Myths from other religions

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The scientific view of nature says that there were no changes in the physical laws, because there is no such evidence. What if after the Adam’s fall, the laws have changed?
Is it possible to get such evidence?
There is the Prometheus myth. We know from the Bible that from fallen angels and womens resulted mythical persons, heroes of the myths. What if the Prometheus myth had some plain truth in it, and there was a time when there was no burning of any fire ? Ancients were not that stupid, they saw trees set on fire by lightning and they knew to produce fire from sparks or heat.
 
Do you mean that there was a time when no one knew how to make fire or that there was a time when chemical combustion was impossible? Because the underlying physical and chemical laws that make combustion possible also govern everything else. In other words, a world where fire was impossible would be completely different than one we see when we look at this geological record.
 
It is too simple to make fire or to manage one. This is why I said that ancients were not that stupid. Also the story was important enough to be transmitted from genereation to generation.
 
Ion said:
The scientific view of nature says that there were no changes in the physical laws, because there is no such evidence. What if after the Adam’s fall, the laws have changed?
Is it possible to get such evidence?
There is the Prometheus myth. We know from the Bible that from fallen angels and womens resulted mythical persons, heroes of the myths. What if the Prometheus myth had some plain truth in it, and there was a time when there was no burning of any fire ? Ancients were not that stupid, they saw trees set on fire by lightning and they knew to produce fire from sparks or heat.
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Well I believe the world did change when Adam fell, just like how WE changed. And there is some truth to fallen angels mating with humans, it says it in the Bible as well as the book of Enoch. A lot of the myths and mythologies might have something to do with that too. The fallen angels mating with humans took place all over the world and in that same time period all cultures and people all over the world have their various mythologies of half human and half god like beings. Why is it that every culture all over the world had the same kinds of myths and mythologies of godlike beings on earth and even the Bible mentions fallen angels mating with human women and producing giants. The Bible plainly says there were giants alive back then with 12 fingers and 12 toes.

Also, making fire was one of the first things ancient people learned to do. 🙂
 
In the documentaries related to human prehistory, people knew how to use the fire more than 12000 ago, all over the world. Why would people make such a myth? If you only want to make a nice story, at least you make it with something more inteligent than that. Also, the myth of Pandora’s Box. Says that there was a time when there was no evil in the world. Very interesting.
 
Ion said:
In the documentaries related to human prehistory, people knew how to use the fire more than 12000 ago, all over the world. Why would people make such a myth? If you only want to make a nice story, at least you make it with something more inteligent than that. Also, the myth of Pandora’s Box. Says that there was a time when there was no evil in the world. Very interesting.
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Are you suggesting that the laws of reality were changed right after the fall? And yet, because these laws changed, we can no longer find evidence that it has?

Two problems with that:
  1. Myths were made people when civilization was at its very infancy. When scientific knowledge and understanding was not as advanced, their only recourse is the human imagination. We can’t expect myths to be more ‘intelligent’ when they didn’t even have the tools to obtain the knowledge required.
  2. The pink unicorn argument presented by atheists. Ever heard of it?
 
Lets say people knew how to handle the fire 12000 ago. A storm was comming, there was lightning, maybe the wood was set on fire, that was nothing extraordinary. It was common, it was part of nature. Then one day there come a guy with a story, about how a demigod stole the fire from the gods and brought it on earth. Now how do you put this two together? I do not think people were that stupid to swallow any new story no matter what. The same with gods, the atheist with the pink unicorn have a big problem: how did the first human convinced the others to make sacrifice (even a sheep was an important value) to an nonexistent god? If really nothing happened after that, did they keep making sacrifice? I don’t think they were that stupid.
 
Skye_Ariel said:
Well I believe the world did change when Adam fell, just like how WE changed. And there is some truth to fallen angels mating with humans, it says it in the Bible as well as the book of Enoch.
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There is no truth to fallen angels mating with humans…
First, Angels do not have bodies.
Second,
yrm.org/genesis_6.htm
 
TheReYUI said:
There is no truth to fallen angels mating with humans…
First, Angels do not have bodies.
Second,
yrm.org/genesis_6.htm
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LOL I know a lot of people don’t believe/accept it but I still do. 😉 There are plenty of times in the Bible where angels appeared with human bodies and indistinguishable from regular human such as when the angels went to lot to warn him about Sodom and Gomorrah and the homosexuals kept trying to proposition the angels to have relations with them. Angels can have physical bodies.

The Book of Enoch
CHAPTER VI.
  1. And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters. 2. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: ‘Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men and beget us children.’ 3. And Semjâzâ, who was their leader, said unto them: ‘I fear ye will not indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.’ 4. And they all answered
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him and said: ‘Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.’ 5. Then sware they all together and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. 6. And they were in all two hundred; who descended ⌈in the days⌉ of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. 7. And these are the names of their leaders: Sêmîazâz, their leader, Arâkîba, Râmêêl, Kôkabîêl, Tâmîêl, Râmîêl, Dânêl, Êzêqêêl, Barâqîjâl, Asâêl, Armârôs, Batârêl, Anânêl, Zaqîêl, Samsâpêêl, Satarêl, Tûrêl, Jômjâêl, Sariêl. 8. These are their chiefs of tens.

CHAPTER VII.
  1. And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. 2. And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: 3. Who consumed all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, 4. the giants turned against them and devoured mankind. 5. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish, and to devour one another’s flesh, and drink the blood. 6. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones.
CHAPTER VIII.
  1. And Azâzêl taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals 〈of the earth〉 and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all colouring tinctures. 2. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjâzâ taught enchantments, and root-cuttings, Armârôs the resolving of enchantments, Barâqîjâl,
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[paragraph continues] (taught) astrology, Kôkabêl the constellations, Ezêqêêl the knowledge of the clouds, 〈Araqiêl the signs of the earth, Shamsiêl the signs of the sun〉, and Sariêl the course of the moon. And as men perished, they cried, and their cry went up to heaven . . .
 
CHAPTER IX.
  1. And then Michael, Uriel, Raphael, and Gabriel looked down from heaven and saw much blood being shed upon the earth, and all lawlessness being wrought upon the earth. 2. And they said one to another: ‘The earth made †without inhabitant cries the voice of their crying† up to the gates of heaven. 3 ⌈⌈And now to you, the holy ones of heaven⌉⌉, the souls of men make their suit, saying, “Bring our cause before the Most High.”.’ 4. And they said to the Lord of the ages: 'Lord of lords, God of gods, King of kings, 〈and God of the ages〉, the throne of Thy glory (standeth) unto all the generations of the ages, and Thy name holy and glorious and blessed unto all the ages! 5. Thou hast made all things, and power over all things hast Thou: and all things are naked and open in Thy sight, and Thou seest all things, and nothing can hide itself from Thee. 6. Thou seest what Azâzêl hath done, who hath taught all unrighteousness on earth and revealed the eternal secrets which were (preserved) in heaven, which men were striving to learn: 7. And Semjâzâ, to whom Thou hast given authority to bear rule over his associates. 8. And they have gone to the daughters of men upon the earth, and have slept with the women, and have defiled themselves, and revealed to them all kinds of sins. 9. And the women have borne giants, and the whole earth has thereby been filled with blood and unrighteousness. 10. And now, behold, the souls of those who have died are crying and making their suit to the gates of heaven, and their lamentations have ascended: and cannot cease because of the lawless deeds which are wrought on the earth. 11. And Thou knowest all things before they come to pass, and
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[paragraph continues] Thou seest these things and Thou dost suffer them, and Thou dost not say to us what we are to do to them in regard to these.’

CHAPTER X.
  1. Then said the Most High, the Holy and Great One spake, and sent Uriel to the son of Lamech, and said to him: 2. ‘〈Go to Noah〉 and tell him in my name “Hide thyself!” and reveal to him the end that is approaching: that the whole earth will be destroyed, and a deluge is about to come upon the whole earth, and will destroy all that is on it. 3. And now instruct him that he may escape and his seed may be preserved for all the generations of the world.’ 4. And again the Lord said to Raphael: ‘Bind Azâzêl hand and foot, and cast him into the darkness: and make an opening in the desert, which is in Dûdâêl, and cast him therein. 5. And place upon him rough and jagged rocks, and cover him with darkness, and let him abide there for ever, and cover his face that he may not see light. 6. And on the day of the great judgement he shall be cast into the fire. And heal the earth which the angels have corrupted, and proclaim the healing of the earth, that they may heal the plague, and that all the children of men may not perish through all the secret things that the Watchers have disclosed and have taught their sons. 8. And the whole earth has been corrupted through the works that were taught by Azâzêl: to him ascribe all sin.’ 9. And to Gabriel said the Lord: ‘Proceed against the bastards and the reprobates, and against the children of fornication: and destroy [the children of fornication and] the children of the Watchers from amongst men [and cause them to go forth]: send them one against the other that they may destroy each other in battle: for length of days shall they not have. 10. And no request that they (i.e. their fathers) make of thee shall be granted unto their fathers on their behalf; for they hope to live an eternal life, and that each one of them will live five hundred years.’ 11. And the Lord said unto Michael: 'Go, bind Semjâzâ and
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his associates who have united themselves with women so as to have defiled themselves with them in all their uncleanness. 12. And when their sons have slain one another, and they have seen the destruction of their beloved ones, bind them fast for seventy generations in the valleys of the earth, till the day of their judgement and of their consummation, till the judgement that is for ever and ever is consummated. 13. In those days they shall be led off to the abyss of fire: 〈and〉 to the torment and the prison in which they shall be confined for ever. And whosoever shall be condemned and destroyed will from thenceforth be bound together with them to the end of all generations. 15. And destroy all the spirits of the reprobate and the children of the Watchers, because they have wronged mankind. Destroy all wrong from the face of the earth and let every evil work come to an end: and let the plant of righteousness and truth appear: ⌈and it shall prove a blessing; the works of righteousness and truth⌉ shall be planted in truth and joy for evermore.
 
17 And then shall all the righteous escape,
And shall live till they beget thousands of children,
And all the days of their youth and their old age
Shall they complete in peace.

18 And then shall the whole earth be tilled in righteousness, and shall all be planted with trees and be full of blessing. 19. And all desirable trees shall be planted on it, and they shall plant vines on it: and the vine which they plant thereon shall yield wine in abundance, and as for all the seed which is sown thereon each measure (of it) shall bear a thousand, and each measure of olives shall yield ten presses of oil. 20. And cleanse thou the earth from all oppression, and from all unrighteousness, and from all sin, and from all godlessness: and all the uncleanness that is wrought upon the earth destroy from off the earth. 21. ⌈And all the children of men shall become righteous⌉, and all nations shall

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offer adoration and shall praise Me, and all shall worship Me. And the earth shall be cleansed from all defilement, and from all sin, and from all punishment, and from all torment, and I will never again send (them) upon it from generation to generation and for ever.

You should read the whole book, it’s very interesting, and this is the book that several verses in the Bible makes reference to. 👍
 
In the Book of Revelation, 13:12
“It wielded all the authority of the first beast in its sight and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose mortal wound had been healed. It performed great signs, even making fire come down from heaven to earth in the sight of everyone”
It looks like the second beast, 666 one, will do something like Prometheus did.
Maybe Prometheus brought some fire which was different than the natural one?
 
[Chapter 15]
1 And He answered and said to me, and I heard His voice: 'Fear not, Enoch, thou righteous 2 man and scribe of righteousness: approach hither and hear my voice. And go, say to the Watchers of heaven, who have sent thee to intercede for them: “You should intercede” for men, and not men 3 for you: Wherefore have ye left the high, holy, and eternal heaven, and lain with women, and defiled yourselves with the daughters of men and taken to yourselves wives, and done like the children 4 of earth, and begotten giants (as your) sons? And though ye were holy, spiritual, living the eternal life, you have defiled yourselves with the blood of women, and have begotten (children) with the blood of flesh, and, as the children of men, have lusted after flesh and blood as those also do who die 5 and perish. Therefore have I given them wives also that they might impregnate them, and beget 6 children by them, that thus nothing might be wanting to them on earth. But you were formerly 7 spiritual, living the eternal life, and immortal for all generations of the world. And therefore I have not appointed wives for you; for as for the spiritual ones of the heaven, in heaven is their dwelling. 8 And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon 9 the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men and from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin; 10 they shall be evil spirits on earth, and evil spirits shall they be called. [As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling.] And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, but nevertheless 12 hunger and thirst, and cause offences. And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded from them.

That’s where evil spirits come from.
 
Skye_Ariel said:
LOL I know a lot of people don’t believe/accept it but I still do. 😉 There are plenty of times in the Bible where angels appeared with human bodies and indistinguishable from regular human such as when the angels went to lot to warn him about Sodom and Gomorrah and the homosexuals kept trying to proposition the angels to have relations with them. Angels can have physical bodies.

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Angels can apear to have physical bodies but they do not have them like us.
We are spirit and body, angels are spirit. (Read Thomas Aquinas)
The homosexuals probably didn’t understand the nature of angels.
I do not believe God would allow such an abomination to exist but I may be wrong.

God Bless
 
** And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells:**
That is about 1Km height. I can’t imagine something like this.
 
Certainly, the myths have this “invisible pink unicorn” dimension. It is like a core of truth wrapped in all sort of fantastic elements. Maybe the storyline was the public version, and only some initiated got the meaning of this fantastic elements? Probably “the 666”-one will play Prometheus when his time will come…
This is my feeling, the other religions are too sophisticated in order to fool some neanderthals willing to believe in “invisible pink unicorns”
 
On the other hand it is possible that people kept in their stories from ancestors memories from the beginnings. Memories about a time when there was no evil, no fire, memory of a great flood or gigantic people. As the new religions developed, they had to accomodate this stories somehow. And they did it through this myths.
 
Ion said:
In the Book of Revelation, 13:12
“It wielded all the authority of the first beast in its sight and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose mortal wound had been healed. It performed great signs, even making fire come down from heaven to earth in the sight of everyone”
It looks like the second beast, 666 one, will do something like Prometheus did.
Maybe Prometheus brought some fire which was different than the natural one?
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The First Beast is Freemasonry and the Second Beast is Ecclesiastical Freemasonry.
 
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