N.O. Mass with Latin responses?

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Ok so we have a young priest who is moving parishes and for his “going away” present he is going to incorporate Latin into the 10AM Mass on Sunday. This is huge in my diocese!! For reasons I have explained before, there is hostility toward Latin. I am surprised he was able to do this. He made it clear in the announcement that it was not the “old Mass” but rather the responses would be in Latin. Now I am definitely going because I am one who has been clamoring for more Latin and am interested in having a Latin Mass someday. The party line from the diocese is always about “numbers” So I think it is important to show support for anything incorporating Latin into it.

My question: Can anyone point me to what I need to know to participate better in this Mass on Sunday?
 
Perhaps you can find out if they will be providing booklets for the mass. My former parish does a Latin OF mass every other Sunday. They provided booklets with responses as well as the music for chanted responses.
 
Moore11 said:
Ok so we have a young priest who is moving parishes and for his “going away” present he is going to incorporate Latin into the 10AM Mass on Sunday. This is huge in my diocese!! For reasons I have explained before, there is hostility toward Latin. I am surprised he was able to do this. He made it clear in the announcement that it was not the “old Mass” but rather the responses would be in Latin. Now I am definitely going because I am one who has been clamoring for more Latin and am interested in having a Latin Mass someday. The party line from the diocese is always about “numbers” So I think it is important to show support for anything incorporating Latin into it.

My question: Can anyone point me to what I need to know to participate better in this Mass on Sunday?
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This might be helpful.

oldstmarys.org/sacredliturgy/latinmass.html
 
Some of the new missals that came with the 3rd edition English translation have the Ordinary of the Mass in Latin-English.

That said, you’re very familiar with the OF Mass, right? I’ll bet that even with an English-only missal you wouldn’t have any trouble following along. If they want people to make all the responses I’ll sure they’ll provide something.
 
No suggestions, but I sure would like to follow this and see how it goes…
 
Our missalette doesn’t have the Ordinary of the Mass in Latin, but the responses are, I think in the music section. We do Latin responses all the time, so I’ve got them memorized. Now and then I look them up to make sure I’m still on track. You may want to check whatever your parish already has, unless it’s one of those that doesn’t use anything, which I think is sneaky.
 
Moore11 said:
My question: Can anyone point me to what I need to know to participate better in this Mass on Sunday?
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Also, remember that the Church does not frame participation at Mass solely or even primarily by your external actions. If you begin by united yourself to Christ’s sacrifice in your heart and say “et cum spiritu tuo,” you’re doing fine. Improvement will come with repetition.
 
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No suggestions, but I sure would like to follow this and see how it goes…
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Yes, I’d be interested too. There is immense hostility to Latin almost everywhere except in some places (I have no idea what makes some places hate Latin more than others). This is very curious, but Latin is the normative language of the Roman rite and thus the normative language of the Roman rite Mass.

I know of exactly one place in Texas that celebrates a Latin OF Mass: Annunciation in Houston, run by an elderly monsignor who was a priest before Vatican II even started. He also celebrates regular EF masses there.
 
I think this is what the OP is looking for.

saintmark-mn.org/roman_missal.html

Scroll down about one third of the way to the section titled “The Text of the Roman Missal.”

There are seperate PDF’s for Greeting, Penitential Rite, Gloria, Lord’s Prayer, Sign of Peace, and so forth, each with side-by-side Latin, Sacramentary (old pre-Advent 2011) and Roman Missal (current post-Advent 2011) texts.

-Tim-
 
sw85 said:
Note that ecclesiastical Latin is radically different than imperial/classical Latin, so if you’re familiar with the latter, it may take some work to adjust to the former.
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Thanks for the link. It will be helpful for those who studied the traditional Latin of St. Sixtus III, not the modern Latin of St. Pius X. 🙂
 
sw85 said:
There is immense hostility to Latin almost everywhere except in some places (I have no idea what makes some places hate Latin more than others).
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“Hostility” and “hate” seem rather unreasonable, but I admit to not having been “almost everywhere.” Where we practice Eucharistic adoration, the Latin flows freely, and there’s nary a clenched fist or gritted tooth to be seen.
 
Moore11 said:
For reasons I have explained before, there is hostility toward Latin.
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Maybe part of the resitance you are experiencing is your use of termanology that Rome has left behind. Calling the Ordinary Form the N.O.

Mabye the resistance is caused in part due to the way that Latin is pushed.
 
justme said:
Maybe part of the resitance you are experiencing is your use of termanology that Rome has left behind. Calling the Ordinary Form the N.O.

Mabye the resistance is caused in part due to the way that Latin is pushed.
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Lots of people call it the “NO” quite innocently, out of an old habit, or because they haven’t read Summorum Pontificum.

Recently we invited a lot of people, young and old, all very devout, to experience the “Extraordinary Form of the Mass” at our local oratory. Not one person I spoke to knew what the heck we were talking about until we said “traditional Latin Mass.”

These things take time.
 
St Margaret Mary in Oakland, CA has a Latin NO Mass every Sunday. That parish is into Latin in a way, and gives lessons in Latin.
 
sw85 said:
The first bullet on this page contains a link to a missallette for the OF Mass in Latin: frcoulter.com/presentations/latin-novus-ordo.html.

Latin has some slightly different pronunciation rules, so use this guide to help you work it out: ewtn.com/expert/answers/ecclesiastical_latin.htm.

Note that ecclesiastical Latin is radically different than imperial/classical Latin, so if you’re familiar with the latter, it may take some work to adjust to the former.
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Thanks!👍

:blessyou:
 
justme said:
Maybe part of the resitance you are experiencing is your use of termanology that Rome has left behind. Calling the Ordinary Form the N.O.

Mabye the resistance is caused in part due to the way that Latin is pushed.
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:rolleyes: Yeah, I know better. It just gets so confusing. Sometimes it is like the PC police has infected the Church. But I can assure you that it was an innocent mistake. What is not a mistake is the hostility to Anything latin in our diocese. But this is a HUGE step. Though I think the Bishop does not know about it and it is at the Cathedral:eek::eek:
 
sw85 said:
Yes, I’d be interested too. There is immense hostility to Latin almost everywhere except in some places (I have no idea what makes some places hate Latin more than others). This is very curious, but Latin is the normative language of the Roman rite and thus the normative language of the Roman rite Mass.

I know of exactly one place in Texas that celebrates a Latin OF Mass: Annunciation in Houston, run by an elderly monsignor who was a priest before Vatican II even started. He also celebrates regular EF masses there.
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Our Lady of the Atonement in San Antonio is an Anglican Use parish, but has a Latin OF Mass on Sunday evenings. The parish as a whole is liturgically meticulous, and I notice that they even use the term Novus Ordo. (This is the same term that Rome used during the early days of postconciliar liturgical form, the *Novus Ordo Missae, *and why it dies hard in so many of us, out of habit.)
atonementonline.com/Mass_schedule.php
 
Chatter163 said:
Our Lady of the Atonement in San Antonio is an Anglican Use parish, but has a Latin OF Mass on Sunday evenings. The parish as a whole is liturgically meticulous, and I notice that they even use the term Novus Ordo. (This is the same term that Rome used during the early days of postconciliar liturgical form, the *Novus Ordo Missae, *and why it dies hard in so many of us, out of habit.)
atonementonline.com/Mass_schedule.php
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I’ve been pondering a trip to San Antonio, about which I’ve never heard anything bad. I may have to make a stop there now!
 
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