Name It, Claim It

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Does anyone know of a good critique from the Catholic pov of the “Prosperity Gospel” (aka “Name it and claim it”)? I did a search for an appropriate article in THIS ROCK, but was unable to locate one.

Thank you.
 
I think those people need to take a good look at the real world, first of all, and notice that there are a lot of devoutly faithful Christian people who are very poor, and they should also read the Book of Ecclesiastes, which comments on this reality.

A close reading of the New Testament would reveal the same thing - if St. Paul believed in a “name it and claim it” Gospel, then he would not have submitted to spending so much time homeless and in jail.
 
jmcrae said:
I think those people need to take a good look at the real world, first of all, and notice that there are a lot of devoutly faithful Christian people who are very poor, and they should also read the Book of Ecclesiastes, which comments on this reality.

A close reading of the New Testament would reveal the same thing - if St. Paul believed in a “name it and claim it” Gospel, then he would not have submitted to spending so much time homeless and in jail.
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I agree, Judith. Unfortunately, this movement seems to be “invading” the charismatics at my parish 😦 , which is why I’m looking for a good critique to send along to the leader of the group.
 
FCEGM said:
I agree, Judith. Unfortunately, this movement seems to be “invading” the charismatics at my parish 😦 , which is why I’m looking for a good critique to send along to the leader of the group.
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Need look no further than the example of Christ himself - where were the wealth, health, good times and prosperity that the Son of God himself surely should have had above all people??
 
I just quickly checked if the link in www.envoymagazine.com edition 4.2 worked and I could not get it to work. ITs too bad because it was a great article. Unfortunately the best articles I found are from Hank Hennegraff, those are very good but he is not Catholic. I spent almost 10 years listening to Copeland, Hagin, Dollar, Savelle etc., It was listening to Hank that got me to doubting the Prosperity Gospel which eventually led me Home.

I am curious as to why you have interest in this topic as I rarely meet catholics who do. Does it have to do with the fact you live in North Carolina?
 
Eden blew this heresy to shreds on a thread I started a way back on Mega Churches, I dont know how to copy it here or I would. She blew it to shreds I say.👍
 
mastda said:
I just quickly checked if the link in www.envoymagazine.com edition 4.2 worked and I could not get it to work. ITs too bad because it was a great article. Unfortunately the best articles I found are from Hank Hennegraff, those are very good but he is not Catholic. I spent almost 10 years listening to Copeland, Hagin, Dollar, Savelle etc., It was listening to Hank that got me to doubting the Prosperity Gospel which eventually led me Home.

I am curious as to why you have interest in this topic as I rarely meet catholics who do. Does it have to do with the fact you live in North Carolina?
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I don’t know if it has anything to do with North Carolina ;), but I first encountered it in a book club at my parish where the book chosen for the month was by Joyce Meyer :eek:. Fortunately, my complaints and those of others brought about the dissolution of the club. Now I see this ugly head popping up again among the charismatics at the same parish.

I saw the same article at Envoy, and had the same result in trying to access it, but I did find something similar by the same author - perhaps the same article - here:

paulthigpen.com/apologetics/designerunderwear.html
 
I’ll pray for your parish and the wayward Charasmatics in it. God Lord, when will it end? how far will it go?:confused:
 
Damascus said:
I’ll pray for your parish and the wayward Charasmatics in it. God Lord, when will it end? how far will it go?:confused:
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Thank you, Damascus! It’s such things as this that makes the prayer of Advent, “Come, Lord Jesus!”, even more compelling.
 
FCEGM said:
Does anyone know of a good critique from the Catholic pov of the “Prosperity Gospel” (aka “Name it and claim it”)? I did a search for an appropriate article in THIS ROCK, but was unable to locate one.

Thank you.
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This is another thing I dislike about what I perceive to be characteristic of the charismatic movement (my perception could be wrong). The movement seems to be “me” centered.

But what do I know. Pope JPII and Fr. Groeschel are ok with it.
 
I asked about North Carolina because I used to be in Amway/Quixtar for a couple of years and I got introduced to the prosperity gospel by a bunch of people living in North Carolina.
 
mark_a said:
This is another thing I dislike about what I perceive to be characteristic of the charismatic movement (my perception could be wrong). The movement seems to be “me” centered.

But what do I know. Pope JPII and Fr. Groeschel are ok with it.
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You are seriously confusing the Word of Faith Movement with the Charismatic movement. Two totally different things. See if you can delete your post as I would not want people thinking JPII was a name it and claim it Pope.
 
Damascus said:
I want to eradicate heresy, and have all the means and resources available to do so,

But Lily M’s idea sounds good if it includes a self cleaning feature.
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Or a staff of cleaners for the inside and gardeners for the outdoors 🙂
 
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