Name some examples of God changing His mind

[zagjames]

While I agree with your reasoning, I don’t think it addresses the whole issue. If it were that simple, all Jews would be eating pork! Many of the restrictions* don’t* have to do with diet and *don’t *harm anyone. We are all probably wearing clothes of blended fabrics, feel no evil when touching a pigskin or planting different crops in the same field, and I’m sure we offer the proper sacrifice as atonement when we have relations with our slaves. God named these things (and many others) as abominations and the fact that we now accept them and know they are harmless does not change that. We are a essentially a Cafeteria Church, picking and choosing which commands of God’s we want to follow.

Now, of course, you are correct in that I am only being maybe half-serious here but the point I am making is quite serious. God has either clearly changed his mind about a few things that were absolute commandments, there is a serious lack of divine inspiration in this part of the bible, or we pick and choose what commands we want to follow.

I have to disagree with you on both. Those are all laws of the Old Covenants. The New Convenant superseeds and overtakes them. They are abrogated. God exists outside of time so he knew the laws were only temporary, but because we live within the constraints of time we see it as a timeline where God did change his mind. The reasons jews still follow those rules is because they don’t recognize the guy who superseeded them.

 

[patg]

Those are all laws of the Old Covenants.

So were the ten commandments.

The New Convenant superseeds and overtakes them. They are abrogated.

Yes, they may have been done away with, though there is no evidence that they all were.

God exists outside of time so he knew the laws were only temporary, but because we live within the constraints of time we see it as a timeline where God did change his mind.

There may be some logic in that argument but I don’t see it - you are saying that since God is outside of time, something can be good and evil at the same time for God. We live in time and we can only listen to God in our timeframe. If God said a thing was an abomination and then the rules changed. the only way we can experience this is a change.

The reasons jews still follow those rules is because they don’t recognize the guy who superseeded them.

But they really should recognize that we know how to safely cook pork, regardless of who may or may not have done away with the laws.

 

[jimmy85]

I heard on the radio, I think it was Jimmy Akin, mentioning in passing that God will change His mind, or perhaps alter His plan depending on response from man. Any examples of this?

I think that people say that God change his mind because people dont understand the fact that the bible is a book of covenants, that are different and they apply for an espesific time in history.

People tend to think they know the whole meaning of the bible just because they read the bible even if they havent done real bible studies.

 

[jimmy85]

I’m not sure if you were being serious or not… But I will assume you were.

Old Testament dietary restrictions and the like were given by God as a gift to people in the OT. Let me give you a hypothetical situation of how it could have worked.

God -“Hey guys dont eat pork”
Jews - “Why?”
God - "Cause it is unclean and you will die if you eat.
Jews - “Okay”
A while later
TheFather - “Jesus tell them its okay now”
Jesus “Its okay to eat pork now”
Jews/Church “Why is it okay now”
Jesus “Cause you know how to cook it now so you wont die when you eat it”
Jews/Church “Cool I’m having pork chops tonight!”

So now that I am dont with my somewhat sacreligious example my point is that all the dietary restrictions were given by God to help the Jews not die by eating food that often kills unless you know how to prepare it. The Jews were God’s favorite so he wanted them to not eat or do that stuff until they learned how to do it safely from others. It was called being a nice guy. He didn’t change his mind, he knew when he put them in place how long the rules would be put in place for.

All of the rules(except the ones that involve killing people or causeing harm) in Leviticus are basically basically and it will not offend God for you to do them. Esp. like the no lying with a man as you would a woman type a ones.

your point is understandable, but the judeo christian God is a God that is extremly near to his creatures he give them rituals sacraments and commandments in order that they can be more spiritual and therefore more close to him.

this can be applyed for the sacraments like baptism circumcition etc

now, we cant compare primitive time and primitive people with the times and the people that live nowadays. That is why there is a need for diferent covenants, in order to addapt to the mentality of the people of the time,
that is why stuffs can look different nowadays.

anyone knows that the act of eating pork is not bad. to avoid eating pork was understood as religious sacrifice from the jews of the time. certainly that could sound weird for us nowadays, but in order to undersnad it we shoudl try to addapt ourselves to the ancient covenants and to the primitive understanding of that people.

 

[EHRAM]

Jonah:

3: 10
When God saw by their actions how they turned from their evil way, he repented of the evil that he had threatened to do to them; he did not carry it out.

 

[Jerry-Jet]

Anyone who says that God cannot change His mind are in effect saying that God binds Himself to not ever do so.

How does anyone know that that is true?

If God chooses to act one way and then changes and acts in another way both ways could be equally perfect.

It may blow some people’s minds but as in mathematical equations sometimes there are more than one correct answer.

If God chooses answer A and then later on chooses answer B–even though God might already know that He Himself would choose another answer and both of them are equally perfect answers

His knowledge of everything–even Himself–does not bind God to changelessness.

I guess what I’m saying is that God can Both change and be changeless at the same time and be without contradcition to Himself!

Now being a finite human being with finite knowledge I can’t explain how that can be possible but I do know that scripture says “With God all things are possible”.

Since God inspired the written scriptures and God cannot lie then it must therefore be possible for God to be changeless and able to change without contradicting Himself.

So can God change His mind?

Yes God is Infinite enough to achieve that without contradicting Himself whether we can understand it or not!