Mystery of Faith

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Probably an easy question but one that puzzles me.

How many mysteries of faith are there and whats the rhyme or reason of them? It seems as soon as I learn one it changes

A month ago it was “Christ has died Chrise is risen, Christ will come again” now its switched up again. I hate not beaing able to participate in the mass cause im a dummy, so throw me a bone here folks.

Dean
 
There a couple of others that we recite in my parish, depending on the Liturgical calendar.

1.) Lord, by Your cross and resurrection, you have set us free. You are the Saviour of the world.

2.) When we eat this bread, when we drink this cup, we proclaim your death Lord Jesus, until you come in glory.
 
There is no pattern for the proclamation of the Mystery of Faith. Any of the four that are given by the Church may be used. Normally either the music minister schedules the one that will be sung or, sometimes, the priest chooses the one he wants.

Deacon Ed
 
My question is the same as Dean’s. This changes depending on which Priest is doing the mass. Why?
 
AndiShah said:
My question is the same as Dean’s. This changes depending on which Priest is doing the mass. Why?
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Because the Church allows for certain choices to be made by the Priest as far as Mass settings. A priest may choose to use any Eucharistic prayer he wants, the mystery of faith also has options.

FWIW, I have heard that here in the US, the "Christ had died, Christ is Risen,…
will no longer be an option when we start using the new translation. Anyone here have any info on that?
 
AndiShah said:
My question is the same as Dean’s. This changes depending on which Priest is doing the mass. Why?
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Because it can. There are currently four. As of November 27, there will be three. Any of them can be used, whenever.
 
Oneofthewomen said:
FWIW, I have heard that here in the US, the "Christ had died, Christ is Risen,…
will no longer be an option when we start using the new translation. Anyone here have any info on that?
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Yes. Last year, I attended a lecture about the new translation given by a nun/professor from one of the seminaries here. She told us: no biblical basis for “Christ has died…”, meaning-- even though this is what happened, these exact words aren’t in scripture. This mystery of faith primarily came about for use in childrens’ Masses. There were many people, from the bishops, priests, and laity, who objected to the removal of this one. However, the committee could not be swayed.
 
geekdean said:
Probably an easy question but one that puzzles me.
How many mysteries of faith are there and whats the rhyme or reason of them? It seems as soon as I learn one it changes
A month ago it was “Christ has died Chrise is risen, Christ will come again” now its switched up again. I hate not beaing able to participate in the mass cause im a dummy, so throw me a bone here folks.
Dean]

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With the new translation coming, we (Liturgy Committee) have provided our Parish with new pew cards that will be easy to follow, unlike the Missalettes. Ours even have the Musical responses on them, most don’t.
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Old thread, but…

In the Memorial Acclamation we are addressing Christ. The (now fading) “Christ has died…” version is speaking about Christ, not to Him.
 
I know this is an old thread, but…

It’s interesting to note how the original question was phrased: “how many mysteries of faith are there?”

Actually, there is only one Mystery of Faith. That is the Eucharist.

The prayer is properly called the “memorial acclamation” and that’s important.

The words “Mystery of Faith” refer to the Eucharist, not to the prayer itself.

The problem is that in the old translation “Let us proclaim the Mystery of Faith” it misled people to think that they were proclaiming the Mystery of Faith in the same way that we proclaim the Our Father. “Let us proclaim the Our Father” would mean “that’s the prayer which is coming next, so let us all proclaim it.”

Should we all “proclaim the Eucharist to the world”? Of course, yes. In a general sense, we should all proclaim the Mystery of Faith. Only that’s not what’s happening at that moment liturgically speaking.

During the Canon of the Mass, the true “Mystery of Faith” is not what we proclaim (as if it were the name of a prayer) but It is the Body and Blood of Christ present before us on the altar.

That’s why some people have a hard time with the new words “The Mystery of Faith” instead of “Let us proclaim…” The new words seem to be incomplete. There’s a verb missing. The missing verb is not “proclaim” as in let us proclaim, but it is “this IS the Mystery of Faith.”

This is one of the many corrections being made with the upcoming Roman Missal (Nov 27 can’t get here soon enough!), and it is an expression of just how necessary those corrections are.
 
asia53 said:
Yes. Last year, I attended a lecture about the new translation given by a nun/professor from one of the seminaries here. She told us: no biblical basis for “Christ has died…”, meaning-- even though this is what happened, these exact words aren’t in scripture. This mystery of faith primarily came about for use in childrens’ Masses. There were many people, from the bishops, priests, and laity, who objected to the removal of this one. However, the committee could not be swayed.
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Is there a biblical basis for any version? If so, isn’t that the one that should be used?
 
AndiShah said:
Is there a biblical basis for any version? If so, isn’t that the one that should be used?
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Not necessarily.

There is a great value in using quotes from Sacred Scripture within the Mass–no doubt about it.

At the same time, when it comes to the Church’s liturgy, the one that “should” be used is any of the texts which appear in the Roman Missal. Whenever we have options within the Mass of choosing one-or-the-other, neither of these options has more objective value than the other one.

There are times when some options might not be available (like using Eucharistic Prayer IV on Easter Sunday) or times when one might be a better choice, subjectively, than another (several choices for the opening collect at a funeral Mass, choose the one that best applies to the deceased).

As far as the Memorial Acclamations go, all of the options currently available are legitimate choices. No one option is preferred over the others.
 
FrDavid96 said:
As far as the Memorial Acclamations go, all of the options currently available are legitimate choices. No one option is preferred over the others.
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Although I wouldn’t use “Christ has Died” for multiple reasons:
  • It’s going away soon, so there’s really no reason to use it if you ask me
  • It’s questionable origins
 
TheMc said:
Although I wouldn’t use “Christ has Died” for multiple reasons:
  • It’s going away soon, so there’s really no reason to use it if you ask me
  • It’s questionable origins
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Personally, I don’t use it anymore. It’s gone as far as I’m concerned.

But it’s still a licit choice in the Mass, so if a priest does choose to use it, no one can fault him for it.

I want to be careful here and NOT say that if something is a licit choice in the Mass then that choice should not be exercised by the priest-celebrant. If a choice of Mass text comes down to nothing more than a matter of the celebrant’s preference, I have to respect that–we all have to respect it, even though we don’t have to like it.

I’m with you though, I don’t like it, and I’m most pleased that in a few weeks, it will be gone.
 
FrDavid96 said:
Personally, I don’t use it anymore. It’s gone as far as I’m concerned.

But it’s still a licit choice in the Mass, so if a priest does choose to use it, no one can fault him for it.

I want to be careful here and NOT say that if something is a licit choice in the Mass then that choice should not be exercised by the priest-celebrant. If a choice of Mass text comes down to nothing more than a matter of the celebrant’s preference, I have to respect that–we all have to respect it, even though we don’t have to like it.

I’m with you though, I don’t like it, and I’m most pleased that in a few weeks, it will be gone.
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I’m also not saying it’s illicit. I guess what I’m really saying is that I don’t prefer it. But with the corrected translation coming, this discussion is pretty pointless, so there’s not any need in even explaining myself here.
 
TheMc said:
I’m also not saying it’s illicit. I guess what I’m really saying is that I don’t prefer it. But with the corrected translation coming, this discussion is pretty pointless, so there’s not any need in even explaining myself here.
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I have to say that every time I use the current Sacramentary I grow to like the ICEL texts less each time. I don’t even have the new Missal yet (ordered but not shipped), so I’ve only seen excerpts, but I also get more eager to use it every time I look at those texts.

I just can’t wait. It’s a month away but it seems like 10 years.

And yes, I do know what you meant–I just wanted to make the point, lest someone else misunderstand me and think I’m faulting a priest who is still using it. I was imagining the posts “so, are you telling me my priest is wrong because we’re still saying Christ has Died…” Didn’t want to go there.
 
FrDavid96 said:
I have to say that every time I use the current Sacramentary I grow to like the ICEL texts less each time. I don’t even have the new Missal yet (ordered but not shipped), so I’ve only seen excerpts, but I also get more eager to use it every time I look at those texts.
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I just can’t wait. It’s a month away but it seems like 10 years.
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And yes, I do know what you meant–I just wanted to make the point, lest someone else misunderstand me and think I’m faulting a priest who is still using it. I was imagining the posts “so, are you telling me my priest is wrong because we’re still saying Christ has Died…” Didn’t want to go there.
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I agree. I’m so excited. I can’t wait to hear the words “consubstantial,” and “beseech,” and whatnot. I so wish more priests would use the absolutely beautiful Roman Canon. I wonder why they do not.
 
FrDavid96 said:
And yes, I do know what you meant–I just wanted to make the point, lest someone else misunderstand me and think I’m faulting a priest who is still using it. I was imagining the posts “so, are you telling me my priest is wrong because we’re still saying Christ has Died…” Didn’t want to go there.
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I can understand 🙂
 
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