My run in with a "Catholic feminist"

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What you must understand is that men are very afraid of women like this, because they can do a lot of damage to them personally. And I’d agree with OP not to accidentally touch her.

She may decide to engage the OP in further discussion, but he ought to be very careful. My guess is that she went to a “Catholic” retreat somewhere. I can’t imagine her getting this information at a women’s study class. If she does want to talk, I’d ask her if she’s been on any retreats. Then close mouth, open ears, and let her talk. If you have any chance of changing her opinions, it will take weeks before she trusts you and has spoken enough about her retreat experiences.
 
joeybaggz said:
It is scary if it is being preached to young girls.
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Except it’s not. I’m a twenty-something feminist, and this is the first time I’ve come across the arguments that OP is describing.
 
Mary consented to be Mother of God and the Ten Commandments don’t mention men being superior than women. In fact it even says to honor your mother so I don’t where she got that.
 
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Thanks for sharing your experience @thephilosopher6. I know you were venting, but it confirms that some of my interactions are not unusual and outlandish. Not every topic needs a solution as the goal.
 
The whole rape thing is ridiculous considering the fact conception didn’t occur yet. Gabriel informed Mary of God’s plan to have her bring Jesus into the world in human flesh. She inquired how such a thing would occur and Gabriel explained. Then Mary said, ‘I am the Lord’s servant’ and said to Gabriel, ‘may your word to me be fulfilled’. God foreknew Mary was willing to help in bring Jesus into the world in human flesh. There was no coercion.

As to what you dealt with, unfortunately, there are a number of millennials who think along the lines of Christianity-bad, militant Left-wing politics-good. If the two conflict, it’s Christianity that’s wrong and forms of left-wing ideology that makes anti-Christianity its core mission is always right regardless of evidence. Be skeptical of Christian claims but blindly follow leftist talking points. That line of thinking has made its way into the minds of some younger Christians. And note, I’m specifically focusing on a subset of left-wingers and not on religious people who believe in more government assistance and etc.
 
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The issue here seems to me is not so much about being a ‘feminist’ but rather about being catechised. If she is a Catholic, whether she still believes in it or not, because saying Mary to be worshipped as Goddess really goes beyond the pale.
 
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Tell her that your name is Don Quixote and that the windmill down the street is actually a patriarchal ogre and then ride off on your trusty steed to do battle.

Honestly though, this individual is spiritually sick rather severely with possibly a fair share of mental issues to go with it. I wouldn’t get too deeply rattled by it. Say a prayer for her.
 
I cannot believe the uncharitable invective being directed at this person who expressed what I take to be her genuine religious beliefs. Sometimes I almost begin to believe that the Church has become tolerant and respectful of others. And then I see a thread like this. They are her beliefs! By all means argue against them. But personal abuse, dehumanising comments and plain nastiness is not (I understand) what Catholicism is meant to be about.
 
At least it is not like a Youtube comments section. Politcal correctness maybe.
 
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Please do not regard my words as attacking her person. They were said in kindness. I do believe she needs help to have such a distorted view.
 
Yeah, it’s so ridiculous that it actually sounds like a fake story from one of those alt right sites or a troll messing around with a Catholic… 😂

If it’s true, this person is in the teeny tiny minority because even radical feminists want nothing to do with the church beyond the random think pieces they write on a blog here and here, hahahaha. I’ve seen feminists talk about the Church’s oppression of women and it makes for interesting conversation but none of them actually believe in God so they don’t care about worshiping Mary as a goddess?

Better to not give them any attention or even talk about them tbh.

My type of catholic feminist (which is a lot more common): www.thecatholicfeministpodcast.com
 
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LittleFlower said:
You are ridiculing someone, and that isn’t Christian. Venting is okay but being completely void of compassion towards her is not okay.
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He’s in good company.

The Church Fathers had ZERO compassion or understanding for heresy.

They viciously attacked it, ridiculed it, and just annihilated it in every way possible.

They didn’t give heretics hugs and cuddles and confirmation of their heretical feelings… Look up what St. Nicholas did to the heresiarch Arius.
 
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I mean with any religion there are people who are ‘nominal’ members due to their birth and/or background, but don’t believe the tenets of the religion and maybe even are into crazy stuff instead. It’s not really worth worrying about unless they are in a position to exert extraordinary influence on others.
What is wrong with people today?
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I guarantee people were saying similar things back in 1968, fifty years ago, and thinking they were sublimely dangerous, radical and incisive ideas back then too. So it’s not entirely new.

If there are more today, it’s probably just because they are relatively speaking more people in academia, and the exchange of information (high and low value alike) is much more intensive and ubiquitous today.
 
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Wasn’t there a thread recently what is worse murder or leading souls astray?
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That’s a legitimate question.

Some Saints figured heresy was worse than murder because it kills the soul, and the soul can be condemned for eternity.
 
She does have a point though. People anonymously making fun of a heretic and making assumptions about her doesn’t really accomplish much and it’s not the same as Church fathers calling out heresy.

A holier way would be telling her that she’s wrong to her face, since that actually allows for conversation and a possible change of heart, compared to an anonymous thread about her, assuming that this person exists.

Personally, I would have no patience to correct her if she isn’t willing to talk about it.
 
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