My thoughs On RCC

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Not sure if it is the right forum to post, but I would like to share my opinion so far with my experience on the catholic church:

The more I seem to research about the church, the more I am coming to the conclusion that it indeed is the truth. It makes sense from a historical point of view, since it is the only church which you can trace back to the apostles (even non-christian historians admit this). As much as I love studying about other religions and demoniations of christianity, they all seem to stop at a certain period of time in history when you trace them back. Protestantism starts at roughly 15th century which means it did not exist before. Orthodox church can be traced as far back as 11th century when the schism of east and west took place. But the catholic church can be extended as far back as 33 AD when Lord Jesus Christ established it. It is also the only church which can be 100% reconciled with bible. For example, protestants (no offence) cannot possibly digest the fact that there are verses of the bible hinting to purgatory (something which they reject). Like, the verse about settling matters which your peers before the jailer throws you to the judge. This can only point out to purgatory. The bible (as I noticed in researching) wasn’t written by jesus, rather it is the church (combined with the councils) which decided which books of the credible and which aren’t. This is why it is impossible to be a true christian by only acknowledging the book without the traditions. Because if in the bible, it says that you have “to spread the word by mouth” which clearly indicate that in the first two century people did not have a single copy, rather they had to preserve the teaching combined with the tradition. Catholic church is the only one which is the most traditional of all the denominations. And what’s even more fascinating, is that the official revelations and teaching have not changed one single word for the past 2000 years, which is amazing. I love the very fact that, eventhough times change, the teachings of the church will never reconcile with the times. I agree, I do think teachings should be eternal, and the holy spirit has done a magnificent job on doing that. There is a reason why in the bible jesus says “Thou art Peter the rock, and upon this rock i will build my church”. He did NOT say “Thou art Peter, and upon this rock i will build the BIBLE”. So if you believe in the bible, you must believe in the church as well.

Also, not only does it historically make sense, but also scientifically. I have read some of the writing of emeritus Be. XVI and Bl. JPII. They both have said how science and faith must go hand in hand. JPII (and I compleletely agree with him) said that science without faith leads to materialism, and faith without science leads leads to superstition. So we can see how supportive of the natural law of the universe the catholic church has been. Likewise, the issue of abortion, euthanasia, and homosexuality are all in accordance with nature. It should be clear (even if a non-christian) that abortion is wrong because it essentially is removing a living piece of organ and essentially kills a living soul (which equates to murder). Likewise, with marriage and fertilisation. Every human being (who thinks at a logical level) knows that marriage must be between a man and a woman only. And we know of the wrong of homosexuality, because we can see the negative effect of it on both psychology and natural health of body. This practice of same-sex intercourse has brought various deffiencies and diseases after those practice, which show that the idea of man and man, or woman and woman is essentially a flawed practice undertaken in various parts of the world. So even a non-catholic will essentially come to the conclusion, which is the exactly the same as the RCC teaches. Therefore, there is nothing in the church that is illogical in terms of biology. Likewise, with physics. No pope has ever denied the big bang for example, or some form of evolution of species, which have been scientifically proven. Therefore, if one is really historical and scientific, the only real religion to join is that which has a healthy balance of both faith, reason, and science. And by far, The church is the best in explaining what the world’s moral life should look like.

i could go on writing more, but I will stop here.
 
You’re touched immediately on the one advantage that Christianity have over most other faiths: History. We mention Pontius Pilate in the Nicene Creed because he existed, as did Christ. We see the books of the Bible as reliable accounts of history, not just acts or flowery, mystical stories.

As you continue your exploration, you’ll also come to see, too, that calling the Catholic Church as the “RCC” or “Roman Catholic Church” is an inaccurate name. We’re simply the Catholic Church. There are many rites, or cultural variations of liturgies throughout, but we have one faith, one baptism, one Lord in one Church.

Good luck and blessings in your journey.
 
What a breath of fresh air! Welcome!!! Glad you are learning about Christ’s Church
 
I’ve been attending RCIA for about 6 months and after some extensive study; I’ve come to the same conclusion. Welcome.
 
“that calling the Catholic Church as the “RCC” or “Roman Catholic Church” is an inaccurate name”.
You’re right that the catholic church is composed of various traditions. Absolutely. I simply called it the “roman” catholic church, as its main “headquarters” if you like, abides in Rome. So the term “roman” was not used in the sense that only roman catholics are catholics. I meant “roman” in the sense that the vatican and the God’s ambassadors (Pope, Bishops, Cardinals) have rome as its dwelling place. and of course the eastern, byzantine, and other catholics are in full communion in Rome. 🙂
“Welcome!!! Glad you are learning about Christ’s Church.”
Thank You, although I am not entirely a newcomer. I actually was once a catholic, but then simply abandoned it for a VEEERY long time. My last and only confession was actually my first confession before first communion (I’m 19 now and my last confession was I think at 10). That’s 9 years ago. I know it’s shocking, but that’s reality. 😮 So what I am actually doing now, is I’m trying to get back to the faith by getting knowledge about it and trying to absorb the information and tackle some of the misunderstandings in the church which caused me to leave the church. I think I might even start saying the rosary again…
 
I’ve been attending RCIA for about 6 months and after some extensive study; I’ve come to the same conclusion. Welcome
May God, the saints, Mary, and the angels help us both (and other people infact) in our journeys! 👍
 
One comment that I will make on your OP…Our EO brothers can quite easily say that the RC showed up at the Schism and it is they who can be traced back to the Apostles.
And actually - it is the position of the Catholic Church that both the Catholic and the EO have valid apostolic succession…

Since I am not an expert in this specific area…I’ll say no more…others can probably express it more clearly.

Peace
James
 
One comment that I will make on your OP…Our EO brothers can quite easily say that the RC showed up at the Schism and it is they who can be traced back to the Apostles.
And actually - it is the position of the Catholic Church that both the Catholic and the EO have valid apostolic succession…
Since I am not an expert in this specific area…I’ll say no more…others can probably express it more clearly.
Peace
James
I guess you are correct. The thing is though that before the 11th century, both the EO and CC were essentially under the communion of the pope. It is at this century that there was a discussion whether the pope should be acknowledged as the legitimate authority. Some said no, and so the church got divided between the east and west. Yes, the sacraments are valid in the EO, and they show much respect to it. However, JPII still insisted on a unification under the banner of the pope and the joining of east and west together :). I think (I might be wrong) that JPII said that EO and CC are like two breathing lungs which must be united. I am not an expert either, was just sharing my thoughts on it as well… Peace!
 
As I was going through RCIA this past year I came to the same exact conclusions. As a Forensic Sciencist (electrical and mechanical engineering background) I see The Church, Christian Faith and Science go hand in hand. It all makes complete sense to me now. In fact, I know many professionals who are in the field of science that are Catholic.

The Catholic Church IS the whole Truth! I researched everything that was taught to me in RCIA and well beyond the fundamentals that were presented in class. The more I researched and learned, the more I wanted to learn and the more I realized it was where I am supposed to be …with God’s true church. 🙂

I was not new to the Church as I had attended for 20+ years (not weekly) as a protestant married to a Catholic. But it wasn’t until one day after struggling for a very long time with many aspects of my life that I was drawn to go to RCIA. I had no idea what to expect but had an open mind and now I can’t get enough! 😃 I read and study everything I can get my hands on as time permits. One thing I have to admit is that it hit me one day …for as smart as I THINK I am, how foolish was I for soooo long! All of this was right in front of me and I never saw it!

I am praying for you on your journey. Keep reading and learning. God bless you!
 
I guess you are correct. The thing is though that before the 11th century, both the EO and CC were essentially under the communion of the pope.
A more accurate way to express this would be to say that the various sees were in communion with the pope. I think it can be a problem using a term like “under” for ones relation to one who is suppose to be the servant of the servants.
It is at this century that there was a discussion whether the pope should be acknowledged as the legitimate authority. Some said no, and so the church got divided between the east and west.
The issues that divided the Church at that time had less to do with the matter of primacy than with just what that primacy entailed.
Also there were, unfortunately, a fair amount of ego and politics going on.
Yes, the sacraments are valid in the EO, and they show much respect to it. However, JPII still insisted on a unification under the banner of the pope and the joining of east and west together :). I think (I might be wrong) that JPII said that EO and CC are like two breathing lungs which must be united. I am not an expert either, was just sharing my thoughts on it as well… Peace!
Amen -
Reunification is something that we really should pray for…It will take time and much humility on everyone’s part…but God willing…it will come.

Peace
James
 
In fact if you reflect upon the Pope’s main title I would suggest that it is actually the opposite.

“Servant of the servants of God” seems to me it points to someone that is UNDER us not above us 🙂
And Jesus words to Peter were repeated 3 times when He asked Peter wheter he loved Him.
Every time our Lord replied “Feed my sheep”

Think about this then tell me if you still believe the Pope is above anyone 👍

Peace 👍
 
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