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Pariah_Pirana
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I sure hope no Catholics received “communion” from you. That would constitute idolatry.
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Pariah_Pirana
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Did you provide the above response to mask the silliness of your posting #35?
Destroying the fruit cake in that situation was the right call – else it would like have been used at a later Mass. Because our celebrants do not see the gifts before they are processed to the altar, it would have been a horrible, horrible situation. Next time, think before you retort.
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FrRobSST
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Pariah Pirana:
People know quite well who and what I am. I have mainted that snice I got here. I am required by my canons and rubrics to commune those who are fully initiated, repentant of their sins, believers in the real, true presence of Christ in the Eucharist, and who are properly disposed. That means if you have been baptized, chrismated, and given first eucharist in a Church with valid holy orders (needed for the chrismation) and you have properly confessed your sins and demonstrate a true and faithful belief in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist (no spiritual presence, no receptionalisim) then I have to commune you if you request.
That beign said, I have told all of those who attend local parishes to submit to the judgement of their local pastor and ordinary in recieving the Sacrament here.
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Actually, the term you are searching for is “Communio in sacris”.
People know quite well who and what I am. I have mainted that snice I got here. I am required by my canons and rubrics to commune those who are fully initiated, repentant of their sins, believers in the real, true presence of Christ in the Eucharist, and who are properly disposed. That means if you have been baptized, chrismated, and given first eucharist in a Church with valid holy orders (needed for the chrismation) and you have properly confessed your sins and demonstrate a true and faithful belief in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist (no spiritual presence, no receptionalisim) then I have to commune you if you request.
That beign said, I have told all of those who attend local parishes to submit to the judgement of their local pastor and ordinary in recieving the Sacrament here.
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FrRobSST
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Pariah Pirana:
I’m sure the good Archbishop would gladly ensure that this situation never happened again.
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Have you spoken with Archbishop Marini about this abysmal set of circumstances? He is, after all, the head of the office of Papal Liturgical Celebrations, in charge of all liturgy and worship in the Vatican City-State.
I’m sure the good Archbishop would gladly ensure that this situation never happened again.
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netmilsmom
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Pariah Pirana:
Sometimes one must get tough at the moment and be nice later on. A nice talk with the lady afterward would be nice, but dumping the abuse in the trash made a statement.
Sorry to everyone who will be offended by this, but this is what our shepards need to do. They need to lead us, and at this point not be soft and squishy about it. If this lady was a person who should have known better, then maybe considering her “feelings” would not have made the same point. (has it happened before? who knows)
Sometimes one must get tough at the moment and be nice later on. A nice talk with the lady afterward would be nice, but dumping the abuse in the trash made a statement.
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SouthCoast
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Neither altar rails nor receiving on the tongue are prohibited AFAIK. I received on the tongue, on an altar rail just this week.
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Pariah_Pirana
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netmil(name removed by moderator):
This lady knew precisely what she was doing. She wanted to introduce grave abuse as a means to “change” the Church. That was no time for catechesis. It was time for decisive action, followed by a chat with the pastor, which I did.
The fruitcake was so taboo that nobody said a word after I dumped it. The celebrant was a very kindly old man who might just have possibly tried to consecrate the fruit cake. At the very least it would have put him in a horrible spot.
This lady knew precisely what she was doing. She wanted to introduce grave abuse as a means to “change” the Church. That was no time for catechesis. It was time for decisive action, followed by a chat with the pastor, which I did.
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Pariah_Pirana
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But limiting Holy Communion to only on the tongue would be prohibited, unless of course Communion was only via intinction.
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Pariah_Pirana
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That’s the whole point. Do you tell Catholic Christians (defined as those in perfect communion with the Vicar of Christ on Earth) that their Church does not recognize you as someone who can confect the Eucharist? That it does not recognize your ecclesial community as having valid holy orders?
Given the confusing titles you assume here, it’s scary to think about you in a hospital setting wearing black clericals acting as if you were actually a Catholic Priest around people who may not be looking too closely based on the setting.
This is troubling. At least a Lutheran minister would immediately be recognizable as a Protestant.
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Curious
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May I briefly hijack for a moment to ask of Rob - what in the world are you? What’s a primitive Catholic? And your signature thing says “Not in communion with Rome.”? I’m confused.
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SouthCoast
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Pariah Pirana:
-Michael
I have the same question. I wonder if the people really know who you are… It is very misleading. I assume the hospital understands that you’re not a Roman Catholic, right?
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Hi,
I have never experienced any of those abuses, but only some minor ones.
For example,
After the sign of peace, the Agnus Dei is begun. This is when, in our parish, the EMHC walk up to the altar and kneel. However, I read in the GIRM or some other book, that they should not enter the sancturary until after the priest has recieved communion, because this is when the Eucharistic Rite is ended.
Am I right? My priest is very faithful, and I have never seen him commit any of the abuses.
Another thing . . about the “kiss of peace that lasts 10 minutes”. Is the abuse that of the kiss or the lengthyness of it . . if its the kiss, I cant see how its an abuse. It states in the missal that a sign of peace can be offered according to local custom . . .
I even know a priest who omits this part of the mass.
Also, about “Girl Altar Servers”. Being a server myself, and a male, we have no girl altar servers. However, is there anything that states there shoudln’t be . . .?
God Bless,
Jordan.
I have never experienced any of those abuses, but only some minor ones.
For example,
After the sign of peace, the Agnus Dei is begun. This is when, in our parish, the EMHC walk up to the altar and kneel. However, I read in the GIRM or some other book, that they should not enter the sancturary until after the priest has recieved communion, because this is when the Eucharistic Rite is ended.
Am I right? My priest is very faithful, and I have never seen him commit any of the abuses.
Another thing . . about the “kiss of peace that lasts 10 minutes”. Is the abuse that of the kiss or the lengthyness of it . . if its the kiss, I cant see how its an abuse. It states in the missal that a sign of peace can be offered according to local custom . . .
I even know a priest who omits this part of the mass.
Also, about “Girl Altar Servers”. Being a server myself, and a male, we have no girl altar servers. However, is there anything that states there shoudln’t be . . .?
God Bless,
Jordan.
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Fox
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The priest coming down from the altar to give his homily or to make peace with everyone.
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FrRobSST
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Pariah Pirana:
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And herein is where you just don’t seem to be interested in listening. The Church in communion with Rome DOES accept and recognize our orders as valid but ilicit. You have not viewed either our ecclesiastical lines nor spoken to anyone in your own Communion who knows us, so until you do so, you don’t have a leg to stand on with your claim. Catholic theology teaches that valid holy orders are conferred even by schismatics and heretics if they truly intend to do as the Church does and make bishops, presbyters, and deacons in the historic succession from the Apostles. Since you have also not viewed our Ordination Rites, you cannot know what we intend to do. Those in the know, however, will look at our Rites and will know without a doubt what we intend to do.
Again, it goes to show how much you know me or my actions. I make it PERFECTLY clear who and what I am. Whenever I visit a patient and they ask what background I am, I tell them… point blank. I will explain any questions they have, but I am not here to convert people… I am here to serve people. What, would you have me required to wear a Suit and Tie as opposed to my habit? I am sorry, but to be quite honest, you have no right to impose such an idea just because you don’t like the way I have chosen to practice my Christian faith. If I was going around telling people I was a Roman Catholic, that would be different, but I am not! I tell people right off the bat that I am not in communion with Rome. Period. End of story. If they go ahead and CHOOSE to recieve the Sacraments from me, well, that is between them, their Church, and God. I am not permitted to deny them.
Really? My best Lutheran friend wears a cassock every day. I have another friend who is a Lutheran who wears clericals in all black and is addressed as Father in and out of his congregation. Everyone knows who he is. Everyone around here knows who I am.
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FrRobSST
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There is a thread over in Non-Catholic Religions entitled Synod of St. Timothy. I’d suggest going there so as to avoid further derailing this thread.
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Curious
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FrRobSST
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How on earth is it misleading. I am a Primitive Catholic which means that I am not in communion with Rome. I tell that to anyone who asks. In fact, here at the Hospital, when the chapel overflows on Holy Days of Obligation, here is what I announce before I even begin celebrating the Liturgy, just in case someone is there who is a visitor or patient and doesn’t know me.
“Christian brothers and sisters, we welcome to our Chapel. Today, our brothers and sisters in Communion with Rome are celebrating __________ . We join with them and with other Christians around the world in giving thanks to God for _____, and I would invite you in the few minutes before we celebrate the mysteries of our redemption to medidate upon this great solemnity of our faith. It is also important for you to know that, while Primitive Catholics share a great deal in common with our Roman Catholic brothers and sisters, we are not fully united with that ecclesial body at this time. Thus, those of you who are under the jurisdiction of the local Roman Diocese are advised to take advantage of the 12:05 Mass at University Hospital, the 4:15 Mass at the St. Mary’s Child Care Center on MLK, or to attend Liturgy this evening in your own parish of choice.”
After this, I leave to go and vest for Divine Liturgy and return five minutes later. How much clearer do you want me to be?
And, considering that the woman who hired me was a Roman Catholic, and I went to great lengths to explain to her that I was not, yes, i am pretty sure that the hospital knows that I am not a Roman Catholic. The fact that I belong to a jurisdiction where a priest can get married is pretty much a dead giveaway that I am not a Latin-Rite Catholic in communion with Rome.
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netmilsmom
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Pariah Pirana:
The woman WAS a fruitcake.
God Bless you!
The woman WAS a fruitcake.
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Jesus4Me
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Is holding hands during the Our Father really a liturgical abuse? We do that at our church - in fact, everywhere I’ve been. Not everyone in the church always does it, but most do.
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rwoehmke
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You may be a curmudgeon, but you ain’t old enough yet. Some of us old geezers are saved by the nearby biffy. Obviously not appropriate to leave during the Eucharistic prayer. But sometimes one can make it all the way through and sometimes its get up and go or puddle on the carpet. Not familiar with those other abuses. Maybe my eyesight and hearing are going too.
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