My Wife Isn't in Love With Me Anymore

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  1. She strives for some independence. She’s been hopping from job to job over the last 6 years. And (I admit) I have been a budget “dictator.” I don’t want to be a dictator, and I told her that. We are working on this piece of it, but I don’t think it’ll get much better any time soon.
She had all the independence she could want before she married you. Did you, or anyone else, force her to marry you? She decided that marriage to you offered more benefits than “independence”, and she has enjoyed those benefits. Who’s being paying the bills these last six years, and provided for the children she wanted to have?

Look at the other side. Would you like some “independence”. Would you like to be free to spend your time and money as you please? Are you sacrificing yourself for your marriage and children?

It sounds to me like she needs to grow up. And, going to a “non-denominational” church is not likely to help her with this.
 
OP, First of all I want you to know that I’m praying for your marriage and family.

Second of all, like others have suggested, it would be a very wise idea to sleep separately until you get help for what you are doing in your sleep. This is serious, and even if your wife tells you that it’s okay to still sleep together, I encourage you to insist on separate sleeping arrangments because greater damage will be done to your marriage by the assaults done to her than if you were to sleep separately. HOWEVER, this would be an excellent opportunity to woo her, court her, focus exclusively on the romance and not so much on the sexual, enjoy quality time, bring her home flowers, surprise her. You know…The stuff that happened when you both fell in love.

Also, (I consider this the most important) ask her to pray together as a family. It doesn’t need to be anything other than holding hands and asking God to bless your marriage and to ask for Him to protect it. Do this on a daily basis. Read the Bible together and reflect on what you’ve read. It doesn’t have to take longer than the time it would take for you both to drink a cup of coffee. Maybe 5 minutes. And Trident’s advice is spot on as usual! Take care of yourself physically. Don’t have the attitude that although you don’t want a divorce, you’ll grant her one if it’ll make her happy. Instead, change your mindset to become a man who will fight for his marriage and improve yourself mentally, physically and spiritually.

God Bless! We’re pulling for you guys!
You are too kind. Thank you for that. Truly. 🙂

But now I’m having this strange problem. It’s really odd. My hat just won’t fit anymore. I can’t figure it out. I mean I only took it off for a minute. 😛
 
She had all the independence she could want before she married you. Did you, or anyone else, force her to marry you? She decided that marriage to you offered more benefits than “independence”, and she has enjoyed those benefits. Who’s being paying the bills these last six years, and provided for the children she wanted to have?

Look at the other side. Would you like some “independence”. Would you like to be free to spend your time and money as you please? Are you sacrificing yourself for your marriage and children?

It sounds to me like she needs to grow up. And, going to a “non-denominational” church is not likely to help her with this.
I kinda agree with this. Several of these replies seem to be focused on the OP and what he should and shouldn’t be doing. I’m going to take a different approach:
  1. Yes, the OP needs to get treated for his sexsomnia. I can’t imagine being raped by my own husband, even if it was unintentional. But what jumps out at me is that he’s offered to sleep on the couch, and she insists it not necessary. After this has gone on for weeks, why would she not take up his offer so at least it doesn’t happen again while he’s getting help?
  2. As far as the budget, the OP has invited her to be more involved in the budget and she hasn’t taken interest. Who is supposed to take care of the budget then?
  3. She doesn’t seem interested in counseling. Does she want to get help?
  4. She’s gone job hopping and church shopping. Sounds like she has a hard time knowing what she wants.
  5. Not letting go of a first love, coupled with not seeming to know what she wants…not good.
Yes, she’s got some growing up to do.
 
Hello! This is the OP again. First off, thank you guys very, very much for the prayers. This really means the world to me, and I know that they will help.

There have been many responses, and I would like to respond to a select few of them.
Praying for you both. Look for professional help though!
We are absolutely seeking professional help. I mentioned that she is willing to go to counseling, just individually for now and maybe as a couple later.
Get physically fit. The leanest. Meanest. You’ve ever been. …] Because sometimes it just isn’t possible to get someone to fall in love with the same you all over again. Sometimes they have to fall in love with a new you. One that’s like a step up from the floor model you. Or something.
Sage advice, indeed! “Now” is always a good time for a new and improved me!
The previous “first love” and attending Protestant churches are big concerns to me. I have no objection to someone attending a Protestant church, as such, but in your current marital situation this seems to be inviting trouble.
I worry about the “first love” situation as well. As far as attending another church, I truly and honestly believe that she needs to find her way to God and to Jesus first, regardless of the denomination. Given time, I think she’ll find her way back to Catholicism. If you feel that this is “inviting trouble,” please let me know what advice you can offer for me. “Dragging” her to a Catholic mass is certainly NOT going to help the situation at this point.
I don’t know how many children you have or how old they are, but build on your relationship with them by engaging in fun family activities. Include your wife in these activities based on her desire to participate. Depending on their ages, you might take your children out to buy presents for your wife. And/or take your wife Christmas shopping for your child(ten). There are so many fun celebrations and activities for families this time of year.
We have a 5 year old daughter and a 4 year old son. Actually, we are struggling strictly as husband and wife. I know it sounds contradictory, but our “family” life (as mother, father, daughter, and son) is actually fantastic! We all happily participate in many activities together. I would love to take my kids out and buy presents for her; but again, I struggle with whether this is “too much” love and is ultimately pushing her away.
A quick net search shows that there are medical treatments for sexsomnia. If you’re sexually assaulting your wife in your sleep your first order of business is to see a medical doctor. Before you try counseling. Get to a doctor. If you don’t, then it’s pretty clear you’re not interested in fixing anything.
Perhaps, I have read differently. I have done much research regarding sexsomnia, and there is no precise treatment for it, as far as I am aware. I have been to a medical doctor and have been given some advice regarding my sleeping situation.

I really opened myself up with I used the word “rape.” I question whether or not my wife feels this way. Please understand that I am not defending myself against these acts, but my sleeping issues have primarily involved sexual groping and touching (one or two occasions led to intercourse). “Rape,” I feel, suggests that she’s been beaten or choked or something else violent. This has not occurred. (Hopefully, I am able to provide a non-biased view of this situation…)

Again, not trying to defend my actions; I just want to provide some clarification. But I do agree that they have been very wrong and play a bit part in our struggles. I have seen a medical doctor and will seek a professional counselor on Monday.
Yes. This is extremely serious. The OP said 2-3 times per week, off and on again for several months last year. And at least once in the last six months. I cannot imagine the damage this is doing.
I agree. The issue was extremely severe a year ago. It has been precisely once (according to my wife) in the last six months. I think this is a sign of progress, although, obviously, it still has happened recently. Equally as important, it has left emotional scars on her.
Sleeping separately will help for now. Take her on date nights. If you get the chance, read the book the Five Love Languages by Gary Chapman. If she is open to it, the Retrouvaille retreats have helped many with struggling marriages.
Maybe she would enjoy a Catholic Bible study or group that has personal relationship with Jesus?
I will suggest sleeping separately again… ultimately, I will end up just doing it. We are trying to re-ignite our marriage by “dating” again, but I believe this is showing her too much affection… and again, maybe driving her away further.

At this point, anything that relates to Catholicism, I think, psychologically scares her. I am open to Retrouvaille, talking with a priest, doing a Catholic bible study, or simply taking her to mass with me. But I do not think these things will help… at least, not in our situation at this time. Eventually, I believe she will warm up to these ideas.
 
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Second of all, like others have suggested, it would be a very wise idea to sleep separately until you get help for what you are doing in your sleep. This is serious, and even if your wife tells you that it’s okay to still sleep together, I encourage you to insist on separate sleeping arrangments because greater damage will be done to your marriage by the assaults done to her than if you were to sleep separately. HOWEVER, this would be an excellent opportunity to woo her, court her, focus exclusively on the romance and not so much on the sexual, enjoy quality time, bring her home flowers, surprise her. You know…The stuff that happened when you both fell in love.
Again, agree with the sleeping separately situation.

It seems so counter-intuitive to me, but when I try to woo her or court her, it seems to make things worst. But trust me, I certainly have been trying in this regard. I bring home flowers. I sit and watch TV with her. I snuggle with her. I hold her hand in public. I’ve left her notes. I text her throughout the day. I think this has all been too much for her. I’m trying to strike a balance between showing her “too much” love and showing her “just enough.”
Also, (I consider this the most important) ask her to pray together as a family.
More sage advice! Yes, she and I just recently began to pray together. It’s been 3 or 4 times in the past two weeks. We do not struggle at all saying prayers with our kids, but there’s never been a husband and wife prayer time.
She had all the independence she could want before she married you. Did you, or anyone else, force her to marry you? She decided that marriage to you offered more benefits than “independence”, and she has enjoyed those benefits. Who’s being paying the bills these last six years, and provided for the children she wanted to have?
Look at the other side. Would you like some “independence”. Would you like to be free to spend your time and money as you please? Are you sacrificing yourself for your marriage and children?
It sounds to me like she needs to grow up. And, going to a “non-denominational” church is not likely to help her with this.
Is “she needs to grow up” your advice here? When we got married, obviously we made conscious decisions to be dependent on each other. I think that she feels entirely too dependent on me. I feel that her want for independence is her way of boosting her morale and her spirits. While I appreciate your comments, I would more greatly appreciate some tangible advice. If I told her that “she needs to grow up,” that wouldn’t end well!

I’m not sure what you suggest regarding the non-denominational church situation, but I have provided my own thoughts and comments above. I truly am open to ideas to help our marriage.
I kinda agree with this. Several of these replies seem to be focused on the OP and what he should and shouldn’t be doing. I’m going to take a different approach:
  1. Yes, the OP needs to get treated for his sexsomnia. I can’t imagine being raped by my own husband, even if it was unintentional. But what jumps out at me is that he’s offered to sleep on the couch, and she insists it not necessary. After this has gone on for weeks, why would she not take up his offer so at least it doesn’t happen again while he’s getting help?
  1. As far as the budget, the OP has invited her to be more involved in the budget and she hasn’t taken interest. Who is supposed to take care of the budget then?
  1. She doesn’t seem interested in counseling. Does she want to get help?
  1. She’s gone job hopping and church shopping. Sounds like she has a hard time knowing what she wants.
  1. Not letting go of a first love, coupled with not seeming to know what she wants…not good.
Yes, she’s got some growing up to do.
I feel like I am in need to defend my wife now. There are things that my wife and I BOTH agree that we BOTH need to work on, some specifically individually and some as a couple. In direct response to your points:
  1. At what point should I “man up” and just go sleep on the couch?
  2. How can I more gently get her to work with me on the budget?
  3. Actually, she is very interested in counseling. When we spoke last, she mentioned that she would like to meet with the counselor individually. She’s not ready (yet) to meet as a couple.
  4. Exactly! She doesn’t know what she wants (spiritually). How do I help her along? Do I provide her the freedom to explore non-Catholic churches (which is what I have done)? Or do I try to “evangelize” my wife back to Catholicism?
  5. Again, I agree here. But, how, as a loving husband, do I help her with her struggles?
 
Because you are taking steps to address your sleep issues, I feel compelled to say that I do not think that sleeping separately would be good for your marriage. It was considerate of you to offer to do so, and a very good sign that your wife declined your offer. Respect her wishes on this matter, and be happy that she does not want to put that distance between the two of you.

You may feel that the romance in your marriage is lacking and worried that your wife does not actively and completely share your faith, but you and your wife are blessed. You should both focus on your children and your love for them - your hopes for them and your delight in them. Count your blessings, and one day you will look back on this time in your life as a bump in the road.

Btw, I think that you can be overly attentive. I think that you can intrude on another person’s “space.” But can you really show too much true love?

4 Love is always patient and kind; love is never jealous; love is not boastful or conceited,

5 it is never rude and never seeks its own advantage, it does not take offence or store up grievances.

6 Love does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but finds its joy in the truth.

7 It is always ready to make allowances, to trust, to hope and to endure whatever comes.

8 Love never comes to an end…

I Corithians - Chapter 13
 
Using the word “rape” might not be too far off the mark. The source I saw referred to it as “sexual assault.” The condition s real enough and serious enough that it has been used as a defense in criminal trials.

Supposedly anti-anxiety and anti-seizure drugs are used. You’d probably have to see a sleep specialist.
 
Because you are taking steps to address your sleep issues, I feel compelled to say that I do not think that sleeping separately would be good for your marriage. It was considerate of you to offer to do so, and a very good sign that your wife declined your offer. Respect her wishes on this matter, and be happy that she does not want to put that distance between the two of you.
I suppose this is part of the dilemma and why we have hemmed and hawed about sleeping separately…
Btw, I think that you can be overly attentive. I think that you can intrude on another person’s “space.” But can you really show too much true love?
This is fantastic insight. I think that I may be overly attentive, so I will try to back it down some! But certainly I don’t think that I can love her too much.
Using the word “rape” might not be too far off the mark. The source I saw referred to it as “sexual assault.” The condition s real enough and serious enough that it has been used as a defense in criminal trials.
Supposedly anti-anxiety and anti-seizure drugs are used. You’d probably have to see a sleep specialist.
Semantics aside, the situation is very real and very serious. As I mentioned, I have seen a medical professional about this.

Generally, thanks everyone for the prayers and advice.

My wife and I had a serious conversation two nights ago. For the first time in over a year, I feel that we have made a step forward, albeit a very tiny one. My prayers and yours are helping! Please continue to pray for my wife and me! Thanks and God bless!
 
This thread reminds me of a sermon about love. The point of the sermon was that love is a decision, not a feeling. It is a decision to put your partner’s needs and welfare ahead of your own. If that is true, then the only way you fall out of love is if you choose to stop making decisions that are in the best interests of your partner and your marriage.

What I don’t see in your posts is continuous learning, and acting on what you have been learning. I suggest you learn through therapy and reading, maybe a book a week, and implement what you are learning in discussion with your therapist and wife. You know some couples go to therapy when their marriages are good to keep the marriage that way. They don’t wait for problems, or for the brink of disaster like most people do. We should all follow that example and be learning.

There is nothing whatsoever wrong with sleeping in separate bedrooms, and many couples do this just so one partner can get a good night sleep, if one has to get up early to go to work.
That is a “decision”, to act in the best interest of the partner.

One poster recommended this book on another thread:

amazon.com/Christian-Men-Hate-Women-Relationships/dp/0310517516

I am sure your therapist will know better ones.

So just stop hemming and hawing, start reading, and decisively and carefully incorporate one insightful action into your marriage at a time without slacking off. Then just improve the practices as you learn more.

Good luck.
 
I would not expect your wife to be in love with you any more after what you did.:nope: Sexual abuse has to be the most invasive abuse there is. That just doesn’t get better with time. It takes something a *whole lot *more than just time.

What you did is SO FAR from married love that it is truly closer to pedophilia than it is to married love. And you would not expect a person who can commit THAT to be capable of married love. Also I would NOT expect anyone capable of doing what you did to be capable of married love.

You see, married love is all about “self-donating”. “Self-taking” is the* opposite*. The evil one’s ways are opposite God’s ways. God’s ways build up. The evil one’s ways tear down. You have embraced the ways of the enemy of God, and in doing so you have torn your wife down. So if your wife behaves like someone has torn her down, you know why. I think she is behaving GREAT for someone who has had her heart and soul ripped at.

This is so bad that there is NO hope in this world for you. But in Christ there is hope, provided you are willing to face your error, and provided you are willing to desire for God to help you change. Without that, its true there is no hope for you.

It is good for your children that they did not have to have a broken home (yet), though you can be sure they feel the tension and that is not good for them. Its good you have both not gotten third parties involved (affairs). That helps a lot.

Your problem is DEEPLY serious, and you need a counselor who sees how deeply serious it is and can help you see it. Probably it has something to do with the huge mess our culture is in that you got to such a despicably low place. You would need a lot of GRACE to get out of your hole. However, the good thing is the more grace you need, the more grace God will give you.

Also now her problem is DEEPLY serious, because of the deep strike to her heart and soul.

I think that Gregory Popcak’s counseling service is the ONLY service I think can help you, unless you happen to have something really amazing in your area that I have never heard about. Here is a link: catholiccounselors.com/services/ You can see they address “Faithful Solutions to Sexual Problems” and they can help you see how serious it is and how much it takes to heal it. It will take a LOT. It will take DEEP understanding of your problem and an understanding of how it affected your wife, and it will take spiritual healing, which they can lead you to.

Popcak truly understands marriages, he puts them on a sort of a “scale” from worst to best in his book, For Better Forever and certainly yours is at that bottom of the barrel. Its a long crawl up from the scum you sit in. However, Popcak knows that, and he DOES believe that bottom-dwellers such as yourself CAN work their way into truly great marriages, and he has a plan for how even the worst can become the best, if they desire…

I am surprised at some of the mild responses you got in this thread. I can only think that people are too polite to put themselves in your shoes and your wife’s shoes, and to imagine what it would be like to live with what you confessed to. So they did not grasp the seriousness of your offense, and their answers reflect that. Or, they are not married and do not know the joys of marital love as God intended it. Popcak’s book Holy Sex. A Catholic Guide to Toe-Curling, Mind-Blowing, Infallible Loving does a great job describing how marital love is SUPPOSED to be, in God’s plan, and when you know that its perfectly clear what an *offense to love *your act is. You cannot expect your wife to just “get over it” with time, and resume things with you. But Popcak’s service can help her heal from it, and she will need a GREAT DEAL of God’s grace, too, in order to ever feel safe near you again. So you will both get what you need to understand what happened and to call on God’s grace for healing, and understand and go to where God would have you go.

I don’t know any other place than Popcak’s that could help you, though. I know there are a LOT of BAD and incompetent counselors out there! In my experience, I would say there are LOTS more bad than good. And I would not risk going to a bad counselor. And its not just money and time wasted. You might lose your only chance to save your marriage. She may be unwilling to go to counseling ever again if she goes to a bad counselor after the bad experience. The only understandable thing for her to do, then, may be to run.
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Eliza: The man has a medical condition, and he’s getting help for it. He is not the wife-raping monster your post makes him out to be. His posts on this thread seem to indicate that, yes, he regards this as quite a serious problem, and no, he does NOT think that molesting his wife in his sleep is a proper expression of marital love. Using such inflammatory language as “the scum you sit in” and “You have embraced the ways of the enemy of God” is unhelpful and inaccurate.

Please put away the pitchforks and torches.
 
I would not expect your wife to be in love with you any more after what you did.:nope: Sexual abuse has to be the most invasive abuse there is. That just doesn’t get better with time. It takes something a *whole lot *more than just time.

What you did is SO FAR from married love that it is truly closer to pedophilia than it is to married love. And you would not expect a person who can commit THAT to be capable of married love. Also I would NOT expect anyone capable of doing what you did to be capable of married love.

You see, married love is all about “self-donating”. “Self-taking” is the* opposite*. The evil one’s ways are opposite God’s ways. God’s ways build up. The evil one’s ways tear down. You have embraced the ways of the enemy of God, and in doing so you have torn your wife down. So if your wife behaves like someone has torn her down, you know why. I think she is behaving GREAT for someone who has had her heart and soul ripped at.

This is so bad that there is NO hope in this world for you. But in Christ there is hope, provided you are willing to face your error, and provided you are willing to desire for God to help you change. Without that, its true there is no hope for you.

It is good for your children that they did not have to have a broken home (yet), though you can be sure they feel the tension and that is not good for them. Its good you have both not gotten third parties involved (affairs). That helps a lot.

Your problem is DEEPLY serious, and you need a counselor who sees how deeply serious it is and can help you see it. Probably it has something to do with the huge mess our culture is in that you got to such a despicably low place. You would need a lot of GRACE to get out of your hole. However, the good thing is the more grace you need, the more grace God will give you.

Also now her problem is DEEPLY serious, because of the deep strike to her heart and soul.

I think that Gregory Popcak’s counseling service is the ONLY service I think can help you, unless you happen to have something really amazing in your area that I have never heard about. Here is a link: catholiccounselors.com/services/ You can see they address “Faithful Solutions to Sexual Problems” and they can help you see how serious it is and how much it takes to heal it. It will take a LOT. It will take DEEP understanding of your problem and an understanding of how it affected your wife, and it will take spiritual healing, which they can lead you to.

Popcak truly understands marriages, he puts them on a sort of a “scale” from worst to best in his book, For Better Forever and certainly yours is at that bottom of the barrel. Its a long crawl up from the scum you sit in. However, Popcak knows that, and he DOES believe that bottom-dwellers such as yourself CAN work their way into truly great marriages, and he has a plan for how even the worst can become the best, if they desire…

I am surprised at some of the mild responses you got in this thread. I can only think that people are too polite to put themselves in your shoes and your wife’s shoes, and to imagine what it would be like to live with what you confessed to. So they did not grasp the seriousness of your offense, and their answers reflect that. Or, they are not married and do not know the joys of marital love as God intended it. Popcak’s book Holy Sex. A Catholic Guide to Toe-Curling, Mind-Blowing, Infallible Loving does a great job describing how marital love is SUPPOSED to be, in God’s plan, and when you know that its perfectly clear what an *offense to love *your act is. You cannot expect your wife to just “get over it” with time, and resume things with you. But Popcak’s service can help her heal from it, and she will need a GREAT DEAL of God’s grace, too, in order to ever feel safe near you again. So you will both get what you need to understand what happened and to call on God’s grace for healing, and understand and go to where God would have you go.

I don’t know any other place than Popcak’s that could help you, though. I know there are a LOT of BAD and incompetent counselors out there! In my experience, I would say there are LOTS more bad than good. And I would not risk going to a bad counselor. And its not just money and time wasted. You might lose your only chance to save your marriage. She may be unwilling to go to counseling ever again if she goes to a bad counselor after the bad experience. The only understandable thing for her to do, then, may be to run.
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Hey Eliza. How are you my friend? Listen. I don’t think the OP meant to do this stuff. Happened in his sleep and stuff. That’s why we didn’t jump on him with boots on. I know you’ve had a bit of the rough in your first go around. So I know this probably hits you square on. But I think you might be just going at this a bit too hard. I don’t know. Maybe there’s something here I’m not seeing.

Peace Eliza. Nice to see you!

-Trident
 
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Eliza:
This is so bad that there is NO hope in this world for you. But in Christ there is hope, provided you are willing to face your error, and provided you are willing to desire for God to help you change. Without that, its true there is no hope for you.
There is hope for even the most hardened sinner.

Now, as unfortunate as the circumstances the OP’s wife has faced may be, there is a world of difference between spousal rape when the offender is conscious and makes a deliberate decision and a case of sexsomnia, which is a LEGITIMATE medical condition. Let’s not burn this man at the stake! He despises what he does in his sleep, is trying to prevent it from happening in future, and is seeking medical treatment.

My son is a sleepwalker. If he knocks over a lamp and breaks it while sleepwalking, it’s not his fault! Obviously the magnitude of damage in the two examples is worlds apart, but the underlying concept remains the same: parasomnias are unwanted medical disorders, just like lupus, cancer, MS, etc. We can’t condemn an ill person for the effects of a disease over which they have no control developing!
 
Calling him an innocent victim of a strange disorder he has no control over can seem like the holier, more charitable position. More superior. Kinder - especially compared to some poster with a “pitchfork”. But telling him his actions have him living as a bottom-dweller and that he has acted OPPOSITE God’s ways, and instead: with the ways of evil ones, and so is now stuck seeing the fruit of that – that feels like the truth to me. And the truth is more charitable. It sets one free. But however dear we hold our opinions, none of us are trained experts and none of us is likely to know the real truth of what is wrong with this poster. The opinion that counts is the one of a trained expert who knows what is a disorder of the mind, and which is the disorder of the spirit, and what is a helpless mistake, and what is rooted in the will. I have been thinking about this poor wife and mother for a couple days now. Its so disturbing. If she doesn’t get help she very well could bolt, and who could blame her? Then its another broken family. How sad, especially for the children. I really believe Popcak’s organization can discern these things and they know how to help them, both of them. I think they can save this family. I truly do.
 
Calling him an innocent victim of a strange disorder he has no control over can seem like the holier, more charitable position. More superior. Kinder - especially compared to some poster with a “pitchfork”. But telling him his actions have him living as a bottom-dweller and that he has acted OPPOSITE God’s ways, and instead: with the ways of evil ones, and so is now stuck seeing the fruit of that – that feels like the truth to me. And the truth is more charitable. It sets one free. But however dear we hold our opinions, none of us are trained experts and none of us is likely to know the real truth of what is wrong with this poster. The opinion that counts is the one of a trained expert who knows what is a disorder of the mind, and which is the disorder of the spirit, and what is a helpless mistake, and what is rooted in the will. I have been thinking about this poor wife and mother for a couple days now. Its so disturbing. If she doesn’t get help she very well could bolt, and who could blame her? Then its another broken family. How sad, especially for the children. I really believe Popcak’s organization can discern these things and they know how to help them, both of them. I think they can save this family. I truly do.
I believe in telling the truth, too. I believe we should call out sin when we see it. But if the OP is accurately reporting his problem–and his posts give me no reason to believe othewise–then the parasomnia is not something that he is doing of his own volition. He is simply in the position of a sleepwalker, as alphawoman pointed out.
 
Hey Eliza. How are you my friend? Listen. I don’t think the OP meant to do this stuff. Happened in his sleep and stuff. That’s why we didn’t jump on him with boots on. I know you’ve had a bit of the rough in your first go around. So I know this probably hits you square on. But I think you might be just going at this a bit too hard. I don’t know. Maybe there’s something here I’m not seeing.

Peace Eliza. Nice to see you!

-Trident
Hi Trident. I am no expert, just like none of the other posters here are either. But this idea you and some other posters have put here that “it was in his sleep, so, he just can’t help it” - I don’t buy that. That’s my sincere non-expert opinion, and I thought I should say it especially since it was not said much, and only very carefully in this thread.

Yes, you are right, I was not going to share my story but yes, I experienced ongoing covert verbal abuse and also regular abusive anger explosions throughout my first marriage - which was a very successful one in the eyes of the world - just not when we were alone. The former abuse was actually more damaging than the dramatic latter. Abuse from a loved and trusted one is very damaging, and understanding through counsel helps much, but one needs *more *than understanding - one needs the healing power of Our Lord. Jesus healed me, very powerfully. I know he heals hearts and He is very thorough. Our Lord wants to make us whole; He wants to heal our broken hearts.

If you don’t understand abuse at all you can gloss it over. An eye-opening thing to me was hearing battered woman consistently say that no bruise or broken bone ever did the extensive damage of verbal abuse. Its true. If I had been battered I would have KNOWN that was wrong, and left. But instead I stayed with the more covert insidious stuff.

But as I healed from this (while also leading a busy life as a single mother) I often realized gratefully how very fortunate I was that I never experienced sexual abuse. Because I think that has to be the very worst kind of abuse, that cuts deeper than any kind. And it it comes from your own husband, the one you love, trust, and pledged your life to - I think that it has to be even worse. So I have felt sick with sorrow for this poster’s wife. Even sicker when some here have said/implied she needs to shape-up some. But I realize such opinions come from ignorance. I think there is a lot of ignorance in some of these replies which is why I spoke more than plainly, without “cushion”. They need help, they need counseling, but even more they need the miraculous healing power of God, because the damage in this family is extensive.
 
I am one who has experienced sexual abuse by my own husband, prior to our conversion. It went on for 15 years. He too has a right to claim that he did not willfully do any of the actions he committed (and I don’t think I can elaborate on what I mean any further than that) but that did not negate the serious damage he did. I internalized it all. I decided that I must deserve it, that I am not good enough, that he must think I am a boring and unsatisfactory wife, and that I must tolerate the treatment or he will leave me and I will be alone and unwanted. As soon as we converted, the behavior stopped. However, it took another five years for him to begin to realize just how serious and damaging his behavior was. I am still having flashbacks and moments of panic and revulsion. My counselor thinks it is PTSD. That is despite actively working on this for years.

I know Eliza sounds harsh to the OP. But she is speaking from the perspective of someone who experienced spousal abuse. I do too. Yet, in my marriage, God in His mercy was able to break through the situation and help us to walk out of it together, building a new, better marriage from the ground up, on a foundation of our joint faith. But the old marriage had to die. All the old ways of relating had to stop. All of the boundary violations had to stop. There had to be lots of tears and talking and commitment to learning God’s way. God had to root out the lust and the pride and the selfishness that was in my husband’s soul and teach him how to cherish a wife. I am no expert, but my gut feeling is that a chaste person would not be capable of sexually assaulting someone in their sleep. So I think praying for chastity and working on cultivating that virtue is an absolute necessity in this or any situation where a husband has been violating his wife’s sexual boundaries. I never have asked my husband to sleep in a different room, no matter what type of behavior he exhibited toward me and no matter how used and violated and dirty I felt. So it doesn’t surprise me in the slightest that the wife of the OP hasn’t asked him to sleep separately to protect herself. I don’t know what the right answer would be in this situation, that is for them to work out between the two of them, but I just want to make the OP aware of how devastating spousal sexual assault is, no matter how lessened the culpability appears to be. It is still an assault and it still has similar effects on the victim. Imagine a different scenario where a sleepwalker killed someone during an episode of sleepwalking. Even if they were asleep and not culpable, even if they were sorry when they found out what they did, the person is still dead. Sexual assault while asleep still is sexual assault to the victim.

I look back now and I realize I had lost that “in love” feeling. I still chose to love him but I didn’t trust him, didn’t feel attracted to him, didn’t ever feel safe with him. This kind of issue can truly kill married love. And yes, Eliza is right, even if she sounds harsh, that if not corrected, the wife may bolt.

I truly hope this couple can get all the help they need to make a fresh start and build their marriage upon Christ. Praying…
 
Calling him an innocent victim of a strange disorder he has no control over can seem like the holier, more charitable position. More superior. Kinder - especially compared to some poster with a “pitchfork”. But telling him his actions have him living as a bottom-dweller and that he has acted OPPOSITE God’s ways, and instead: with the ways of evil ones, and so is now stuck seeing the fruit of that – that feels like the truth to me. And the truth is more charitable. It sets one free. But however dear we hold our opinions, none of us are trained experts and none of us is likely to know the real truth of what is wrong with this poster. The opinion that counts is the one of a trained expert who knows what is a disorder of the mind, and which is the disorder of the spirit, and what is a helpless mistake, and what is rooted in the will. I have been thinking about this poor wife and mother for a couple days now. Its so disturbing. If she doesn’t get help she very well could bolt, and who could blame her? Then its another broken family. How sad, especially for the children. I really believe Popcak’s organization can discern these things and they know how to help them, both of them. I think they can save this family. I truly do.
A bottom-dweller, eh? Eliza, you’ve obviously experienced a lot of hurt yourself, and are commendably thinking about the well being of the abused wife. But your comments are not just unhelpful, but also uncharitable when you engage in name calling and deliberately tell posters information that is counter to our faith (e.g. That posters have no hope.)
 
I believe in telling the truth, too. I believe we should call out sin when we see it. But if the OP is accurately reporting his problem–and his posts give me no reason to believe othewise–then the parasomnia is not something that he is doing of his own volition. He is simply in the position of a sleepwalker, as alphawoman pointed out.
Yes, exactly. Obviously the wife has experienced trauma and will require appropriate support. A large part of such treatment will likely require he husband to seek out appropriate medical treatment to manage his condition and prevent future abuse of the wife.

Parasomnias run in my family. I can say from first-hand experience that a person acting in his or her sleep is not aware of what is happening. A neurologist is the professional best able to assess such a condition, and I would advise the OP to have a referral made to a neurologist for a full sleep study if he hasn’t already done so.

My maternal grandfather was a source of many odd parasomnia stories, the most colorful of which involved him picking up my grandmother to throw her out of bed in his sleep. He was dreaming he was fighting someone on a train, and began acting out his dream using her as a stand in foe.
 
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jmjzelie:
I am no expert, but my gut feeling is that a chaste person would not be capable of sexually assaulting someone in their sleep.
This statement is incorrect. Behaviour occurring during a sleep disorder episode is conducted involuntarily and is unconnected to the person’s waking behaviour or moral status.

Some basic information about parasomnias: sleepfoundation.org/ask-the-expert/sleep-and-parasomnias

And for some info on REM sleep behaviour disorder:
mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/rem-sleep-behavior-disorder/basics/definition/con-20036654
 
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