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I feel odd about posting this. I just really need to talk and receive some positive feedback because I feel so stuck.

It goes like this… In my opinion, I was never the greatest person. I was always extremely liberal, hated church, loved the paranormal and macabre, and pretty anti-Catholic. Yet I always believed in God, and usually prayed. My mom was/is wonderful, but she’s a very radical Catholic, and radical Catholics tend to portray God as a tyrant (and maybe they’re right, I don’t know). In high school I discovered British lit, poetry, drama, masterpiece theatre, beat poetry…and fell in love. I once had a teacher who, when asked about his religious beliefs, said “Shakespeare is my religion.” That’s kind of how it was for me. Jane Eyre was my positive female example, and Byron was my free-thinking idol. I went to a Catholic Univ for nursing, and worked in a wonderful old library with awesome people. During my nursing education I realised that I need God’s help in order to give patients the care that they need. I saw suffering, death, and heard stories of near death experiences from other nurses. All of this really made me question my beliefs. I also have an Uncle who is sick, and he is so afraid of death. I keep thinking “if he’s that scared of death, a good person like him, IMAGINE what it’s going to be like for me, a person who is most likely going downwards after death!” I graduated, passed my boards, and now I’m starting to read about my faith. I have to be honest, the things that I am reading terrify me. I am becoming more sad, confused, and angry then ever before. I was happier in ignorance.

I always thought the ten commandments were rather straightforward. They’re not. They encompass just about everything and anything. It’s hard to distinguish between what is and what is not sin, what’s mortal and what’s venial. Things I never even thought were close to sinful, are actual sins. Like eating for reasons other than survival, telling my grandma that I like her gift when it’s the ugliest thing in all creation. Art, poetry, drama, literature, music, movies are all sins. I read that even non-sexual love poetry is always at least venially sinful. WHAT? I have a book called This is the Faith. It says that suggestive/immodest movies, songs, dances, films, poems, novels are forbidden. Well, that eliminates just about all art that’s not God centered. It eliminates even Shakespeare. Sin is an essential component of most art, without it you do not even have Disney films. And then I discovered the Songs of Solomon…so I’m, yet again, confused.

Women are supposed to SUBMIT to their husbands and be pregnant every 12-18 months, and trust that God will provide. WHAT? That’s just anti-woman.

It’s a sin to read anti-Catholic books. That eliminates most history books.

What about the INDEX? Alexander Dumas? Hugo? Defoe? Books on economics? Biology? WHAT?

It seems to me, that in order to be good, you need to live in the desert, be poor, and simple in mind. The pursuit of education and art is not virtuous in any way, unless it is God-cenetered.

I guess it just comes down to the fact that I love the world. I like buying things, I love my immoral friends, I like idle chat and laughter, I love movies, jokes, cards, music, art, and lit, I’m anti-censorship (for the most part), I like learning about Pagan cultures, I love freethinkers, I like food, etc. I like being happy. My mom says I should throw out Fr. Ripley’s book because it’s making me upset, but that won’t fix it. She needs to know what her own religion teaches. She also says I should focus on the “spirit” of things and the good, not “the letter of the law.” I’m a nurse, my mind doesn’t work that way, things need to be exact when high stakes are involved. As for the good, well, it’s hard to find. I always thought the words of Byron, Shelley, Poe, Alcott, Bronte, Burns were good…

If this chaotic post has offended anyone, it was not my intention and I am truly sorry. I’m so confused, and unhappy. I would really appreciate some positive feedback, advice, and prayers (and I’ll pray for you also). I’ve only ever known one Catholic in my age group, and we are not friends. I’m sort of alone in this quest.

 
Maybe you should try a different book. I haven’t read “This Is the Faith”, but it sounds as if you have a very oversimplified view of things.
Eating for sensual pleasure only is a sin. That lets you eat to be nice to someone who cooked for you, to prepare ahead of time for a long workday, to be healthy, or to celebrate an occasion with others. The Bible actually contains God’s commands that people eat to celebrate.
Husbands and wives are to submit mutually to one another. Yes, there is a greater command for submission on the wife’s part, but it is easy to submit to someone who is also submitted to you. As for pregnancy, a married couple trying to conceive will take six months to a year to conceive if the wife is not breastfeeding. It takes on average 20 times longer if she is breastfeeding (meaning that most women don’t get pregnant at all during that time and a few do). Pioneer women, motivated by the prospect of wealth if they had large families because of government policies, had typically seven to eight known pregnancies in a lifetime. That’s about one every three-and-a-half years. They were healthy and trying to conceive as often as possible. Again, that’s an average – some had more, some fewer, some none. A grave financial or health reason can justify natural family planning, which now has a high effectiveness rate.
 
Oh yeah – The Song of Solomon or Song of Songs is a love poem. It’s right around Proverbs in the Bible. Check it out.👍
 
Do you ever watch EWTN? Or…listen to Catholic Answers Live on Catholic radio?
I would surround myself with the teachings you would hear on those medias.
Also, EWTN.com has many wonderful lectures on every possible Catholic topic. Simply go to ewtn.com , then library, then click on audio library.
I am not familiar with Fr. Ripley but your mother’s advice sounds valid at this point in your Catholic studies. There are so many points you mentioned that are not Catholic teachings.
Shakespeare is excellent literature. In fact, on EWTN tv there is a Shakespeare series. It was very likely that Shakespeare was Catholic but had to hide his religion for fear of persecution.
Eating for pleasure is a wonderful activity…in moderation, of course.
Being kind to a grandma who does not have good taste is never sinful.
The Catholic church is not against “obstaining” from marital relations during fertile periods. The church is against “artificial” birth control.
I am glad you like “laughter”. Mother Angelica of EWTN was always joking. I recommend watching some of her Tuesday shows onEWTN.
Also, read some of Stephen Ray’s books. I think you would enjoy anything written by Peter Kreeft, Patrick Madrid, or even “Catholicism for Dummies” . Actually, “Catholicism for Dummies” might be a good one to start with because it is gentle and very basic. Always have the catechism by your side, too.
 
It’s also OK to read anti-Catholic literature provided you do so to evaluate it. Catholic Answers actually has several pages devoted to critiquing such materials and the authors had to read the anti-Catholic literature to critique it. Books on history, biology and economics aren’t intrinsically anti-Catholic – they helped me to find the Church, in fact. Even the ones designed to be slanted against Catholicism eventually let slip some facts that support Church teachings, if you read long enough.😃 And of course there are textbooks and best-sellers full of anti-Catholic propaganda; in the former case, academia tends to put down most rival sources of authority, at least where I live. In the latter case, sensationalism sells better than reality, and it always did; something about itching ears.:ouch:
Shakespeare is good. Science is good. Read the publisher’s page and see where your information is coming from no matter what you read.
 
Welcome to the forums. It sounds like the Holy Spirit has entered your heart and you are seeking the truth. Life is a pilgrimage to God. Each of us has our own way of getting there and usually rely on others to help. I struggle with some of the same issues that you struggle with.

There are three things that I recommend that you begin to do, if you are not already doing so: 1. Go to Mass regularly and even daily 2. Go to confession 3. Pray the Rosary daily. Once you do these often, I think you will want to learn more about the Catholic Church teachings. Have you read about our beliefs and understand why we believe? What about going to an RCIA class to learn more or join a bible study.

In my opinion, you are looking at certain things from a very hard line perspective. If you read a non-Catholic book, can you determine what causes it to be against Church teaching? It is what you take away from the book which could be sinful not necessarily that you read the book. (There are definitely books, movies with behaviors, actions that are truly mortal sins and should not be included in one’s life). There are lots of great books on Saints that are historically correct – Edith Stein, Maximilian Kolbe, Therese of Liseaux, Ignatius of Loyola. There are also movies which have good messages.

As for woman being submissive to her husband to make babies??? You are a bit mis- guided on the theology of marriage. There is not enough room here to get into this, but briefly man and woman are created equal in dignity to each other. Woman submits to her husband as the head of the family, just as the Church submits to Christ who is the bridegroom and Head of the Church.

I will pray that your journey begins with Christ as your guiding light and Mary, His Mother, as your intercessor.
 
When I first became a Christian, for the first couple years I really loved the world, and didn’t see why Christians talk against it…

but I found that the more I prayed, and later went to Eucharistic Adoration, the more my mind changed. I think as we begin to love God more and more, we begin to start wanting to stay away from anything that’s not of Him. We just lose interest in those things. I don’t miss them at all, though in high school they meant A LOT to me. I found so much more joy in just being with God…I couldn’t really see that before.

I think that our minds as well as our souls need to be renewed.

That being said, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with going to the movies or reading classical literature, I still like those things, I hang out with my friends, go to the mall, etc… but I find that none of those things really fill my heart. And they never truly did, though I thought they did. And whenever something anti Christian or anti Catholic comes up, it just doesn’t appeal to me…

God bless
 
I am currently reading “Rome Sweet Home” by Scott Hahn… This book talks about his conversion from the Presbyterian Church to Catholicism… I highly recommend this book! Made me love the Catholic Church even more…

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Hahn
 
Dear Lady Maria, it sounds like you’ve got a book that represents the perspective of one priest but not of the Catholic Church. There are many parts of it that you’ve described which are definitely not Catholic teachings. For instance, items you mentioned that are not Catholic teaching include:
  1. Eating for reasons other than survival.
  2. Art, poetry, drama, literature, music, movies, including even non-sexual love poetry.
  3. As regards the telling your grandmother you like her gift, by all means do so, but think of some reason why you like it that is honest, even if it’s a very small thing about it that you like. It’s important not to lie, but it’s possible to be honest without telling everything you think ;). It’s not Catholic teaching that you have to bop her on the head with the full truth; you’re encouraged to be truthful but kind about it, and you don’t have to tell the whole truth of what you’re thinking or feeling. You can say you like it while thinking only of the texture of the fabric or its color or smell or whatever; then you’d honestly be thinking of something about it you like, but you don’t have to tell her everything. It is important not to lie, but it’s not necessary to tell everything.
  4. Women are not required to be pregnant every 12-18 months. Such an idea is insane. I’ve never heard of it. Women are required to submit to their husbands, but as survive wisely posted, “Yes, there is a greater command for submission on the wife’s part, but it is easy to submit to someone who is also submitted to you.” Men are also commanded to be willing to give up their lives for their wives if need be. That’s the level of devotion commanded of husbands. It’s definitely not a one-way road here.
  5. I expect it’s only a sin to read anti-Catholic books if you’re reading them out of doubt for the faith. Reading books with a negative slant on Catholicism is not wrong so far as I’ve heard. I think another poster here said it’s fine to read them for evaluation purposes. The point is that one should surrender to God in faith, so if one is reading anti-Catholic books without faith, there’s a problem. If one is reading them with faith, though, there shouldn’t be one.
I think you’ve been reading a pretty heavily wrong book about Catholicism. However, I will say that a lot of the things of the world cease to be desirable, the closer you get to God. Your love for God makes other things suddenly unable to occupy as large a place in your life because God supplants them with Himself. Then your life becomes more loving, more pure and more holy. It is an entirely wonderful thing God does for His followers, as they grow in deeper union with Him.

As for immodest garb and such in art and elsewhere . . . People should step away from suggestive or immodest content in films or art if it negatively affects their minds. For me, it does, so I stay clear of it and encourage other men I know to do so as well. I know women tend to be less sexually crazy than men are, though, speaking generally, so I don’t know what things are like in their heads and don’t try to advise them about this. It is important for everyone not to think impure thoughts, though, and many elements of modern culture are designed to create impure thoughts. To live a pure lifestyle, sometimes it is necessary to separate oneself from things one has loved. I’ve abandoned many of my favorite movies because they had a bad effect on my mind. We can’t just do whatever we like; we have to put God first and He will lead us to what He likes, and over time we’ll find that what He likes is better for us and more desirable than anything else that we wanted.

I don’t know what things are like for women as far as sexual excitement goes, so I can only advise that you stay away from whatever causes impure thoughts in you.
I guess it just comes down to the fact that I love the world. I like buying things, I love my immoral friends, I like idle chat and laughter, I love movies, jokes, cards, music, art, and lit, I’m anti-censorship (for the most part), I like learning about Pagan cultures, I love freethinkers, I like food, etc. I like being happy.
The Catholic Church doesn’t destroy all that. Many of us are well educated about pagan cultures or have non-Catholic or immoral friends, and like things in the world very much. I for one have written a historical fiction book set in 240 BC, North Africa, so I’ve done a lot of study on pagan cultures.

I would just remind you, though, that all these pleasures are passing. Eventually we’ll be dead and none of the things you mentioned will be there any more for us. What will we have with us still at that point? Ourselves. Our souls will remain with us, and nothing we had in life will be with us. These things also could be stripped away from you at any moment if you get into an accident or there’s a natural disaster or anything else. Life is crazy and the afterlife certainly won’t keep these things with you. At the end, we will be before God with only our souls left over. As Jesus said in the Gospels, “What can a man give in exchange for his soul?” In the end, that’s all he’s got left, so that’s what we need to nourish and build. And there is no way to do this but to unite the soul with God and commit ourselves wholly to Him, giving Him all our possessions that we might be stewards of them for Him, and giving Him the first place in all our lives.

God isn’t a tyrant or a bully like the book you’re reading appears to make out. So while the things you mentioned about the world aren’t all bad, and you can keep participating in them (though free thinking that contradicts God and spreads errors about true doctrine is bad). You can keep enjoying these things of the world. Remember that Jesus went to a wedding in Cana and rejoiced there. He even was the maker of the party; He turned water into wine when the resources for their pleasures ran out!

God must be first, but that doesn’t mean everything else must be thrown out. Enjoy your life, and live it for God.
 
Hi there again! Thanks for responding. You are all so nice. 🙂 I know my post was all over the blackboard, please bear with me! I’ve been going through a lot during the past few weeks in addition to my quarter life crisis (haha). Not everything mentioned in my post was from that book. I’ve been reading multiple books. I know that there is going to be difference of opinion in any institution that has been around 2,000 years, but it’s really hard trying to sort things out. On the one hand, you have Catholics that are a lot like Puritans, Catholics who doubt Vatican II and think all non-Catholics are not saved, and then Catholics who just believe “everything in moderation.” Some of the Catechisms differ also. In regard to anti-Catholic books, one says it’s a sin to read one, the other says that it’s not a sin, just a danger. Personally, I’ve always felt that in regard to, well, just about anything, but especially books, the sin is in your heart, not the book…which someone alluded to above. I’ve read Anglo-Protestant books that have actually made me feel closer to God. Anytime you read Brit lit you will most likely come across anti-Catholic bias.

Wow, I’m shallow. 🙂

P.S. I just realised that my ID might sound offensive…I didn’t mean it to be, it’s just my name.
 
How exactly does one put God first?

What if your friends are horrible blasphemers?
 
The real information is in the Catechism, the Papal Encyclicals and Code of Canon Law. Disagreement that falls within those bounds is individual opinion. Disagreement outside them is disobedience, for anyone who has the means to find out what the Church teaches.
If your friends blaspheme, you should ask them not to and say it offends you. Of course that’s hard. A short frown or refusing to laugh at a bad joke is somewhere to start – then they will probably get angry and demand that you give them the feedback they want. Then you can ask why they said what they said. If they scream at you, you can just say you didn’t think it was funny. I’ve been screamed at for being far subtler than that. It just demonstrates that they noticed. They hear the statement.
 
If that is what you’ve learned about being a Catholic it’s no wonder why you wouldn’t want to be one. Yikes! If you want to read & learn start with the Catechism and the Rosary. Then you can begin to sift a lot of that garbage out.
 
Much of the material in the Catechism is pretty vague though. I suppose, when it comes down to the little, practical matters, it’s up to the individual to decide. Are what constitutes mortal and venial sins, for the most part, an indivdual’s best guess?
 
Hi LdyMaria–

Welcome! Glad to have you hear seeking answers.

As the late, great Pope John Paul II liked to remind us, “Be not afraid”! You don’t have to have everything figured out today, so try and enjoy the journey. Wherever God leads you, it’s never boring!!

Congratulations on finishing nursing school and passing your boards. I’m also a nurse. I remembered when I first started, I prayed every time I went to work, “Dear God, I know I will mess up, but please don’t let me kill anybody!” I know what you mean by thinking you need God’s help to do this work. I wish all nurses realized this.

I can only express to you the great freedom and joy I have found in Catholicism. My faith brought me to a deeper understanding of life through reading than I would ever have known had I not pursued God. Trust me, the Catholic Church understands that grace is built on nature–God uses the intellect, emotions, and desires He gave us to bring us closer to Him. It’s just that there is always an enemy trying to distort truth, mess with our emotions, and give us disordered desires.

I have friends who aren’t where I am spiritually. Some are pretty vulgar, some are outright atheists. I still love them. I much more enjoy my friends with whom I share a spiritual connection though. That’s just how things progress when You are drawn to the Light. You desire more and more and more of it. As a natural consequence, you desire less and less of what is in direct opposition to it.

Please do check out the Catechism (the current edition). It will most precisely reveal the world of Catholicism. And I recommend reading the Bible–especially the Gospels. No better way to get to know Jesus!!

I’ll keep you in my prayers.

In Christ,
Teri
 
Hi there again! Thanks for responding. You are all so nice. 🙂 I know my post was all over the blackboard, please bear with me! I’ve been going through a lot during the past few weeks in addition to my quarter life crisis (haha). Not everything mentioned in my post was from that book. I’ve been reading multiple books. I know that there is going to be difference of opinion in any institution that has been around 2,000 years, but it’s really hard trying to sort things out. On the one hand, you have Catholics that are a lot like Puritans, Catholics who doubt Vatican II and think all non-Catholics are not saved, and then Catholics who just believe “everything in moderation.” Some of the Catechisms differ also. In regard to anti-Catholic books, one says it’s a sin to read one, the other says that it’s not a sin, just a danger. Personally, I’ve always felt that in regard to, well, just about anything, but especially books, the sin is in your heart, not the book…which someone alluded to above. I’ve read Anglo-Protestant books that have actually made me feel closer to God. Anytime you read Brit lit you will most likely come across anti-Catholic bias.

Wow, I’m shallow. 🙂

P.S. I just realised that my ID might sound offensive…I didn’t mean it to be, it’s just my name.
I agree with you that the sin is in the heart, not in the book… I think there are certain books that it’s best for us not to read cause they might lead us astray, but I think classical books and such are fine! I read poetry myself…and Shakespeare…and others. I also read CS Lewis, who wasn’t a Catholic. I also read Catholic Saints books too.
How exactly does one put God first?

What if your friends are horrible blasphemers?
I have friends who are atheists, agnostics, who lead totally different lives than me and have different values, and a few of them tend to make jokes about God and spiritual things… we’re still friends though, and I just pray for them. I don’t try to be like them, I’m just myself. If they ask me about my faith, I’m open about it. First it was a little awkward, but they now accept it as part of who I am.

I think we just put God first by caring more about His will than about our will, or about what the world says… but unless you have a religious vocation, you don’t have to leave the world, - be in it, but not of it, as it says in Scripture… there’s nothing wrong with reading secular books, etc, and it’s alright to like food and to have fun… just don’t let that stuff take God’s place, don’t make an idol of it. I think what we’re called to, is just to live for God where we are. whether you’re in church, or in school, or with a bunch of friends watching a movie, or whatever.

God bless
 
As we grow in the Faith we find the things we loved in the past more and more distasteful… and this in a genuine spiritual way…

We can find the good in them still, but it is normally a lesser good to the spiritual goods we have now found revealed by God… and other ‘goods’ we found in them turn out to be evils, normally due to carnality and disrespect to the sacred…

Proceeding as it all does from a non-God centered world view, it fails to give credit towards whom credit is all due, it fails to directly acknowledge what all goods directly point towards and owe their existence to.

I find as a Catholic, myself divesting myself of much of the entertainment I liked in the past, because I discover more and more the flaws in it, and how it is either a waste of time or an occasion of sin.

For someone just beginning however, to do this depends on your faith and love of God. It depends on the spiritual joy you take out of serving Him and your confidence that He is the best above all else.

The world does not acknowledge God directly in its art and media as a norm. This is a problem. This is also why we are told ‘you cannot serve both God and the world’.

However, never fear, spiritual joys, rewards and entertainments are far more rewarding than the worldly ones! They truly are… if you are willing to purge yourself to enter into them… in other words have Faith that you have to give up some things that are painful to give up for a reward that will perhaps take a little time to be received.

If you do not give up worldly happinesses you will not receive spiritual joys for long and wonder why they disappear so fleetingly – in vain until you come to the answer of giving up your other pleasures first and without guarantees.
 
How exactly does one put God first?
A week or 2 ago, our priest said we can be sure we are putting God first if we
put the needs and desires of others ahead of the needs and desires of ourself…
 
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