NAB OT Revision News

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I am not sure if anyone has posted on this, but I spotted some information about the upcoming revised NAB OT. Looking at the Catholic Biblical Association’s website, they have provided information about the history of the NAB OT revision. Basically, the OT revision is complete and has been approved by the USCCB. However, and this is really great news, it won’t be released until a re-revised Psalms is completed. I have always felt that the revised NAB NT was pretty good overall, with the OT being outdated and the '91 Psalms being not so good. Perhaps this is a good time to keep all of those who are involved in this project in our prayers, asking for the intercession of St. Jerome.

For more info:

cba.cua.edu/nabotch4.htm
catholicbibles.blogspot.com/2009/06/nab-revised-ot-news.html
 
GREAT!!! 😃

Also, I emailed USCCB about a release date and they told me:
We are hoping that the text will be approved and released to publishers in the Fall of this year which would mean that the text would be available to the public at the end of 2009 or beginning of 2010.
I will keep them in my prayers as well!
 
Do tell.

What is the motivatioin for spending money on this effort, when the parade seems to be heading in the direction of the RSV-CE 2nd Ed, the latter being arguably an ecumenically oriented translation?
 
Do tell.

What is the motivatioin for spending money on this effort, when the parade seems to be heading in the direction of the RSV-CE 2nd Ed, the latter being arguably an ecumenically oriented translation?
Cause I’d like a Bible used in mass… It’s just a matter of taste… I still own a Douay-Rheims and RSV-2CE… the NAB should’ve been a Bible by Catholics for Catholics used in liturgy.

Its a shame that the NAB has such a backlash today. A few people say its bad, then everyone thinks so. Unfortunately the majority of the “anti-NAB” mass have never even read the NAB and if they have they look at it for a few minutes, compare it to the infallible RSV-CE and critic every part of it. It’s a mob mentality.

Only real problem is the inclusive language. However this will hopefully be toned down in the revision.

The translation format is a matter of taste.

Ecumenism is great but only to an extent…

I have an idea, how about we all use the NIV, we can add the “apocrypha” as they call it… Let’s change our masses so they feel more Protestant too and tone down the Marian devotions… they offend other demoniations 🤷

no offense to any Protestants reading this
 
I am not sure if anyone has posted on this, but I spotted some information about the upcoming revised NAB OT. Looking at the Catholic Biblical Association’s website, they have provided information about the history of the NAB OT revision. Basically, the OT revision is complete and has been approved by the USCCB. However, and this is really great news, it won’t be released until a re-revised Psalms is completed. I have always felt that the revised NAB NT was pretty good overall, with the OT being outdated and the '91 Psalms being not so good. Perhaps this is a good time to keep all of those who are involved in this project in our prayers, asking for the intercession of St. Jerome.

For more info:

cba.cua.edu/nabotch4.htm
catholicbibles.blogspot.com/2009/06/nab-revised-ot-news.html
// they should revise the new testament as well and get rid of that inclusive language junk!!!
 
// they should revise the new testament as well and get rid of that inclusive language junk!!!
Just a question, what’s your biggest problem with the inclusive language?
Not the heavy stuff like the Psalms, just the minor ones-
like changing “brothers” to “brothers and sisters”

just a matter of personal taste?
 
Do tell.

What is the motivatioin for spending money on this effort, when the parade seems to be heading in the direction of the RSV-CE 2nd Ed, the latter being arguably an ecumenically oriented translation?
Perhaps, but I am not sure what future the RSV-2CE actually has. In its essence, it is still a 40+ year old translation. The only publisher of it is Ignatius Press, which puts it out in only limited formats. Outside of only some Catholic circles, most people don’t even know it exists. Then there is the whole issue of the Ignatius Study Bible, which looks like it will be published in a complete one volume New Testament later this year. But a complete OT and NT Ignatius Study Bible is still years a away.

In my mind, the main reason behind the NAB revision is to update the OT translation, which, like the RSV, is 40+ years old. This means not only updating the language, but also using more newly discovered manuscripts that weren’t used in the first edition of the OT, like more of the DSS. Also, it is essential that the NAB follow a consistant translation philosophy for both OT and NT. The revised NT is more formal than the current OT. This needs to be balanced out, as well as the need to be consistant in its use of inclusive lanugage. The OT has none, while the NT was some, followed by the pervasive use of inclusive language in the revised Psalms. Let us keep in mind that there are two different types of inclusive language, horizontal and vertical. The Vatican seems to be ok with some moderate use of horizontal inclusive language, but certainly no vertical. If the NAB translators follow the philosophy as used in the NT revision for both the NAB OT and re-revised Psalms, than the NAB will be a much better Bible.
 
You wrote:
Its a shame that the NAB has such a backlash today. A few people say its bad, then everyone thinks so. Unfortunately the majority of the “anti-NAB” mass have never even read the NAB and if they have they look at it for a few minutes, compare it to the infallible RSV-CE and critic every part of it. It’s a mob mentality. Only real problem is the inclusive language. However this will hopefully be toned down in the revision. The translation format is a matter of taste.
I’m sorry, but I can’t agree with you at all on this one. “A few people say its bad, then everyone thinks so”? Is that what you really believe is going on? It seems to me that very few people think the NAB is bad, and those who do, do so for good reason.

And then this: “Unfortunately the majority of the “anti-NAB” mass have never even read the NAB and if they have they look at it for a few minutes, compare it to the infallible RSV-CE and critic every part of it. It’s a mob mentality.”

Really? Seriously now, the NAB has been the ONLY Catholic Bible continuously in print and continuously used at Mass in America for 39 years. Are you honestly going to tell me that people who reject it have never read it? I can understand if a traditionalist, growing up in a traditionalist family, only knew the DRV or Confraternity Bible, but how common is that? Not very to say the least. All of those people who I know who do not like the NAB know the NAB quite well.

And the idea that ONLY the inclusive language is a problem is just silly. Look at the footnote for Genesis 1:2 and tell me there was not a weird decision that took place to use “mighty wind” in the actual verse it refers to. Also, the footnotes themselves sometimes run from useless to problematic. The introductions to the books are problematic in that they often present contradictory points (such as on dating Mark’s gospel). Even the actual language, the sentence structure seems seriously flawed at times. It certainly doesn’t make for smooth reading. It’s too clumsy.

Having said all that, it is obvious that the NAB has some strong points as well. The layout is the most obvious. Quite frankly I think it is the best I have ever seen in a modern Bible.
 
You wrote:

I’m sorry, but I can’t agree with you at all on this one. “A few people say its bad, then everyone thinks so”? Is that what you really believe is going on? It seems to me that very few people think the NAB is bad, and those who do, do so for good reason.

And then this: “Unfortunately the majority of the “anti-NAB” mass have never even read the NAB and if they have they look at it for a few minutes, compare it to the infallible RSV-CE and critic every part of it. It’s a mob mentality.”

Really? Seriously now, the NAB has been the ONLY Catholic Bible continuously in print and continuously used at Mass in America for 39 years. Are you honestly going to tell me that people who reject it have never read it? I can understand if a traditionalist, growing up in a traditionalist family, only knew the DRV or Confraternity Bible, but how common is that? Not very to say the least. All of those people who I know who do not like the NAB know the NAB quite well.

And the idea that ONLY the inclusive language is a problem is just silly. Look at the footnote for Genesis 1:2 and tell me there was not a weird decision that took place to use “mighty wind” in the actual verse it refers to. Also, the footnotes themselves sometimes run from useless to problematic. The introductions to the books are problematic in that they often present contradictory points (such as on dating Mark’s gospel). Even the actual language, the sentence structure seems seriously flawed at times. It certainly doesn’t make for smooth reading. It’s too clumsy.

Having said all that, it is obvious that the NAB has some strong points as well. The layout is the most obvious. Quite frankly I think it is the best I have ever seen in a modern Bible.
Your points are well taken.

However, all too many people I personally know who reject the NAB only do so on basis other than their own. And it gets annoying after a while

And in response to Gen 1:2-- I think the revised OT will replace it, however I see no need to. “mighty wind” is arguably a more accurate translation

Its the same Hebrew word as in Genesis 8:1 and in that context it means the same thing.

The Hebrews had always interpreted this as being a force from God, however, the “Spirit” as we take Him to be is unknown to them.
The Trinity was not revealed or understood until Christ came, so it makes more sense to have a united God in the OT text.
If Genesis 1:2 truly meant to be specifically read as the third Person of the Holy Trinity…
Jewish theology or at least Jewish tradition would show it…

We have the Septuagint, Hebrew and Vulgate for reference.

Since the NAB OT is translated from the Hebrew, it is more accurate to translate it “mighty wind” though a better translation would be “wind from God” as the English Tanakh translation, or at least a “divine wind” as the latest English Septuagint translation.

However a “mighty wind” arguably shows the original meaning better

Isaiah 7:14 is another example. the Hebrew more accurately reads “young woman” but the Septuagint and Vulgate specifically reads “virgin” and the LXX itself was translated by Jews. So that is probably the original meaning.
Hence why the NAB reads “virgin”

The Vulgate downright reads: “Spirit of God” though… lol
However as stated before, LXX and Hebrew differ

To read “mighty wind” is no threat to the Doctrine of the Trinity
However I do hope it reads “wind from God” in the revised version

My biggest problem with the NAB is its Protestantesque translation of Luke 1:28 :tsktsk:

Also I’m not arguing for the footnotes… I think we can all agree on that. hahah
 
I am not sure if anyone has posted on this, but I spotted some information about the upcoming revised NAB OT. Looking at the Catholic Biblical Association’s website, they have provided information about the history of the NAB OT revision. Basically, the OT revision is complete and has been approved by the USCCB. However, and this is really great news, it won’t be released until a re-revised Psalms is completed. I have always felt that the revised NAB NT was pretty good overall, with the OT being outdated and the '91 Psalms being not so good. Perhaps this is a good time to keep all of those who are involved in this project in our prayers, asking for the intercession of St. Jerome.

For more info:

cba.cua.edu/nabotch4.htm
catholicbibles.blogspot.com/2009/06/nab-revised-ot-news.html
I will ask for the intercession of St. Jerome. I feel the NAB needs the intercession of St. Jerome so that this translation flourish like it has never before and that it be viable to all Catholics everywhere. No one likes to see a translation fizzle
 
// they should revise the new testament as well and get rid of that inclusive language junk!!!
At the risk of sounding seriously uninformed (and I guess I am), what is controversial over “inclusive language”? If a verse is meant for everyone, is there really a problem using “brothers and sisters”? That would certainly clear up any confusion as to which gender the verse is addressing. Or are you speaking of totally “gender-neutral” language which uses “Creator, Redeemer, Sanctifier” in place of “Father, Son, Holy Spirit”?

Any and all charitable responses are appreciated.
 
At the risk of sounding seriously uninformed (and I guess I am), what is controversial over “inclusive language”? If a verse is meant for everyone, is there really a problem using “brothers and sisters”? That would certainly clear up any confusion as to which gender the verse is addressing. Or are you speaking of totally “gender-neutral” language which uses “Creator, Redeemer, Sanctifier” in place of “Father, Son, Holy Spirit”?

Any and all charitable responses are appreciated.
Yeah the problem is when a bible uses Horizontal(when addressing people) and Vertical( when addressing God). Most people are fine with Horizontal Inclusive Language but are horrified by Vertical Inclusive Language.
 
At the risk of sounding seriously uninformed (and I guess I am), what is controversial over “inclusive language”? If a verse is meant for everyone, is there really a problem using “brothers and sisters”? That would certainly clear up any confusion as to which gender the verse is addressing. Or are you speaking of totally “gender-neutral” language which uses “Creator, Redeemer, Sanctifier” in place of “Father, Son, Holy Spirit”?

Any and all charitable responses are appreciated.
As you point out, there are two main types of inclusive language: 1) Vertical: which is in reference to God; 2) Horizontal: which refers to men and women. Currently, the NAB is a mix of both: The OT has no inclusive language, the revised NT has moderate inclusive language, only in the horizontal sense, and the '91 Psalms does use horizontal, with the occasional vertical. The new revision of the OT, including a re-revision of the Psalms, will probably, my guess, have horizontal inclusive language that is similar to the NAB NT. The NAB NT has about the same inclusive language as the NJB in certain parts, but far less than the NRSV, which was just approved, in some form, for Mass in Canada.

I think a good guage to look at this issue is in reference to the Vatican website. There, the NAB is the English Bible on the site, which includes the old NAB OT and the revised NAB NT. However, the revised '91 Psalms is absent. The Church clearly will not allow any pervasive vertical inclusive language, as found in the '91 Psalms. But, IMHO, some horizontal use is acceptable and will probably be allowed.
 
I think a good guage to look at this issue is in reference to the Vatican website. There, the NAB is the English Bible on the site, which includes the old NAB OT and the revised NAB NT. However, the revised '91 Psalms is absent. The Church clearly will not allow any pervasive vertical inclusive language, as found in the '91 Psalms. But, IMHO, some horizontal use is acceptable and will probably be allowed.
Also, on the Vatican website, go to Job 42 and click “NEXT” at the top
Your mind will be blown!!
 
All I can say is “ha!” Very interesting!
All I can say is “ha!” Very sad! :mad:

Since the RSV (ecumenical edition, not the RSV-xCE) is used in the Catechism, you’d think the Vatican would’ve posted the RSV on their site. Heck, maybe Ignatius might’ve even consented to let them post the RSV-CE (1965-66)!

But no-o-o-o-o! As I said, VERY sad, indeed.
 
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