My SD is against the Latin Mass

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We however, are neither Priest nor Bishop and should only touch the Blessed Sacrament when it is in danger of further profanation.
And is this the teaching of the Catholic Church? No it is not.

A person is free to take Communion on the tongue OR in the hand, kneeling or standing. As well you know.
The GIRM (General Instruction of the Roman Missal) for the New Mass tells us the Kneeling and on the Tongue is the most reverent and respected way of receiving Holy Communion.
Really? Can you quote the relevant part that explicitly states this.
Please Kneel no matter if the Mass if EF or OF!!
Again, it is a matter of personal choice. Both standing or kneeling are perfectly acceptable and permitted.
 
Really? Can you quote the relevant part that explicitly states this.
I believe that it is the general norm, however some episcopal conferences have obtained permission to allow both methods of reception.
Again, it is a matter of personal choice. Both standing or kneeling are perfectly acceptable and permitted.
Well it is at the OF anyway.
 
My worry is that a day will come, and it has began to arrive, when no priest or layman will remember the traditional rites and practices of the Church and will flee from them, misunderstanding them. I have talked to priests in this parish and others who have never seen a Latin mass or read any papal encyclicals before 1960.
 
And I can’t believe a priest would label people who receive Holy Communion kneeling and on the tongue as “mentally ill.” That’s highly-offensive and inflammatory, and actionable, IMO! I can’t believe that a diocese would allow such a person to continue to serve as a priest because of the risk that he will say or do something so offensive that the diocese might be sued.
There are more laity SD and others who persist in their rights-assertiveness rather than advice on spirituality. They are some downright obnoxious individuals who look at you with an evil eye if you stay in your pew rather than receive. It’s a personal insult against them, after all.

Mewonders why the OP needs a SP at all. It sounds like she already found her calling.
 
Christine85, Perhaps you ought to relax a bit and avoid too much ‘spiritual intensity’. God comes to us just as much when we are relaxed and simply enjoying what we have around us.
The OP is seriously upset about the way her spiritual director has spoken to her about communion on the tongue and attending a Latin Mass, so I think telling her to relax about the way she has been treated is discounting her feelings. She is not enjoying what is around her (her SD), which is why she posted. Also, criticizing the EF in a homily is in poor taste and does a diservice to not only the OP, but the Church as well. Not cool.

And can there really be “too much spiritual intensity?” I am sure many saints would disagree.
Mewonders why the OP needs a SP at all. It sounds like she already found her calling.
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I do not think the OP purposely posted to bait, but as you can see, already some “ugly” inappropriate responses are posted.
Someone could start a thread on ponies and someone would argue against it.
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I have a question. Granted, the extraordinary form Mass has its own beauty. But when the 2nd Vat. Council called for the reform of the Mass, what do you think it was referring to?

Certainly, things have gone way overboard to the point of ridiculousness and banality in some places, and in these cases, another reform is needed!

But, in your opinion, what are the changes that V2 was referring to? What do you think it was asking of us in regard to the Mass? What degree of submission to these ideals is expected of the faithful?

Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI suggested that both forms could be corrective of one another. IMO, both can be taken to extremes that are, quite frankly, narcissistic. One in the sense of “Look how holy we are, look how we know better than the Church”, the other “look how good we make each other feel, look how ‘with it’ we are”.

Why don’t we just follow the example given to us by the Church? The Papal Masses at the Vatican are not celebrated in the Extraordinary Form, nor are they examples of trying to make the Mass “relevant” with secular style music and priestly goofiness.

We sure have become a people of extremes.
 
Cat makes a good point, that it is very important not to base your decisions on your feelings. Sometimes feelings can point us to what is true, and other times they can be result of all of those factors she mentioned in her post. Try to not let yourself be guided by feelings - look objectively for the truth instead.

As I read the original post, it struck me that your description of your experiences are all about asking permission to do certain things, much like a child would ask a parent for permission. Formal spiritual direction is more useful for some people than for others, but if you’re not a priest or religious, you don’t NEED to find someone to be obedient to to direct you. Why do you need to ask a spiritual director for permission to attend an EF Mass, or to receive communion the way you prefer? Lots of people do those things and never ask for permission. Maybe my understanding of spiritual direction is not accurate, but it would seem to me that it shouldn’t be about asking for permission to do things, but about the SD helping you to understand, clarify, and think more critically about the issues that are facing you. Yes or no permissions, seems very parent-child, and doesn’t seem to respect your own authority as an adult.

That said, I could see a scenario where a SD would counsel someone not to go to the EF, or not to receive kneeling. For example, if the person being directed was struggling with pride about being holier than his fellow Catholics, or if the person was starting to deny the validity of the OF, it might make sense to guide a person to swallow their pride and receive like the others do, or to go to the OF to protect against going to the extreme. Sometimes what is fully allowed in the Church is not a good idea for an individual person, and a good spiritual director might see that and try to help you see that as well.

Now the words you used to describe the way your SD told you not to do those things make it seem as though they are coming from his own baggage, and not a sincere openness to helping your faith grow. If that is the case, then he’s not a very good SD, and I would also be disappointed to hear my emotional response to a negative situation turn into a homily.

If you’ve had a longstanding relationship with your SD and if he has helped you grow in your faith, and if he has helped you sort out the difference between feelings and truth, and if you have always trusted his opinions and approaches before, then give him another chance. Sit down and talk about your concerns, adult to adult. It could be that he is seeing a need in you that you aren’t seeing, and he’s not communicating it well. It could be that the way you are explaining things to him, you are giving him the wrong impression of what you experiencing and what you are asking. No way to know without clarifying.

Of course if you haven’t had a long, fruitful relationship with him, and if he hasn’t been particularly useful in helping you grow in your faith, and if you don’t trust his opinions, then maybe it would be better just to stop seeking direction from him.
 
Amazing. Just amazing. If a priest had said that the Novus Ordo was just emotionalism that tries to demystify the faith and that people who recieve standing in the hand are mentally ill, he would have been sacked. Yet this priest does that the other way around and it’s just fine. :mad:
Nobody said it is just fine. I haven’t read one post that said that.
 
Nobody said it is just fine. I haven’t read one post that said that.
I wasn’t referring to this forum, but to the fact that this priest probably has made such remarks before and nothing has been done.
 
I wasn’t referring to this forum, but to the fact that this priest probably has made such remarks before and nothing has been done.
Now THAT is jumping to a conclusion. Never mind, I see this is a very emotional thing for people, and it’s hard to discuss things when emotions are getting in the way of reality. I am not going any further with this.
 
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