After the words of Consecration the priest says:
The mystery of faith.
The people continue, acclaiming:
Either:
Who chooses which form to use? How can the people, “en masse”, make a choice?We proclaim your Death, O Lord,
and profess your Resurrection
until you come again.
Or:
When we eat this Bread and drink this Cup,
we proclaim your Death, O Lord,
until you come again.
Or:
Save us, Saviour of the world,
for by your Cross and Resurrection
you have set us free.
The priest chooses, or delegates his choosing ability to the music director.In the Missal there are three forms of the Mystery of Faith:
Who chooses which form to use? How can the people, “en masse”, make a choice?
Actually, there is only one Mystery of Faith–that is, the Body and Blood of Christ.In the Missal there are three forms of the Mystery of Faith:
Who chooses which form to use? How can the people, “en masse”, make a choice?
That one is the most flawed one and it is why it was dropped. It was only in the English Missal, it does not appear in the Latin nor in any of the other languages.I have to say, on this, I preferred the old one better (Christ has died, Christ has risen, Christ will come again).
But, not my choice!
This one wasn’t ever in the Latin missal. The flaw here is that with this one, we are talking about Jesus. With the three (true) other ones, we are talking to Jesus. It changes the structure and thus the idea behind it, besides its not being in the original missal, so it doesn’t work.I have to say, on this, I preferred the old one better (Christ has died, Christ has risen, Christ will come again).
But, not my choice!
Well the new one still introduces it by the priest saying “the mystery of faith”Actually, there is only one Mystery of Faith–that is, the Body and Blood of Christ.
The prayer is the Memorial Acclamation.
This misunderstanding was caused by the old ICEL adaptation “Let us proclaim the Mystery of Faith” leading people to think that it is the name of the prayer that follows.
To answer your real question though, it’s the right of the priest-celebrant to decide the options in the Mass, including this one.
Greetings Kerry77,I have to say, on this, I preferred the old one better (Christ has died, Christ has risen, Christ will come again).
But, not my choice!
Greetings FrDavid96,Actually, there is only one Mystery of Faith–that is, the Body and Blood of Christ.
The prayer is the Memorial Acclamation.
This misunderstanding was caused by the old ICEL adaptation “Let us proclaim the Mystery of Faith” leading people to think that it is the name of the prayer that follows.
To answer your real question though, it’s the right of the priest-celebrant to decide the options in the Mass, including this one.
Greetings YoungTradCath,My parish uses all three. We seem to have an affinity for the, “By your death and ressurection,” one, though. The organist is the cantor as well, so he sings the first word and then we get it, but usually, he’s singing by himself.
I don’t much care for the “When we eat this bread” one. It is theologically correct, but I don’t like to think of it as bread and wine.Greetings YoungTradCath,
Our parish has the affinity for the “When we eat this bread…” one. I also like the “Save us…” acclamation.
God Bless.
Anathama Sit
Unfortunately, that one is straight out of Scripture, from St. Paul himself who calls it bread (he uses “cup” or “chalice”, not “wine”).I don’t much care for the “When we eat this bread” one. It is theologically correct, but I don’t like to think of it as bread and wine.
Mmk, cool. I never said there was anything wrong with it. I just don’t particularly care for it.Unfortunately, that one is straight out of Scripture, from St. Paul himself who calls it bread (he uses “cup” or “chalice”, not “wine”).
Hi there.Greetings FrDavid96,
Pleasure to see you again Father. I have a question, but can’t the priest delegate it to the Music Director. I know that I am free to choose the Acclamations because he delegated it to me.
Of course, I usually have the music pre-picked out several weeks ahead of time, so that he can approve of the choices and make any suggestions. There have been times where at the last minute he changes things.
God Bless.
Anathama Sit
Yes. But the priest is really saying “[this Eucharist is] the Mystery of Faith” and not “let us proclaim…”Well the new one still introduces it by the priest saying “the mystery of faith”
I get what you’re saying, but I don’t know if I’m convinced. I haven’t read this part of the missal recently so I’d need to go back…Yes. But the priest is really saying “[this Eucharist is] the Mystery of Faith” and not “let us proclaim…”
For example, if a priest were to say:
“let us proclaim/pray the Our Father” or
“let us pray the rosary”
or something similar to that, most people would just naturally think “that’s the prayer that comes up next”
The words of the ICEL adaptation “let us proclaim the mystery…” make it sound like the following words are the name of that prayer, whatever form was chosen. In other words, in the ICEL adaptation, the priest’s introduction refers to the next words instead of referring to the Eucharist, which is the actual intention of what the priest is saying at that moment. It’s just one more example of how the ICEL adaptation caused confusion and misunderstanding in the Mass. When the priest said “let us proclaim…” people missed the entire point of what he was really saying.
Greetings FrDavid96,Hi there.
Yes, the priest can delegate that to someone else. That’s fine.
I said it the way I did because that was the direct answer to the OPs question of “who chooses?”