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The main thing holding me back right now, what I’m actually crying about it is what about all the Protestants I know, the pastors and worship leaders I respect? The idea that they’re not following Jesus correctly and could be headed for hell makes me just about physically sick. :imsorry:
Well…what do you want to do about them?

As Catholics…we do not pray for their damnation…we pray for their salvation and their discovery of the truth of Catholicism.

Let us say you convert…how or what is the best way to witness to them?

Isn’t your new found faith…your growth in holiness, in humility, in other virtues, the best witness to them about the truth of the Catholic faith?
 
David, if they are following God to the best of their abilities, to the best of their knowledge, then they are not going to hell. You are worrying needlessly. Work on your relationship with God. Please trust in God. He loves you and he loves them

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Back and forth, back and forth, back and forth…

The main thing holding me back right now, what I’m actually crying about it is what about all the Protestants I know, the pastors and worship leaders I respect? The idea that they’re not following Jesus correctly and could be headed for hell makes me just about physically sick.
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The main thing holding me back right now, what I’m actually crying about it is what about all the Protestants I know, the pastors and worship leaders I respect? The idea that they’re not following Jesus correctly and could be headed for hell makes me just about physically sick. :imsorry:
Don’t presume to put yourself in the Judgement Seat that is reserved to Christ alone. The Church has never declared that someone is definitively in hell, and never will, as that is not the Church’s place. That judgement belongs to Christ. And the Church teaches that even those outside the Church, if they are striving to follow God as best they know how, they can be saved by Christ.

Here is official Catholic Church teaching on those not in the Catholic Church:

***Wounds to unity **

818 "However, one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers . . All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church."272

819 "Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth"273 are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: "the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements."274 Christ’s Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him,275 and are in themselves calls to "Catholic unity."276

**The Church and non-Christians **
839 "Those who have not yet received the Gospel are related to the People of God in various ways."325

The relationship of the Church with the Jewish People. When she delves into her own mystery, the Church, the People of God in the New Covenant, discovers her link with the Jewish People,326 "the first to hear the Word of God."327 The Jewish faith, unlike other non-Christian religions, is already a response to God’s revelation in the Old Covenant. To the Jews “belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ”,328 "for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable."329

840 And when one considers the future, God’s People of the Old Covenant and the new People of God tend towards similar goals: expectation of the coming (or the return) of the Messiah. But one awaits the return of the Messiah who died and rose from the dead and is recognized as Lord and Son of God; the other awaits the coming of a Messiah, whose features remain hidden till the end of time; and the latter waiting is accompanied by the drama of not knowing or of misunderstanding Christ Jesus.

841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day."330

842 The Church’s bond with non-Christian religions is in the first place the common origin and end of the human race:

All nations form but one community. This is so because all stem from the one stock which God created to people the entire earth, and also because all share a common destiny, namely God. His providence, evident goodness, and saving designs extend to all against the day when the elect are gathered together in the holy city. . .331

843 The Catholic Church recognizes in other religions that search, among shadows and images, for the God who is unknown yet near since he gives life and breath and all things and wants all men to be saved. Thus, the Church considers all goodness and truth found in these religions as "a preparation for the Gospel and given by him who enlightens all men that they may at length have life."332

**“Outside the Church there is no salvation” **
846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336

847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.337

848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."338 *

scborromeo.org/ccc/p123a9p3.htm#819
 
On the subject of actually joining the Church, why do you have to wait so long?
 
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On the subject of actually joining the Church, why do you have to
wait so long?

David, the Catholic Church is 2000 years old. There’s a lot to learn about the Church. The Church wants you to understand Church teaching and history so you can make an informed decision. I think that you are not in the USA? The process of how that happens may be different in your location.

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On the subject of actually joining the Church, why do you have to wait so long?
Because you aren’t joining a social club, or knitting circle. You are joining the Body of Christ, you are becoming a member of His Body. You are taking upon the New Covenant upon yourself, which carries great rights, but also great responsibilities.

As such, the Church wants to make sure that this is a well thought-out decision, that is not done in the heat of the moment, or unduly emotional decision. It wants time for you to make a rational, informed decision.
 
But then why were the people who John baptized and the people in Acts baptized straight away?
 
But then why were the people who John baptized and the people in Acts baptized straight away?
For several different reasons.
  1. Different time and culture. They were a persecuted minority who had authorities chasing and beating them (or worse). It was difficult to have set scheduled instructional classes.
  2. Already inculturated. The Jews who were baptized right away were already familiar with covenents, with covenants with God, and with the responsibilities of such. They were steeped in the Old Covenant, and were ready to enter the New Covenant.
  3. Deadlier times. Lifespans were much shorter, medicine was archaic, and illness was sometimes a death sentence. We live in an age when most people live to a comparatively old age.
Of these, number 2 is the most important.
 
So where would I stand, unbaptised, not a member of any church, but a believer and doer of Gods word for 7 years?
 
So where would I stand, unbaptised, not a member of any church, but a believer and doer of Gods word for 7 years?
Get thee baptized. 😃

When I came into the Catholic Church I was baptized. I was 61 years old. Who knew it was so important? Not me.

I truly thought that I was a Christian because I had no idea of the importance of baptism. I do know now.
 
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So where would I stand, unbaptised, not a member of any church, but a believer and doer of Gods word for 7 years?
Doer of God’s word? Jesus said to be baptised. Why haven’t you? If you desire to be baptised and die before baptism, there is the baptism of desire. But, I wouldn’t brush aside the things that Jesus requests from us.

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So where would I stand, unbaptised, not a member of any church, but a believer and doer of Gods word for 7 years?
That is not our place to speculate. Jesus is to judge that. I will say this though, God promised that you can have complete assurance of Him, and of Him fulfilling His promises. To have this assurance, we must believe in Him, and follow His commands. So how do we know what His commands are? Well, the Bible tells us that the pillar and foundation of the truth is His Church, and that we are to know how to act/behave by remaining in His Church.

So call up your local parish, and ask about the RCIA program. You are required to go further than you feel comfortable. So come to His Church, and become part of His Bride, the Body of Christ.

God Bless!
 
Here I am again…

I haven’t been inside a church since I was in England at the end of June. The one I went to there was so much more alive than the one I’ve been very sparsely going to at home and I think it “spoiled” me more than a bit.

I’ve gone through finding and losing a job since I was in England and with stuff at home just continuing on the same I’ve felt a little drawn to the Catholic church again. But again this conflict between Catholics and Protestants has flared up - if only in my mind.
 
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