Name one or two ways the Roman Catholic Church has been protestantized

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The_Theotokos said:
I was merely explaining why people have a problem with it. But personally, I feel it distorts the purpose of the position. It should be noted, however, that in my Melkite tradition, no females are allowed behind the iconostasis, where the altar is, thus rendering altar girls inappropriate. I use this example because I suspect that another reason people don’t like it, is because it is a severe break from tradition.
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My wife & I wandered by a Melkite Rite parish in downtown Miami when we were there last year. We walked in and saw a picture of the Holy Father on the wall and walked around the incredibly beautiful church. We came back for Mass that weekend and it was also very beautiful.
 
Paul_Folbrecht said:
My wife & I wandered by a Melkite Rite parish in downtown Miami when we were there last year. We walked in and saw a picture of the Holy Father on the wall and walked around the incredibly beautiful church. We came back for Mass that weekend and it was also very beautiful.
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Thank you, Paul. 🙂 The Melkites definately have a powerful liturgy and all without the breaking of tradition. Go figure. LOL 😃
 
The_Theotokos said:
You are no longer a practicing Catholic because it is not proper to have altar girls?
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No, I’m not a practicing Catholic anymore because I don’t feel welcome in the faith. Probably not the appropriate forum to get into that, though.
 
angillusion said:
Which is why I’m now a non-practicing Catholic.
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Because you cannot be an adult altar girl? Because of the negative feelings toward altar girls?

I’ll tell you that I was once a (female) altar server. I was very young and I do think it was a good experience for me.

I had never been to Mass at a traditional parish and was too young to understand the whole gender debate. I have since learned more about the faith, and what the Mass really is. I would prefer a return to male altar servers. I certainly don’t boo and hiss at altar girls, they are just kids. No one should be mistreated for being one or having been one in the past.

If I have a family I hope we will be able to live in a more traditional parish. If that is not the case I will probably encourage my daughters to participate in other ways.

I did not understand what my participating in the mass as an altar girl was doing to our parish in the big picture. I do not think you should regret having been an altar server, nor should you leave the Church if participating in the beauty of the Catholic Mass was of great spiritual fulfillment to you. The loving arms of the Church are ready to take you back at any time.

edit: nevermind you already sort of answered
 
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  1. Removal of the Tabernacle. Why? I’ve asked and all say it is because of Vatican II. I find this unbelievable. It is the Real Presence and you have to seek it out. What purpose does this serve?
  2. Where did they get these hymns? I went throught 12 years of Catholic education attending Mass almost every day and have never heard these hymns. And lots of luck finding a Catholic one.
  3. The BVM is represented by one lonely statue in the back of the church devoid of an altar or candles.
  4. No crucifix. I like the cross of the resurrected Christ but there shouls be crucifixies.
  5. Nuns without habits and priests in common clothes. I think the public benefits by recognizing regilous in their midst.
  6. The Mass appealed to all the senses: the taste of the Host, the smell of incense, the beauty of the Church. Don’t have that now. Mostly cold architecture and no incense.
  7. No confessionals and no altar railing.
  8. Giant TV screen with prayers and hymns projected on it. Only thing missing is a bouncing ball.
 
angillusion said:
No, I’m not a practicing Catholic anymore because I don’t feel welcome in the faith. Probably not the appropriate forum to get into that, though.
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Yes, this is probably not the correct forum for such a discussion, but let me just say that you should never let the policies of the Church or the behaviors of the members, get in the way of your relationship with God.

Part of why people like me have these debates about traditionalism verses modernism is because the modernists have reduced the liturgy to an object of personal, individual expression. The focus should be on God and God alone. But the NO doesn’t teach this lesson very well, resulting in people that feel the way you do. Which is very sad. 😦
 
aicirt said:
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Where in the world is your church?:eek: Ours is still very traditional. No altar railing, but that’s about all that is different. We still have confessionals, crucifixes, candles, statues, stained glass, stations of the cross, etc. etc. Where is your church? You should find one that is more traditional.
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  1. By singing most of the songs that are protestant oriented during mass e.g. me i no go suffer, i no go beg for food, etc
  2. By dress anyhow and also not covering our hair (the ladies) during mass.
 
I feel itis shameful to be greeting, conversing, talking across the pews etc etc when your are before the tabernacle of the Lord. I feel it is the priests responsibility to advise the parishoners of proper conduct when before the Lord. It should be a time of silence, prayer,thanksgiving and basic reverence. He could do that regularly during homilies,after mass announcements, bullitins etc. We must all start giving the Lord proper respect before, during and after mass. After all—look what He has–and is-- giving us.
Love ya all–kerb
 
Maybe I’ve been lucky, but some of the things described here are totally foreign to any Catholic Church I have ever attended. For example, I have never been in a Catholic Church that did not have a crucifix displayed prominently. Nor have I ever seen just a simple cross instead.

I think some people’s complaints are a bit much though. Not wanting air conditioning and microphones. I mean, that’s a bit ridiculous. Our church is brand new and is shaped in the traditional cross design but holds over 700 people. Should it not have AC? Without a microphone, nobody but those in the very front would hear a thing.

Is heat OK, or should we go medieval and have everyone stand the whole time?
 
distracted said:
i’m not asking for something along the lines of Purgatory 101 classes in lieu of a homily…

but when it isn’t even mentioned at funeral Masses… something is wrong… I mean, it seems priests often say or imply that a person is in Heaven when no one knows that… no one knows where the person may be and therefore, the priest should be asking people to pray for the person… but that never happens…
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Interesting when you say “NEVER”, because I have heard purgatory mentioned at every funeral Mass I have attended. 🤷
 
tr1strev said:
Maybe I’ve been lucky, but some of the things described here are totally foreign to any Catholic Church I have ever attended. For example, I have never been in a Catholic Church that did not have a crucifix displayed prominently. Nor have I ever seen just a simple cross instead.

I think some people’s complaints are a bit much though. Not wanting air conditioning and microphones. I mean, that’s a bit ridiculous. Our church is brand new and is shaped in the traditional cross design but holds over 700 people. Should it not have AC? Without a microphone, nobody but those in the very front would hear a thing.

Is heat OK, or should we go medieval and have everyone stand the whole time?
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I totally agree with you. I can’t believe there are TV screens in a Catholic church, and no crucifixes! And I agree I like the microphones and central heat and airconditioning and light! I wonder if some people just have big imaginations??:ehh:
 
CHRISTINE77 said:
I totally agree with you. I can’t believe there are TV screens in a Catholic church, and no crucifixes! And I agree I like the microphones and central heat and airconditioning and light! I wonder if some people just have big imaginations??:ehh:
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My Church is in the round. The Cross over the altar is huge and it is the Resurrected Christ. I haven’t seen a crucifix. I’m all for heat, air, microphones. And it does have stained glass. Some have opted to go to another Church.
 
Tsuwano said:
I don’t know what you mean by “Protestantized.” The Church is and always has been Catholic.
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it used to be more Catholic… like when the priest faced the altar…

when there wasn’t the hand-holding and the greeting… :mad:

used to be people focused on God only during the Mass… now we also have to deal with the same lowly humanoids we have to deal with all week long… 😃

anywy… another thing i don’t like is that incense is used less and less… if ever…

another thing (big thing): the Blessed Sacrament is NOT exposed in some Churches… EVER!!! :mad:😦
 
distracted said:
it used to be more Catholic… like when the priest faced the altar…

when there wasn’t the hand-holding and the greeting… :mad:

used to be people focused on God only during the Mass… now we also have to deal with the same lowly humanoids we have to deal with all week long… 😃

anywy… another thing i don’t like is that incense is used less and less… if ever…

another thing (big thing): the Blessed Sacrament is NOT exposed in some Churches… EVER!!! :mad:😦
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