You missed the point. Place the doctrine inside of the mind of one that is ignorant or has been pre-programmed to believe something else, the doctrine looses it’s imperviousness and becomes only an imperfect simultude. The ignorant mind begins to attempt to punch holes in it. Once once the hole is punched, the mind perceives what I described earlier.Hello,
Don’t worry, those doctrines that come from God (e.g. Catholic doctrines) are impervious to rupture. The only ones that are full of hot air are those of heretics - and they pop so easily!
Spoken like a true Jack Chick wanna-be. Talk about clueless…It’s not an opinion. I was a catholic of 36 years. Most if not all catholics I know are cradle catholics. They go to mass on sunday and that’s about it. Most are completely clueless about their own religion.
It said meaningless.To go back to the issue of calling preists “Father.” Matthew seems pretty clear on this prohibition. As silly as it sounds not to call your father “Father”, according Matthew makes it clear that only God is your father.
The use of Rosary beads. Mathew 6:7 “…do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do…”
Yes, but Paul said we are all mediators who can pray for one another. The Church is one body. Like a body, each works in some function to improve the body. If one sins, it affects us all. If one pray for another, it bares more fruit.There is only one mediator between God and man. 1 Timothy 2:5
No he did not. Jesus said, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it.” Mary said in the anunciation of the birth of Jesus, “Be it DONE unto me according to Your Word!”Jesus discouraged praying to or blessing of Mary. Luke 11:27-28
1 Timothy 3:2-5 states that a bishop must be married.
Yet, Paul and Jesus are not married and are celibate by choice just are the priest today in the Latin Rite. It is also a discipline. In the Eastern Rite Catholic Church, there are bishops who are married. So the Church doesn’t really forbid it. If they did, there would be no married bishop or priest.THere are others, according to obviously anti-catholic websites.
But, as an outsider, it looks as if you have to do a lot of imaginative reasoning to believe the Church is completely in line with the bible.
Pope John Paul II said that the basic theory of evolution in and of itself (i.e. without the atheistic agenda that is normally coupled with it) is not against the Catholic faith. The unchangeable doctrine that doesn’t change is that God created the world.Woa! Didn’t Pope JPII acknowledge evolution? I know I saw that on the front page of USA Today and there was a week’s worth of debating on Christian Radio.
Didn’t the current Pope make a decision about babies and where they go when they die?
There have been changes. The Bible does not change, but the world does. That’s why a Canadian Pastor was arrested for preaching about homosexuality and Romans Chapter 1.
No, a deacon in the Catholic Church may not marry. Please show some documentation for your claim. I am currently in the Diaconate Inquiry process and I can assure you that:Forbidding to Marry
A deacon, though, can marry. My uncle did twice.
Why no meat on Fridays? Who started that? Jesus acknowledged fasts done by the people but He didn’t declare any fasts.I have news for you. Abstaining from meat is not the same as fasting. Fasting is abstaining from ALL foods not just meat. And, no one is called to be celibate.
These explanations seem to point toward inconsistencies within the scripture, rather than proof that the Chuch and bible are consistent.It said meaningless.
“And he (Christ) left them, (for the third time) and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words.” (Matt. 26:44)
Luke 18:13 - the tax collector kept beating his breast and praying “God be merciful to me, a sinner.” This repetitive prayer was pleasing to God because it was offered with a sincere and repentant heart.
Acts 10:2,4 - Cornelius prayed constantly to the Lord and his prayers ascended as a memorial before God.
Rom. 1:9 - Paul says that he always mentions the Romans in his prayers without ceasing.
Rom. 12:12 - Paul commands us to be constant in prayer. God looks at what is in our heart, not necessarily how we choose our words.
1 Thess. 5:17 - Paul commands us to pray constantly. Good repetition is different than vain repetition.
Rev. 4:8 - the angels pray day and night without cessation the same words “Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord God Almighty.” This is repetitious prayer that is pleasing to God.
Dan. 3:35-66 - the phrase “Bless the Lord” is similarly offered repeatedly and mirrors Catholic litanies
Yes, but Paul said we are all mediators who can pray for one another. The Church is one body. Like a body, each works in some function to improve the body. If one sins, it affects us all. If one pray for another, it bares more fruit.
So praying to one another is justified. It is not counter that Jesus is One mediator. We are member of His Body. The Church is compose of Church Militant (Saints in Earth), Church Triumphant (Saints in Heaven), and Saints Suffering in Purgatory. The saints in earth can pray for the souls in purgatory and ask the saints in heaven to pray for them. The souls in purgatory can ask prayers for those in heaven and those on earth.
No he did not. Jesus said, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it.” Mary said in the anunciation of the birth of Jesus, “Be it DONE unto me according to Your Word!”
She kept God’s word and she is the “Handmaid of the Lord.”
Yet, Paul and Jesus are not married and are celibate by choice just are the priest today in the Latin Rite. It is also a discipline. In the Eastern Rite Catholic Church, there are bishops who are married. So the Church doesn’t really forbid it. If they did, there would be no married bishop or priest.
Where is that written? Can you show me where the Bible says that when a person fasts, they must abstain from all food? Where does the Bible spell out the rules about what is a fast and what is not and how one may fast?I have news for you. Abstaining from meat is not the same as fasting. Fasting is abstaining from ALL foods not just meat.
Then why didn’t Jesus marry? Why did Paul say that some people have a gift of singleness, and why did he say that refraining from marriage is not a sin? Why did Jesus say that some people make themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of Heaven?And, no one is called to be celibate.
My uncle, alive and well, is a married deacon in a RCC in Michigan! My Aunt Barbara died of cancer and my uncle married AGAIN! Yet, he’s STILL a deacon! At my grandma’s funeral years ago, while still a deacon, he was swearing like my fellow soldiers in the army and he introduced himself to people as “deacon”.No, a deacon in the Catholic Church may not marry. Please show some documentation for your claim. I am currently in the Diaconate Inquiry process and I can assure you that:
a. You can be married and be ordained a Deacon.
b. If married and your spouse dies then you are NOT allowed to re-marry.
c. If ordained a Deacon as a single man, you may NOT marry.
Jesus didAnd, no one is called to be celibate.
I asked for documentation not anecdotal evidence. Regardless of what your uncle calls himself, it does not make him so.My uncle, alive and well, is a married deacon in a RCC in Michigan! My Aunt Barbara died of cancer and my uncle married AGAIN! Yet, he’s STILL a deacon! At my grandma’s funeral years ago, while still a deacon, he was swearing like my fellow soldiers in the army and he introduced himself to people as “deacon”.
Is my uncle a member of the RCC? Yes. Is he married? Yes, twice.
There are so many rules and regulations in order to even JOIN the RCC that it’s no wonder why Time magazine reported that more and more people from the West are joining Islam because all you have to do there is repeat two lines instead of taking months of classes and ceremonies.
Some of it was the same. The most important being whether or not Christians really believed it was the body and blood of Christ. They absolutely did. Here is a link and a quote to some Early Church Fathers who clearly state this.Well, after my parents left the church when I was about 6, they went to a Lutheran church for a long time and that’s how I was prettty much raised and did confirmation. But since about a year ago we have been going to a Baptist church. But just because my parents took me to a particular church doesn’t neccisarily mean I believe what they teach. I have been doing my own research about Catholicism. So that’s why I’m asking you guys questions, because there aren’t really any Catholics for me to ask questions to.
But anyways, what I meant by what mass “looked like” is did they make the sign off the cross, pray the rosary, confess oraly to a preist, take communion every week and believe it was Jesus’ blood and body, etc.? Because according to that list of “inventions” all that stuff was “invented” later on.
And also, was the Pope the same as he is today? Because in an anti-catholic tract that I read, the author was talking about how in the Bible (after the gospels) it doesn’t show any evidence for Peter being the head of the church but it shows evidence that he probably wasn’t the leader of the church. My Dad claims that the first Pope was when Constantine came to power. And also, The DaVinci Code says that Constantine wasn’t really a Christian and that he was unwillingly baptized on his death bed. It’s all so confusing!!! So if you guys could help me out, I’d really appreciate it. Thanks.
From CA Library The Real Presence
Ignatius of Antioch
“I have no taste for corruptible food nor for the pleasures of this life. I desire the bread of God, which is the flesh of Jesus Christ, who was of the seed of David; and for drink I desire his blood, which is love incorruptible” (*Letter to the Romans *7:3 [A.D. 110]).
Confession orally in front of a priest no longer looks the same. It is still in front of a priest, but it is no longer required to be in front of everyone. It used to be that Public confession in front of the priest was required. This has changed to private confession. Christ did not lay down exactly HOW to conduct confession and therefore, changing it from public to private would be acceptable.“Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God. . . . They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes” (*Letter to the Smyrnaeans *6:2–7:1 [A.D. 110]).
You are correct. However, sometimes the Holy See grants dispensations for deacons to remarry. Here’s some documentation for you:No, a deacon in the Catholic Church may not marry. Please show some documentation for your claim. I am currently in the Diaconate Inquiry process and I can assure you that:
a. You can be married and be ordained a Deacon.
b. If married and your spouse dies then you are NOT allowed to re-marry.
c. If ordained a Deacon as a single man, you may NOT marry.
clsa.org/content/files/officers_rome_trip_pt1_2006_05.pdfWe also spoke about the dispensing a permanent deacon so he could remarry after the
death of his spouse. The original requirements the dispensation were (1) minor children; (2) aged
parents who are dependent; (3) the bishop needs the deacon for ministry in the church. Originally
all three were needed; under Pope John Paul II only one of three was needed for deacon
dispensation; now under Pope Benedict XVI, two of three (minor children and necessity of the
deacons service) are needed. There was a brief discussion of the implications of canon 1044 on
irregularities for those who proceed without the proper dispensations, but this is an area under
study by a number of congregations.
Thanks for the documentation, if you read my last post you will see that I cited the possibility of a dispensation.You are correct. However, sometimes the Holy See grants dispensations for deacons to remarry. Here’s some documentation for you:
clsa.org/content/files/officers_rome_trip_pt1_2006_05.pdf
Ya gotta be careful about how you talk about infallibility…perse the Church is not “infallible” The pope is infallible in certain limited and specific instances…the magesterium of the Church to a lesser extent but more broadly defined, and then finally the church as a whole (meaning the laity and heirarchy) do not err in their beliefs (this was brought out in the recent discussions on the concept of limbo). Further, as was brought out in the discussion of limbo, DOGMA does not change…but doctrine can and does evolve.But, If the Roman Catholic church is infallible and their docrines don’t really change, then it would seem that mass would pretty much be the same.