My theory why secular liberalism defends radical Islam

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As Christians we believe that Christianity has delivered society from ancient paganism and secularism is a form of neo paganism, which basically predates Jesus but they just have new Gods.

Secular liberals believe they have delivered Christianity from a barbaric age and they will do the same to islam and don’t view it as a threat

Sadly my prediction in Europe is that secularism will eventually be at war with Islam and Christianity will be a side note in hiding or on the run like they currently are in Iraq

Any thoughts
 
Adamski said:
As Christians we believe that Christianity has delivered society from ancient paganism and secularism is a form of neo paganism, which basically predates Jesus but they just have new Gods.

Secular liberals believe they have delivered Christianity from a barbaric age and they will do the same to islam and don’t view it as a threat

Sadly my prediction in Europe is that secularism will eventually be at war with Islam and Christianity will be a side note in hiding or on the run like they currently are in Iraq

Any thoughts
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Not sure that this is the right forum, but I have a couple of thoughts.
Secular progressivism puts up with radical Islam. I don’t think they necessarily defend it.
That said, unlike radical Islam, American Christianity generally supports the American system of governance (constitutional representative republicanism). It is based on the idea that rights come from God, and therefore government has no say over rights, and that governmental power is by consent of the governed, and can be withdrawn by the people. Progressives oppose that model. So, if they can eliminate God from the foundation of American governance, then the origin of rights falls back to government, which is their belief (your rights are subject to government control and restriction).

You’re right that radical Islam is not yet a threat for American progressives, but someday they may just be.

Jon
 
I would also ask what your definition is of “defending Islam.” I’ve been accused of that simply for saying that the vast majority of Muslims aren’t terrorists.
 
agnes_therese said:
I would also ask what your definition is of “defending Islam.” I’ve been accused of that simply for saying that the vast majority of Muslims aren’t terrorists.
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I agree with you that the vast majority of Muslims, numbering 1.6 Billion, are not terrorists. However, if Bridgette Gabriele is correct when she says that 10 - 15 % percent are radical, we are in a lot of trouble. Say 10% or 160 million are radical. Let us say that only 10 % of those would be willing to commit acts of terror. That is an army of 16 million against us. We lose! If only 1%, there remain 1.6 million. We’re still in a heap of trouble. :eek:
 
There is an old saying that politics makes for strange bedfellows but indeed the Secular Progressives defense of Islam is strange indeed. Given that Islamists would cut off the heads of these foolish advocates for their sexual liberties, support of homosexuals, women’s rights, and failure to worship Allah, you have to wonder “What ARE they thinking.”

I don’t know if it’s deliberately ignoring the truth about Islamists or whether it’s the Secular Progessive delusion that human beings are inherently good and it’s only their circumstances that cause them to engage in evil acts. I have engaged with more than one Secular Progressive who defended Hamas because they are “poor.” or who claimed that there are more blacks in prison vis a vis their percentage of the population because “cops are racist.” They truly believe we are products of our circumstances and if we could just talk to Ahmed The Terrorist, he’d put down his sword and follow along like a lamb.

On the opposite side are Christians and Jews (maybe other faiths) that believe we have a fallen nature and must fight the urge to engage in violence and evil, that in the final analysis we are responsible and accountable for our actions and most of all we believe EVIL EXISTS.

Ask a Secular Progressive and he doesn’t believe in evil, the Devil or anything else that would his jade that life is just rainbows and lollipops and if there were only the right government program or pointy headed intellectual in charge of things, all would be well.

As my grandad used to say “Fiddlesticks…”
 
agnes_therese said:
I would also ask what your definition is of “defending Islam.” I’ve been accused of that simply for saying that the vast majority of Muslims aren’t terrorists.
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If only 10% of Islam is terrorist and another 30% supports them that is half a billion people
 
Adamski said:
As Christians we believe that Christianity has delivered society from ancient paganism and secularism is a form of neo paganism, which basically predates Jesus but they just have new Gods.

Secular liberals believe they have delivered Christianity from a barbaric age and they will do the same to islam and don’t view it as a threat

Sadly my prediction in Europe is that secularism will eventually be at war with Islam and Christianity will be a side note in hiding or on the run like they currently are in Iraq

Any thoughts
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I don’t follow why you think secular liberal believe they have delivered Christianity from a barbaric age. There is a saying that one can be so open minded that their brains fall out. That would be my summation of this because Islam stands against everything secular liberals believe in or proport to stand for. It basically defies logic so the unquestioned support for Islam, sharia law and all the rest is:
  1. lack of brains
  2. lack of understanding or knowing history
  3. stuck on their view of Christianty as barbaric while Islam is viewed as modern because some Arab invented algebra in the 9th century
  4. Denial, denial denial.
 
JonNC said:
Not sure that this is the right forum, but I have a couple of thoughts.
Secular progressivism puts up with radical Islam. I don’t think they necessarily defend it.
That said, unlike radical Islam, American Christianity generally supports the American system of governance (constitutional representative republicanism). It is based on the idea that rights come from God, and therefore government has no say over rights, and that governmental power is by consent of the governed, and can be withdrawn by the people. Progressives oppose that model. So, if they can eliminate God from the foundation of American governance, then the origin of rights falls back to government, which is their belief (your rights are subject to government control and restriction).

You’re right that radical Islam is not yet a threat for American progressives, but someday they may just be.

Jon
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Historian Fred Siegel has an interesting book out touching on this very topic, The Revolt Against the Masses: How Liberalism Has Undermined the Middle Class. In it, he basically argues that the goal of liberalism has always been to create a secular priesthood (think academia) that can direct the lives of the ignorant masses.
 
Adamski said:
As Christians we believe that Christianity has delivered society from ancient paganism and secularism is a form of neo paganism, which basically predates Jesus but they just have new Gods.

Secular liberals believe they have delivered Christianity from a barbaric age and they will do the same to islam and don’t view it as a threat

Sadly my prediction in Europe is that secularism will eventually be at war with Islam and Christianity will be a side note in hiding or on the run like they currently are in Iraq

Any thoughts
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Christians believe that God delivered anyone who has ever been delivered. True Christians give the credit to Christ, not to themselves or their religion.

Secular conservatives are no different from secular liberals. Secular liberals worship at the altar of public policy while secular conservatives worship at the altar of “rugged individualism” and self-reliance. Both ignore God.

-Tim-
 
Bill1940 said:
I agree with you that the vast majority of Muslims, numbering 1.6 Billion, are not terrorists. However, if Bridgette Gabriele is correct when she says that 10 - 15 % percent are radical, we are in a lot of trouble. Say 10% or 160 million are radical. Let us say that only 10 % of those would be willing to commit acts of terror. That is an army of 16 million against us. We lose! If only 1%, there remain 1.6 million. We’re still in a heap of trouble. :eek:
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:nope:

We defeated Nazi Germany and Japan. They had formidable armies, also. The real score is that it will be five on one (in billions), and the five have superior materiel and the means of mass producing it.

It won’t be pretty, but radical Islam ultimately loses because after enough bloodshed, even the liberals and the secularists will decide that anyone who beheads prisoners, kills children and rapes women in the name of their God and prophet must be stopped.
 
I wouldn’t go so far as to call it “my theory” on this proposition, but this verse occurred to me as a possible explanation of the phenomena.
**Matthew 12: 25-26 - "Every kingdom divided against itself will be laid waste, and no town or house divided against itself will stand.
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26 And if Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself; how, then, will his kingdom stand? **
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Examining the fruits of secular liberalism and radical Islam … the fruits are bad. That is what they have in common. While secular liberalism veers toward the anti-God or “there is no God” side of things … radical Islam presents a vengeful God who approves of sneaky cowards attacking peaceful innocents from the shadows because it is the easiest thing to do.

In one case the Lord’s declaration “I AM …” is contradicted. In the other "God is love. Love thy neighbor. Thou Shalt Not Kill. And many more things are contradicted … in His name.

So they are allies. Unlikely ones if their differences are scrutinized … but obvious allies when their common goals regarding their ambitions against others is observed.
 
I am currently watching the Seahawks game and people are comparing the crusades to the French terrorist
 
Adamski said:
I am currently watching the Seahawks game and people are comparing the crusades to the French terrorist
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Yet the crusades were a result of Muslim attacks on Christians visiting the Holy Land and was a long overdue defensive measure against Muslim aggression against Christians. Killing Jews in a Kosher deli and a spoof magazine has nothing to do with why the crusades were faught. Lunacy knows know limits.
 
Adamski said:
As Christians we believe that Christianity has delivered society from ancient paganism and secularism is a form of neo paganism, which basically predates Jesus but they just have new Gods.

Secular liberals believe they have delivered Christianity from a barbaric age and they will do the same to islam and don’t view it as a threat

Sadly my prediction in Europe is that secularism will eventually be at war with Islam and Christianity will be a side note in hiding or on the run like they currently are in Iraq

Any thoughts
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I think you’ve been watching too much Fox “news”.
This is not about ‘liberalism’ or ‘secularism’. This is about a clash of cultures, civilizations, and empire building. The pattern has been repeated throughout history over and over again.
I’ve read things on CAF in the past few days, on the news forums, that border on paranoid histrionics. There is a design emerging here, an effort to continue the wars and killing. Every year or so we need a new ‘Pearl Harbor’ to keep us paranoid, keep our drones bombing, continue the wars, make us willing to give up our freedoms to ‘keep us safe’.
Want to defeat ‘radical Islam’? Get us out of the Middle East. Stop our wars, stop our killing. Bloodletting just produces more bloodletting. Care about the troops? Then bring our young men home and re-build THIS country.
 
Son_of_Niall said:
I think you’ve been watching too much Fox “news”.
This is not about ‘liberalism’ or ‘secularism’. This is about a clash of cultures, civilizations, and empire building. The pattern has been repeated throughout history over and over again.
I’ve read things on CAF in the past few days, on the news forums, that border on paranoid histrionics. There is a design emerging here, an effort to continue the wars and killing. Every year or so we need a new ‘Pearl Harbor’ to keep us paranoid, keep our drones bombing, continue the wars, make us willing to give up our freedoms to ‘keep us safe’.
Want to defeat ‘radical Islam’? Get us out of the Middle East. Stop our wars, stop our killing. Bloodletting just produces more bloodletting. Care about the troops? Then bring our young men home and re-build THIS country.
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I don’t watch any news but facts are facts all and I mean all liberals I know defend radical Islam
 
Adamski said:
I don’t watch any news but facts are facts all and I mean all liberals I know defend radical Islam
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They do although this Paris slaughter has even Bill Maher thinking twice. But true to form Howard Dean was chortling away saying well this violence isn’t really Islam… The irony of course is that most Secular Progressives delight in demeaning Christianity and even Judaism but are in high dudgeon if anyone points out that while not all Muslims are terrorists virtually all terrorists are Muslims. It’s not just a coincidence.

As to Niall’s claim if we get out of the Middle East it will all die down, riddle me this: Why is one of the most vicious, violent groups of Islamists found in Africa? Tell me how the Iraq War led ot Boko Haram killing, raping, kidnapping, beheading and otherwise slaughtering innocent Christians? Somalia has been a hotbed of violence for decades, long before the Iraq or Afghanistan wars. The continent is infested with various roaming bands of viscious killers, all in the name of Islam. In fact the words Boko Haram refer to wanting the demise of Western culture and thought.

Secular Progressives live in an alternative universe where the facts don’t matter unless they push their ideology. Other than that they can be ignored.

The problem is Islam and the Secular Progessives serve as useful idiots
 
Any language on this thread is 1000 times softer than your speaker robert spencer
 
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