My wife is charismatic, but I am not

[Francis]

@seeker_of_God

So my wife likes to pray over people (i.e., laying on of hands), and be prayed over. I don’t like doing this.

Well there is nothing wrong with the charismatic renewal movement ,we can see ever the early Church was charismatic it has brought about many good things,but it should be done in proper guidance with a spiritual Father, 1 Corinthians 14:40 but all things should be done decently and in order.

Its very dangerous to keep or lay hands on the head and pray if the person is not in a proper state of grace other wise they will be sharing in their sins and bandages even too a point of possession may take place and headache sickness with out knowing the proper cause ,its like blind leading the blind.solution talk to your Spiritual Father if you have one or seek one,

1 Tim 5:22 Do not lay hands on anyone hastily, and do not participate in the sins of others; keep yourself pure.

 

[Cor_ad_Cor]

Its very dangerous to keep or lay hands on the head and pray if the person is not in a proper state of grace other wise they will be sharing in their sins and bandages even too a point of possession may take place and headache sickness with out knowing the proper cause ,its like blind leading the blind.solution talk to your Spiritual Father if you have one or seek one,

1 Tim 5:22 Do not lay hands on anyone hastily, and do not participate in the sins of others; keep yourself pure.

That sounds like quite a stretch and distortion of that verse to me.

 

[Uriel1]

Only a few priests can say a healing Mass
Those priests are approved by their Ordinary

 

[TheLittleLady]

1 Tim 5:22 Do not lay hands on anyone hastily, and do not participate in the sins of others; keep yourself pure.

We need to realize that St Paul was writing to St Timothy to give him instructions as Timothy was a young Bishop. This passage is specifically noted as “Rules for Presbyters”. It is part of a larger instruction for how the Bishop is to deal with Presbyters. It is not about the sacrament of anointing, rather, about ordination. http://www.usccb.org/bible/1timothy/5

 

[TheLittleLady]

Would you kindly point me to the Canon Law or the Formal Instruction on this?

 

[PapyrusDouay]

How interesting! I never knew that.

 

[Francis]

yes, sure i agree with you, but here am talking about the lay ministry who lay hands and pray, that they need a spiritual Father for spiritual guidance.

 

[TheLittleLady]

Except we cannot simply pull verses out of Scripture remove them from their context and expect them to support our personal beliefs. We must look at Scripture in whole. The verse you are using is not directed at lay faith healers.

To take a verse that says (to paraphrase) “Remember, do not Ordain someone until they have been vetted and trained” and apply it to some completely unrelated personal practice is an odd thing at best.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

I really like those prayers Little Lady suggested

Also, if wife really likes invoking the Holy Spirit, why not just hold hands and recite the “Come Holy Spirit” (Veni Creator) traditional prayer?

 

[Francis]

Except we cannot simply pull verses out of Scripture remove them from their context and expect them to support our personal beliefs. We must look at Scripture in whole. The verse you are using is not directed at lay faith healers.

Are you aware that lay people can lay hands and pray?

To take a verse that says (to paraphrase) “Remember, do not Ordain someone until they have been vetted and trained” and apply it to some completely unrelated personal practice is an odd thing at best.

have you gone through the verse and the foot note ,sure we should take the whole verse its about ordination well one verse has multiple meanings and many context , its also about laying on of hands ,and lay people do lay hands and pray.

Hebrews 13: 8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

 

[MiserereMei25]

The man who healed St. Paul’s blindness was a lay person.

 

[TheLittleLady]

Are you aware that lay people can lay hands and pray?

People CAN do many things. Ought they do those things is a different discussion.

have you gone through the verse and the foot note ,sure we should take the whole verse ,but here it is about laying on of hands ,and lay people do lay hands and pray.

Honestly, I have never encountered anyone outside of Protestant Charismaticism who rejects the idea that 1 Timothy passage refers to anything except Ordination.

Would you point me to some ECFs or other authoritative authors who feel this book is about lay people acting as faith healers? I would find that an interesting read.

 

[twf]

WBlindly following your wife’s lead in all spiritual matters is not a husband’s obligation nor necessarily a healthy example of “manning up”. My wife wishes I would abandon the Catholic Church for her Protestant faith. My Catholic faith causes her discomfort at times. Should I man up and damn my soul?
An extreme example, but I think it makes my point.

 

[Cor_ad_Cor]

Only a few priests can say a healing Mass
Those priests are approved by their Ordinary

Sorry; I’m going to have to second the request for documentation on this. It doesn’t sound accurate.

 

[Dorothy]

Thanks for the information (name removed by moderator)!

 

[Francis]

Honestly, I have never encountered anyone outside of Protestant Charismaticism who rejects the idea that 1 Timothy passage refers to anything except Ordination.

Would you point me to some ECFs or other authoritative authors who feel this book is about lay people acting as faith healers? I would find that an interesting read.

i never disputed that its not about ordination to the priesthood am saying one verse also has multiple meanings,contexts and used for in this case for praying by laying on of hands as Catholic Charismatic do,am sorry am done here, God Bless

 

[Nelka]

The thing is nobody ever actually explains what it is.

 

[Uriel1]

Uriel1:

Only a few priests can say a healing Mass
Those priests are approved by their Ordinary

Sorry; I’m going to have to second the request for documentation on this. It doesn’t sound accurate.

http://www.ewtn.com/library/liturgy/zlitur334.htm

My diocese has a regular healing Mass said by one priest with 6 lay people helping with the laying of hands. No-one else does it as far as I am aware. The lay helpers all have to go on courses. Please ask if you need to know more

 

[Cor_ad_Cor]

@Uriel1
Thanks for your follow-up; sounds like the restriction may be in your diocese only, as it’s not the case elsewhere. The link you provided does NOT state that priests need permission for a healing Mass, and as far as I could tell, didn’t even mention them.

 

[Uriel1]

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it may be in my diocese that it is restricted, but I know some of the lay healers and know about the training. It is a powerful experience with many people fainting or brought to tears, in the peace that descends upon them