinately deny Church teaching do so out of personal weakness or misunderstanding rather than hatred for the Church. Our goal should be to explain, to talk, and to pray so that these people can be built up and enter into the fullness of God’s truth. Labeling them as “heretics” may be technically correct, but in the final analysis it is unlikely to save any souls.

RATHER, IT IS HELPING!

No, it is not. What you have described is a situation where some people have persistently sinned. Your reaction to this, from what I’ve seen in this thread, is to tell them to get out of the Church, because they are heretics. Yet Our Lord ate with tax collectors; he did not come to call the righteous, but the sinners; and we mustn’t forget our call to charity in dealing with others, lest we become just like the Pharisees who wonder why the Church would waste time on those who aren’t already perfect.

 

[v1gilbert]

Let’s be honest the main reason you posted this thread was to get people to go to your blog. Right?

 

[thistle]

The OP seems to have gone into hiding. I certainly won’t be going near his blogsite if that’s his intention.

 

[Michael_Francis]

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