My sister thinks a non-denomination christain church is the same as a Catholic church...help!

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My sister and brother-in-law are having their son baptized in the Catholic church. After this is done, they are considering joining a local non-denomination Christian church. My brother-in-law has my sister convinced that it is the same as a Catholic church. He feels that Christian is Christian, end of story.

I want to talk to my sister and let her know that a non-denominational Christian church is not the same as a Catholic church. I want nothing more than for my nephew to be raised Catholic, so I need some help in getting her to understand that there is a difference between the two churches. I am embarrassed that I do not know the difference, but I have never attended a non-denominational church and do not know where to go to look for answers.

Any information or books that anyone knows of and will share would be greatly appreciated. Thank you SO much for your time.
 
I met a pastor from a non-denominational Christian Church who said one of the smartest things regarding Christianity and it’s many varying branches I’ve ever heard.

“Eat the meat, leave the bones”

Yes there are differences and while you do hold an opinion that differs from theirs ask yourself, does it make a huge difference where he’s learning the teachings of Christ as long as he’s learning them and more importantly following them?
 
Then why are there they bothering to have him baptized as a Catholic? Remember that a lot of Protestants do not realize the necessity of baptism and feel that it is wrong to baptize an infant.
 
The best advice I could give is to try to arrange a meeting with you, your sister, and your parish priest. You may not be able to tell her the difference between churches but he can. This would be a good opportunity for you and your sister to learn something more about your own faith. The priest who is performing the baptism should also be aware that as of right now, the parents are not intending to raise the child in the Catholic faith.
 
Yes there are differences and while you do hold an opinion that differs from theirs ask yourself, does it make a huge difference where he’s learning the teachings of Christ as long as he’s learning them and more importantly following them?
All of the truth is much better than half of it. To understand the teachings of Christ means to truly love His Mother and seek Him through the Eucharist (which most Protestants do not view as anything more than a symbol and see it as just being bread and grape-juice). Following Christ means seeking the Truth, not following your own subjective opinions.
 
Yes there is quite a bit of diffence. To start off they do not have the eucharist. NOr do they have valid orders therefore they do not have the sacraments. Unlike the Catholic chruch were the teaching is the same world wide, the teaching of each non dom is that of its preacher he is pope of his church.

Yes they are christian, but they do not hold the fullness of the Faith.
 
Oh boy!

I hope your sister realizes that many non-denominational churches believe that infant baptism is bad, and I would even say wrong. They believe in “believer’s baptisms” where a child has to be of an age where they understand what it means to have faith, and can express it them selves. They don’t believe in confirmation.

I started out as a non-denominational Christian because I was sick of the labels with Christianity and just wanted to be “Christian.” Unfortunately (of fortunately) I learned that “Christian isn’t just Christian.” There are various dogmatic differences between many churches, and these culminate to huge differences in beliefs.

Does your sister know that non-denominational churches don’t believe in observing or celebrating anything other than Easter and Christmas? Anything other than that are considered “traditions of man,” and are otherwise bad. Tradition isn’t practiced, nor is it respected because it’s “man-made.” I once talked to a friend who was non-denominational about Lent and Ash Wednesday, and she had no idea about either one of those days. There is no Lent, Advent, Feast Days, etc.

What does all of that mean? It means that faith-life is not observed and celebrated in the same way. As Catholics for instance, Advent and Lent are meant to be spiritual journeys, filled with reflection, conscious awareness of the days coming up (Christmas and Easter), and during the process we may practice other traditions. During Lent, we abstain from eating meat because it’s a symbolic representation, and faith practice of sacrifice. Many non-denominational Christians would say “where in the Bible does it say that?” and then point out that it’s a “man-made” practice.

Non-denominational churches also come up with their own rules and beliefs. I could easily do a comparison between the belief systems just by looking at a few non-denominational churches in my area. Some churches will tell you that it’s A-Okay to have an abortion because it’s a “decision between you, your doctor, and God,” and some churches will say no. Some churches will emphasize the submission aspect of a wife while exalting a husband to a god-like status, and some churches outright dismiss submission/headship and instead say “it’s all equal.” I personally think the Catholic Church takes a moderate and reasonable view on that teaching.

Many non-denominational churches are actually part of the “Restoration Movement” of churches, where they believe they are going back to the “original” church practices and teachings of early 1-4th century churches. In other words, it means low liturgy or none at all, very loose structure of church services, and oftentimes Elders of the church authorities are the ones who make the decisions of what the church believes. There is usually overlap between non-denominational churches, Pentecostal, Assemblies of God, Church of Christ, and Baptist churches, but non-denominational does not ascribe to any label because they simply wish to be “Christian.” But they still have the label of non-denominational.

I would really urge your sister to have her husband take a look at the church’s website, take a look at the beliefs, mission, etc. and compare that to what Catholics are called to believe. There is a huge enough gap to fill in the pond between the UK and the US! Not to mention-- and I’ve heard of this happening before, and talked to people who’ve done this-- if your sister and her family decide to stay with that church after her son is baptized, when he gets older the church may push them to get “re-baptized” because infant baptisms are invalid baptisms according to many of these churches. I know a lady who was raised Catholic, became Baptist, and got herself and her entire family re-baptized because she doesn’t believe that the Catholic Church is a Christian church.
 
All of the truth is much better than half of it.
True, but it doesn’t answer the question. Let me rephrase it… do you (the OP) or anyone for that matter think that God cares specifically how you follow the teachings of Christ? Do you think that God will condemn all Christians who are not Catholic?

Yes it’s all celebrated and observed in a wide variety of different ways but it sounds as if you feel that if you are Christian but not Catholic then you may not be accepted into heaven because you “didn’t do it right”.
Non-denominational churches also come up with their own rules and beliefs.
I would however agree that this is a concern (though I think it’s wrong to assume they all do) and should definitely be looked into when choosing a church to make sure you agree with it’s beliefs.
 
True, but it doesn’t answer the question. Let me rephrase it… do you (the OP) or anyone for that matter think that God cares specifically how you follow the teachings of Christ? Do you think that God will condemn all Christians who are not Catholic?

Yes it’s all celebrated and observed in a wide variety of different ways but it sounds as if you feel that if you are Christian but not Catholic then you may not be accepted into heaven because you “didn’t do it right”.

I would however agree that this is a concern (though I think it’s wrong to assume they all do) and should definitely be looked into when choosing a church to make sure you agree with it’s beliefs.
The main concern is that the sister and the husband want to undertake the task of baptizing their child in the Catholic Church. That isn’t a decision that should be done willy-nilly, because the parents are specifically asked to make and keep promises, along with the godparents. That’s almost similar to the people who on their wedding days, say they’ll be open to having children but then go off about how they never really wanted to be parents and never ever get pregnant in their whole lives. Huh? How does that work? It doesn’t.

The issue here is that the sister needs to consider whether joining a non-denominational church, as a Catholic, and also as baptizing her son as a Catholic, is really the best decision. I personally believe that the Catholic Church is the fullest embodiment of the Truth and there is no way I would want to leave it now that I’ve become a Catholic. I’ve also been to non-denominational churches. You could go to one non-denom church, and then another, and it’s like attending two completely different churches with different beliefs. I know most Catholic churches are perfect, but they are all bound to the same set of beliefs, principles, theology, liturgy, etc. You will not have that in a non-denominational church.
 
True, but it doesn’t answer the question. Let me rephrase it… do you (the OP) or anyone for that matter think that God cares specifically how you follow the teachings of Christ? Do you think that God will condemn all Christians who are not Catholic?

Yes it’s all celebrated and observed in a wide variety of different ways but it sounds as if you feel that if you are Christian but not Catholic then you may not be accepted into heaven because you “didn’t do it right”.

I would however agree that this is a concern (though I think it’s wrong to assume they all do) and should definitely be looked into when choosing a church to make sure you agree with it’s beliefs.
Does God care how you follow the teachings of Christ?

You mean like the teaching that He established a Church?

You mean like the teaching that He gave His Church the Keys to the Kingdom?

You mean like the teaching that He gave His priest the power to forgive sins?

You mean like the teaching that He gave His own Body and Blood in communion?

You mean like the teaching that you must be Baptized?

We cannot judge who and who will not go to heaven but we do know that Jesus’ teachings were about how normally we would go to heaven and that was through the Church He established, the Catholic Church.
 
I am embarrassed that I do not know the difference, but I have never attended a non-denominational church and do not know where to go to look for answers.

Thank you SO much for your time.
Don’t be embarrassed. It wasn’t explained to me until I was 44 years old.

The Catholic Church can be traced directly to the original Apostles. The apostles were given authority by Jesus Christ to do certain things. Remember that Jesus Christ -is- God and so the Apostle’s authority to do these things came from God himself. Among the things Jesus gave the Apostles authority to do were forgive sins, intepret his teachings and teach others, heal the sick, establish new Churches and reprimand and discipline those who refused to obey Christs commandments.

The authority granted to the Apostles was meant to be handed down through the generations. Jesus did not come to earth, grant authority to the Apostles, die for our sins, rise from the dead and ascend into Heaven only to have the authority granted to the Apostles die with them. The Apostles took this authority and granted it to others, men whome were strong in their faith, good leaders and not afraid to teach and spread the word of God in the face of persecution. The handing down of that authority has continued throughout history, for twenty centuries, and the successor to those original Apostles who walked with Jesus are today’s Bishops of the Holy Catholic Church.

No other Church has authority granted to it by God. No other Church was established by Jesus Christ himself. It’s just that simple.

Why anyone would want to leave a Church which was established by Jesus Christ himself and which has been in existence for two thousand years to go to a Church started by some guy who got a mail order theology degree in six months is difficult for me to understand. Many of these Churches have great a great “Worship experience” and that is what I think attracts many people. But your sister and brother-inlaw need to ask themselves if they are here to “Experience” worship or to live according to the way God wants us to live, including worship at the Church which he established in ways that he himself taught us.

I hope I’ve helped in some way and will pray for your sister, brother-inlaw and thier child.

-Tim-
 
True, but it doesn’t answer the question. Let me rephrase it… do you (the OP) or anyone for that matter think that God cares specifically how you follow the teachings of Christ?
Yes, otherwise why would He have bothered to found the Catholic Church and give us Peter as our first Pope? If God just wanted us to wing it on our own, He would have left us to do just that, rather than giving us a Church and commanding us to be baptized into it.
Do you think that God will condemn all Christians who are not Catholic?
God’s judgement will be both righteous and fair - the question is not “Will I go to Hell at some point in the future,” but rather, “Am I doing what I know to be God’s will for me today in this moment, right now?”
I would however agree that this is a concern (though I think it’s wrong to assume they all do) and should definitely be looked into when choosing a church to make sure you agree with it’s beliefs.
Actually, when choosing a Church, you want to make sure that it follows the teachings of Christ. What you or I happen to agree with has nothing to do with it - we go to Church to learn how to follow the will of God; not to be affirmed in our own self-deceptions. The ways of a man are always right in his own eyes, but it is the LORD who renders the final judgement.
 
My sister and brother-in-law are having their son baptized in the Catholic church. After this is done, they are considering joining a local non-denomination Christian church. My brother-in-law has my sister convinced that it is the same as a Catholic church. **He feels that Christian is Christian, end of story. **

I want to talk to my sister and let her know that a non-denominational Christian church is not the same as a Catholic church. I want nothing more than for my nephew to be raised Catholic, so I need some help in getting her to understand that there is a difference between the two churches. I am embarrassed that I do not know the difference, but I have never attended a non-denominational church and do not know where to go to look for answers.

Any information or books that anyone knows of and will share would be greatly appreciated. Thank you SO much for your time.
If Christian is Christian,then why baptize the child Catholic,then turn around and go to a non-denominational church? I thought Christian is Christian? Evidently Christian IS NOT Christian.
 
It’s Michelle’s first post. She asked for an explanation of why the Catholic Church is different, better, most excellent.

Sarcastic remarks and arguments about going to Hell are more likely run her off to the local non-denominational Church than to bring her family back into Peter’s net.

-Tim-
 
My sister and brother-in-law are having their son baptized in the Catholic church. After this is done, they are considering joining a local non-denomination Christian church. My brother-in-law has my sister convinced that it is the same as a Catholic church. He feels that Christian is Christian, end of story.

I want to talk to my sister and let her know that a non-denominational Christian church is not the same as a Catholic church. I want nothing more than for my nephew to be raised Catholic, so I need some help in getting her to understand that there is a difference between the two churches. I am embarrassed that I do not know the difference, but I have never attended a non-denominational church and do not know where to go to look for answers.

Any information or books that anyone knows of and will share would be greatly appreciated. Thank you SO much for your time.
I’ve read a few of the answers on this thread from different people and some of them are good - informative.

However, my approach (if I were you, and I’m not) is Keep it Simply Simple.

Logically, a [non-denominational church] is what it is…non-denominational. Catholicism is a denomination. How can the Catholic church be the same as a non-catholic church?

Two: The Catholic church is the original church that Christ intended to exist after His Ascension into heaven and of which He left Peter as it’s first pope…264 popes later to Pope Benedict XVI…and the gates of hell have not and will not prevail against her.

B: Catholics are the original Christians! Therefore christian is christian end of story] is at best inaccurate. At worse pseudo-christian dis-information aimed at confusing individuals hungry for the truth.

III. You don’t need to attend a “non-denominational church” to know that the Eucharist is not there. The Eucharist, which is truly and really the body of Christ is only present because of the consecration by a duly ordained priest.

I know , I know…sometimes the simplest things are the ones that escape our minds in a pinch.

My suggestion is to remember these points and especially “Two”…learn it by heart.

Vaya con Dios my friend.
 
We cannot judge who and who will not go to heaven but we do know that Jesus’ teachings were about how normally we would go to heaven and that was through the Church He established, the Catholic Church.
I have, on numerous occasions pointed out that I’m not entirely familiar with Catholic theology, I’m still learning. So the rest of your post is quite informative for me… however…

That does not answer the question. It actually avoids it entirely. I’m not saying God’s leaving it to you to judge… but you as a man with God’s gift of free will are entitled to an opinion. Do you think that someone who is not Catholic is automatically not going to Heaven?

In other words, while Michelle has reason for concern is that reason that her family will not be accepted into Heaven?
 
I have, on numerous occasions pointed out that I’m not entirely familiar with Catholic theology, I’m still learning. So the rest of your post is quite informative for me… however…

That does not answer the question. It actually avoids it entirely. I’m not saying God’s leaving it to you to judge… but you as a man with God’s gift of free will are entitled to an opinion. Do you think that someone who is not Catholic is automatically not going to Heaven?
If at the time of their Baptism they did not know and had no way of finding out that the Catholic Church is the Church that Christ established for us to belong to, and if during their life they never find this out and never have the opportunity or the means to find this out (e: they live in an entrenched Protestant area with no Catholic churches available, no TV, no Internet, no radio, no books, and no other kind of outside communication), and if they never committed any mortal sin for which Confession to a Catholic priest would be required, then they would be able to go to Heaven. Apart from that, the chances are very low.
In other words, while Michelle has reason for concern is that reason that her family will not be accepted into Heaven?
Yes, she has.

By having their child baptized in the Catholic Church it shows that they are aware of the existence of the Catholic Church. They therefore have a realistic opportunity to find out that it is the Church that Christ established. So, on the Judgement Day, they will not be found “not guilty by reason of impenetrable ignorance.”
 
Logically, a [non-denominational church] is what it is…non-denominational. Catholicism is a denomination. How can the Catholic church be the same as a non-catholic church?
Actually, we are NOT a denomination. We are the Church Christ instituted, not denominated from it in schism.

From the Catholic perspective, “non-denominational” churches are as much a denomination as any other Protestant church is.

Wikipedia (surprisingly) has a very good definition:
Denominationalism is the division of one religion into separate groups, sects, schools of thought or denominations. Denominationalism as an ideology which views some or all Christian groups as being, in some sense, versions of the same thing regardless of their distinguishing labels, is not accepted by all Christian churches. The Catholic and Orthodox Churches do not use this term as its implication of interchangeability does not agree with their theological teachings. Denominationalism is a largely Protestant concept among Christians.
This topic was also addressed in Ask an Apologist.
 
Actually, we are NOT a denomination. We are the Church Christ instituted, not denominated from it in schism.

From the Catholic perspective, “non-denominational” churches are as much a denomination as any other Protestant church is.

Wikipedia (surprisingly) has a very good definition:

This topic was also addressed in Ask an Apologist.
Well there you go.

thank you.
 
My sister and brother-in-law are having their son baptized in the Catholic church. After this is done, they are considering joining a local non-denomination Christian church. My brother-in-law has my sister convinced that it is the same as a Catholic church. He feels that Christian is Christian, end of story.

I want to talk to my sister and let her know that a non-denominational Christian church is not the same as a Catholic church. I want nothing more than for my nephew to be raised Catholic, so I need some help in getting her to understand that there is a difference between the two churches. I am embarrassed that I do not know the difference, but I have never attended a non-denominational church and do not know where to go to look for answers.

Any information or books that anyone knows of and will share would be greatly appreciated. Thank you SO much for your time.
See Lutherlic’s comments on [denomination]. It is very informative and lends weight to the fact that the Catholic church stands apart as unique.
 
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