N. T. Wright's Views on Purgatory and the Invocation of Saints' Prayers

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I’ve been reading one of N. T. Wright’s great books, Surprised by Hope: Rethinking Heaven, the Resurrection, and the Mission of the Church (New York: HarperCollins, 2008). His teaching is refreshing to hear, and I encounter very little contention with what he’s been saying. That obviously implies, however, that there are ruts where I don’t ride smoothly on his mystagogical pathway. These ruts deal, in particular, with Wright’s views on the invocation of saints and on purgatory. Can someone provide responses to these (which have become my concerns, in turn)?

I don’t need to provide much for your information beyond quotes from his book, specifically from the chapter “Purgatory, Paradise, Heaven.” I’ll try not to quote too much so as not to infringe on the author’s copyright (Forum moderators, have mercy!).

The first quote comes from page 166:

Purgatory is basically a Roman Catholic doctrine. It is not held as such in the Eastern Orthodox church, and it was decisively rejected, on biblical and theological grounds and not merely because of an antipathy to particular abuses, at the Reformation. The main statements on purgatory come from Aquinas in the thirteenth century and Dante in the fourteenth century, but the notion became woven deeply into the entire psyche of the whole period.

Wright then proceeds to note the apparently dissenting opinions against purgatory of theologians Karl Rahner and Joseph Ratzinger, the latter of which views final purgation as occurring at the final judgment. Wright says, on page 167:

Building on 1 Corinthians 3, he [Ratzinger] argued that the Lord himself is the fire of judgment, which transforms us as he conforms us to his glorious, resurrected body. This happens not during a long, drawn-out process but in the moment of final judgment itself. By thus linking purgatory to Jesus Christ himself as the eschatological fire, Ratzinger detached the doctrine of purgatory from the concept of an intermediate state and broke the link that in the Middle Ages gave rise to the idea of indulgences and so provided a soft target for Protestant polemic.

He also takes issue with the feast of All Souls as a distinct commemoration from the feast of All Saints, calling the former “a tenth-century Benedictine innovation.” On page 168, the author states: “This commemoration [All Souls’] assumes a sharp distinction between the ‘saints,’ who are already in heaven, and the ‘souls,’ who aren’t and who are therefore still less than completely happy and need our help (as we say today) to ‘move on.’ It is this [distinction] that I …] challenge.”

He goes on to say on the next page:

…] [T]here is no reason in the New Testament to suppose that there are any category distinctions between different Christians in heaven as they await the resurrection. In the early Christian writings all Christians are “saints,” including the muddled and sinful Corinthians. …] The only passage in the New Testament that makes any kind of distinction at this point is 1 Corinthians 3, which speaks of Christian workers who build with gold, silver, and precious stones and others who build with wood, hay, and stubble. But Paul doesn’t say that the one group will go straight to heaven while the others go to purgatory. …] [A]s the pope [Benedict XVI] now appears to acknowledge, it doesn’t indicate that there is a difference of status or of celestial geography or of temporal progression between one category of Christians after death and another. …] [T]here is no reason whatever to say, for instance, that Peter or Paul, …] or even, dare I say, the mother of Jesus herself is more advanced, closer to God, has achieved more spiritual growth, or whatever, than those Christians who have been martyred in our own day or indeed those who have died quietly in their beds.

He then gives this view:

…] Paul makes it clear here [Romans 8] and elsewhere that it’s the present life that is meant to function as a purgatory. The sufferings of the present time, not of some postmortem state, are the valley through which we have to pass in order to reach the glorious future. I think I know why purgatory became so popular, why Dante’s middle volume is the one people most easily relate to. The myth of purgatory is an allegory, a projection from the present onto the future.

Now, to move on to his issue with the invocation of saints’ prayers. He does share, as an Anglican, the Catholic sense of the “communion of saints.” On page 172, he says: “When we celebrate the Eucharist they [the saints] are there with us, along with the angels and archangels. Why then should we not pray for and with them?”

He does proceed to acknowledge the logic of invoking the prayers of saints. Nevertheless, he concludes, on page 173:

But—and this is very important for those who, like me, believe that it’s vital to ground one’s beliefs in scripture itself—I see no evidence in the early Christian writings to suggest that the Christian dead are in fact engaged in work of that sort, still less any suggestion that presently alive Christians should, so to speak, encourage them to do it by invoking them specifically.

In particular, we should be very suspicious of the medieval idea that the saints function as friends at court so that while we might be shy of approaching the King ourselves, we know someone who is, as it were, one of us, to whom we can talk freely and who will maybe put in a good word for us. The practice seems to call into question, and even actually to deny by implication, the immediacy of access to God through Jesus Christ and in the Spirit, promised again and again in the New Testament. …] Explicit invocation of saints may be, in fact—I do not say it always is, but it may be—a step toward that semipaganism of which the Reformers were rightly afraid.
 
Where to begin… With sleight of hand he attempts to hide essential facts and glosses over others.

"It is not held as such in the Eastern Orthodox church"…

As such perhaps, but that doesn’t mean they lack a doctrine of purification after death. The Orthodox pray for the dead, remember them at Divine Liturgy, etc. Do they agree with all aspects of the Catholic doctrine? No, but to just say “it is not held as such” doesn’t tell you anything at all.

"The main statements on purgatory come from Aquinas in the thirteenth century and Dante in the fourteenth century"

This is also misleading on several levels. If by “main statements” he means the most fully developed, that may be true. But they are not the only, the earliest, or necessarily the most important statements. Dante’s *Purgatorio *isn’t even a work of theology, it’s fiction. Influential, perhaps, but also a reflection of common belief. Long before St. Thomas, the Fathers of the Church and other early Christian writers attest to the existence of a place of purification after death. I’m sure Catholic Answers has a list of such writers, with quotations, somewhere on their site.

I’m sure Wright would agree that historically, doctrines are not generally defined until they are denied. The divinity of the Holy Ghost, which N.T. Wright believes in, wasn’t defined until the end of the 4th century. Does that mean Christendom hitherto had no such belief, and that it was concocted out of thin air?

"Ratzinger"

I haven’t read then-Father or Cardinal Ratzinger’s writings on purgatory, but whatever he theorized as a theologian he did not change the Church’s teaching either on purgatory or indulgences. As Pope he had the opportunity to define a formal teaching about it and didn’t.

Alleged Lack of New Testament Witness

The New Testament calling all the Church’s members, dead and alive, saints, is a non-sequitur, as it is completely consistent with the doctrine of purgatory.

Wright’s blithe dismissal of the passage about wood, hay, stubble, etc. is absurd. Because St. Paul uses figurative language and doesn’t explicitly describe two places, therefore the passage is irrelevant? Seriously?

"I see no evidence in the early Christian writings to suggest that the Christian dead are in fact engaged in work of that sort…"

Not sure what criteria he’s applying here. If a saint is praying for us in heaven, we don’t necessarily know about it. There are in fact miracle stories about people touching the bones or blood of martyrs and being healed of diseases, etc, but how common are miracles? If a particular saint is praying for us, obtaining graces for us, we shouldn’t expect to see or hear that intercession taking place. What we should look for is evidence that the early Christians invoked the faithful departed for intercession. And such evidence we do find, e.g. in the Shepherd of Hermas, Origen, St. Methodius, St. Cyril of Jerusalem, and others, not to mention the ancient prayers and liturgies of the Church.

"the medieval idea that the saints function as friends at court…"

Not a Medieval idea, though it was developed and elaborated by Medieval writers.

"…seems to call into question, and even actually to deny by implication, the immediacy of access to God through Jesus Christ and in the Spirit,"

It only seems that way if you create a dichotomy. That a child approaches Mom when he thinks Dad will say no, doesn’t deny his ability to go straight to Dad.
 
"The main statements on purgatory come from Aquinas in the thirteenth century and Dante in the fourteenth century"

This is also misleading on several levels. If by “main statements” he means the most fully developed, that may be true. But they are not the only, the earliest, or necessarily the most important statements. Dante’s *Purgatorio *isn’t even a work of theology, it’s fiction. Influential, perhaps, but also a reflection of common belief. Long before St. Thomas, the Fathers of the Church and other early Christian writers attest to the existence of a place of purification after death. I’m sure Catholic Answers has a list of such writers, with quotations, somewhere on their site.

I’m sure Wright would agree that historically, doctrines are not generally defined until they are denied. The divinity of the Holy Ghost, which N.T. Wright believes in, wasn’t defined until the end of the 4th century. Does that mean Christendom hitherto had no such belief, and that it was concocted out of thin air?

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"I see no evidence in the early Christian writings to suggest that the Christian dead are in fact engaged in work of that sort…"

Not sure what criteria he’s applying here. If a saint is praying for us in heaven, we don’t necessarily know about it. There are in fact miracle stories about people touching the bones or blood of martyrs and being healed of diseases, etc, but how common are miracles? If a particular saint is praying for us, obtaining graces for us, we shouldn’t expect to see or hear that intercession taking place. What we should look for is evidence that the early Christians invoked the faithful departed for intercession. And such evidence we do find, e.g. in the Shepherd of Hermas, Origen, St. Methodius, St. Cyril of Jerusalem, and others, not to mention the ancient prayers and liturgies of the Church.
To what writings might you point me to begin with?
 
You will find a number of writings cited chapter and verse in the Catholic Encyclopedia, s.v. “Purgatory”, along with a good summary of the issues.
 
I like N.T. Wright and read this book about 4 years ago, so my memory of it is spotty. I do remember it having a profound affect on my view of life after death and it being very educational on the resurrection of the dead.

Concerning the passages on purgatory, I think he is wrong for assuming Aquinas and Dante were the major contributors to this doctrine. In college, I wrote a research paper called “The Development of the Doctrine of Purgatory”–in it I concluded that the belief of a final purgation was certainly around in the early church, the word “purgatory” wouldn’t have been used though. You can see this in the writings of Origen, Clement, Iraneaus, Chrysostom, then later on with Ambrose, and most definitely with Augustine. Augustine actually uses the word “purgatorio” a few times, and to my knowledge, he was the first to start using the term, in a Christian context–I concede that I could be wrong in this.

The idea of what purgatory was certainly changed over time and took on elements of the times that weren’t spoken of previously (i.e. indulgences and spending a certain period time for certain sins, etc…), but these things were never formalized in the doctrine, if I’m not mistaken. As a protestant, I can fully agree with the quote from Pope Benedict XVI. I certainly believe in a cleansing of the soul, through the grace of God–however, I do not see Purgatory as a “3rd place” if you will.
 
Does not Jesus point to Purgatory in the following passage here? Taken from this website: shamelesspopery.com/does-matthew-21-prove-purgatory/
I haven’t heard Matthew 21:28-32 used to defend Purgatory before, but it seems to me that it does so pretty plainly. Jesus is speaking here to “the chief priests and elders of the people”:
28″But what do you think? A man had two sons, and he came to the first and said, ‘Son, go work today in the vineyard.’
29″And he answered, ‘I will not’; but afterward he regretted it and went.
30″The man came to the second and said the same thing; and he answered, ‘I will, sir’; but he did not go.
31″Which of the two did the will of his father?” They said, “The first.” Jesus said to them, “Truly I say to you that the tax collectors and prostitutes will get into the kingdom of God before you.
32″For John came to you in the way of righteousness and you did not believe him; but the tax collectors and prostitutes did believe him; and you, seeing this, did not even feel remorse afterward so as to believe him.
There are plenty of directions in which to go from reading this. First, the Kingdom of God here refers to Heaven. The tax collectors and prostitutes already believe, but will get into the Kingdom of God, so it’s related to a future state. Second, Christ is explicitly tying salvation to obedient works: acts of faith, rather than simply belief. Third, this supports the notion of so-called “Anonymous Christians,” something usually denied by Protestants, and occassionally by Catholics as well. This is the notion that there are some who are not publicly Christians (and perhaps do not even consider themselves Christians), who still are Christians. Matthew 21:28-32 pretty clearly establishes that you can’t establish who’s damned simply by looking at the external markers.
But the most fundamental thing about the passage is that Jesus is saying that some people, due to their faith, will get to Heaven before others. If Purgatory weren’t real, I have no idea how one would read Matthew 21:31. Jesus obviously doesn’t mean that the tax collectors and prostitutes are going to die sooner. And so, if they’re not going to die sooner, but they are going to arrive in Heaven sooner, doesn’t that suggest that the chief priests and elders are going to be delayed a bit after death? Note also that here, Jesus isn’t suggesting that they’re not going to Heaven, just that they’re going to get there after the tax collectors and prostitutes. In fact, if they’re not getting there at all, I don’t see how v. 31 makes sense.
 
Does not Jesus point to Purgatory in the following passage here? Taken from this website: shamelesspopery.com/does-matthew-21-prove-purgatory/
N. T. Wright would immediately argue that it’s a misnomer to say “kingdom of God” refers to the future paradisic state after death. The whole point of his book is to claim that “kingdom of God” is something that takes place here and now, with our disembodied souls in heaven as a stop on the way to the resurrection.
 
st. peter says Jesus appeared to the righteous who died before His Incarnation in this world and preached the gospel to them thus allowing them to enter heaven.

the apostles creed also refers to Jesus descending in to hell.

Jesus was a practicing jew and as such He would have said the jewish prayers for the dead.

in 1 Maccabees, praying for the dead is recommended.

st. monica asked st. augustine, her son, to say masses for the repose of her soul.

so far as we know, there is no record of the doctrine of purgatory being introduced in to christianity at any time subsequent to the apostles or introduced by any one.

since only the pure of heart can see God, and since it is self-evident that many who die are still attached to worldly things and desires and thus would not be considered pure of heart, the doctrine of purgatory is entirely logical and reasonable.

i am sure there is far better explanations, support and evidence of the doctrine being from Christ that my few above.

however, i would point out that praying for the dead based on the teaching of the RCC on purgatory and the remission of punishment due to sins through a temporal suffering is a practice of love and charity and doing so cannot in any way be of harm to anyone.
 
. . . . .Now, to move on to his issue with the invocation of saints’ prayers. He does share, as an Anglican, the Catholic sense of the “communion of saints.” On page 172, he says: “When we celebrate the Eucharist they [the saints] are there with us, along with the angels and archangels. Why then should we not pray for and with them?”

He does proceed to acknowledge the logic of invoking the prayers of saints. Nevertheless, he concludes, on page 173:But—and this is very important for those who, like me, believe that it’s vital to ground one’s beliefs in scripture itself—I see no evidence in the early Christian writings to suggest that the Christian dead are in fact engaged in work of that sort, still less any suggestion that presently alive Christians should, so to speak, encourage them to do it by invoking them specifically.

In particular, we should be very suspicious of the medieval idea that the saints function as friends at court so that while we might be shy of approaching the King ourselves, we know someone who is, as it were, one of us, to whom we can talk freely and who will maybe put in a good word for us. The practice seems to call into question, and even actually to deny by implication, the immediacy of access to God through Jesus Christ and in the Spirit, promised again and again in the New Testament. …] Explicit invocation of saints may be, in fact—I do not say it always is, but it may be—a step toward that semipaganism of which the Reformers were rightly afraid.
I’ve read N. T. Wright’s, *Surprised by Hope: Rethinking Heaven, the Resurrection, and the Mission of the Church. *I think it is an excellent book, but not all Anglicans agree with every word.There are certainly Anglicans who do believe in the invocation of the Saints. My former Anglican Priest (sadly, I’ve moved,) certainly called upon The Blessed Virgin Mary for prayer.

*Hail Mary full of Grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed are thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus. Holy Mary Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death Amen.
*
 
Part of the problem is that he defined “Purgatory” too narrowly, as shown by the fact that he thinks Rahner and Ratzinger are rejecting it.

The key concept in purgatory is post-mortem purgation. Thinking of it as a place or as something that takes a period of time is not central to the doctrine.

His objections to devotion to the saints are the standard Protestant ones. I don’t think he has any arguments here that add to the issue as it’s been discussed many times before.

I am tempted at times to think that he plays up these issues because, in fact, his adoption of the “New Perspective” is a pretty heavy blow to Protestant soteriology. It’s hard to see how traditional Protestantism can really survive his conclusions on the interpretation of Paul, if they’re correct. Wright doesn’t make this application, to be sure. But he’s come under heavy fire nonetheless (and I think his critics are right about the implications of his theories, though wrong about whether his exegesis is basically correct). Stressing issues where he really does disagree with Catholicism is one way of protecting his “Reformed flank.”
 
Does not Jesus point to Purgatory in the following passage here? Taken from this website: shamelesspopery.com/does-matthew-21-prove-purgatory/
I haven’t heard Matthew 21:28-32 used to defend Purgatory before, but it seems to me that it does so pretty plainly. Jesus is speaking here to “the chief priests and elders of the people”:
28″But what do you think? A man had two sons, and he came to the first and said, ‘Son, go work today in the vineyard.’
29″And he answered, ‘I will not’; but afterward he regretted it and went.
30″The man came to the second and said the same thing; and he answered, ‘I will, sir’; but he did not go.
31″Which of the two did the will of his father?” They said, “The first.” Jesus said to them, “Truly I say to you that the tax collectors and prostitutes will get into the kingdom of God before you.
32″For John came to you in the way of righteousness and you did not believe him; but the tax collectors and prostitutes did believe him; and you, seeing this, did not even feel remorse afterward so as to believe him.
There are plenty of directions in which to go from reading this. First, the Kingdom of God here refers to Heaven. The tax collectors and prostitutes already believe, but will get into the Kingdom of God, so it’s related to a future state. Second, Christ is explicitly tying salvation to obedient works: acts of faith, rather than simply belief. Third, this supports the notion of so-called “Anonymous Christians,” something usually denied by Protestants, and occassionally by Catholics as well. This is the notion that there are some who are not publicly Christians (and perhaps do not even consider themselves Christians), who still are Christians. Matthew 21:28-32 pretty clearly establishes that you can’t establish who’s damned simply by looking at the external markers.
But the most fundamental thing about the passage is that Jesus is saying that some people, due to their faith, will get to Heaven before others. If Purgatory weren’t real, I have no idea how one would read Matthew 21:31. Jesus obviously doesn’t mean that the tax collectors and prostitutes are going to die sooner. And so, if they’re not going to die sooner, but they are going to arrive in Heaven sooner, doesn’t that suggest that the chief priests and elders are going to be delayed a bit after death? Note also that here, Jesus isn’t suggesting that they’re not going to Heaven, just that they’re going to get there after the tax collectors and prostitutes. In fact, if they’re not getting there at all, I don’t see how v. 31 makes sense.
That is a very interesting observation. Worth thinking about.
 
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