Name something weird you heard in a homily

[Augustine]

The priest told this joke . . .

“Someone asked me once if it’s OK to have sex before Mass. I told them yes, as long as they don’t block the isle.”

That, along w/ many other off the wall comments, helped us decide to find another parish.

Rightfully so. Am I wrong that that priest tells this kind of foul mouthed joke before children but skirts away from preaching against contraception, abortion or euthanasia?

St. John Vianney, pray for us.

 

[distracted]

sign to reconcile my anger with the Catholic Church and rejoin. I agree with probably 95% or more of Catholicism. Should I reject the entire Church and continue to stay away because I have not been convinced on the remaining 5% or so?

i think that most priests would not baptize you into the Church if you expressed those doubts about the 5%…

Should I leave the Church again? . I’m glad to be back in the Church actually.

No one should leave the Church, doubts or no doubts…

Maybe it was growing up in a mixed denomination that made me look more deeply at what I believe and why. If you have faith without question that’s great. I’m not sure that if you believe something just because you are told to believe it that you can claim it is really your belief unless you genuinely accept it of your own accord for yourself through faith.

I’m a bit confused though. You criticize me for not being convinced about the reasons given for female priesthood but you yourself questioned whether the position should be a lifelong commitment. Isn’t that having doubts too?

see above…

i trust the Church because God established it… whether i agree with this or that or whatever…

Gotta go… god bless

God Bless.

 

[kaws]

i think that most priests would not baptize you into the Church if you expressed those doubts about the 5%…

I was baptized as an infant so if the priest had “rebaptised me” when I came back into the church that would not be good. (he didn’t)

I spoke at length as did my husband with our very compassionate and caring priest when we joined/rejoined the Church about my past and current feelings toward the Church. He was very welcoming back to the Church and pleased that I rejoined, actually. Don’t be so quick to be judgemental.

Again I was not promoting disobedience. I simply made an offhand comment that I don’t find the rationale presented by the Church convincing. I honestly don’t. Despite this I will obey.

I never should have mentioned anything

God Bless, and Merry Christmas.

 

[BarbaraTherese]

I was baptized as an infant so if the priest had “rebaptised me” when I came back into the church that would not be good. (he didn’t)

I spoke at length as did my husband with our very compassionate and caring priest when we joined/rejoined the Church about my past and current feelings toward the Church. He was very welcoming back to the Church and pleased that I rejoined, actually. Don’t be so quick to be judgemental.

Again I was not promoting disobedience. I simply made an offhand comment that I don’t find the rationale presented by the Church convincing. I honestly don’t. Despite this I will obey.

I never should have mentioned anything

God Bless, and Merry Christmas.

I’m finding it difficult to insight why some are upset over your difficulty with the Church’s arguments against female ordination. I dont find the arguments terribly convincing either…but then The Church has spoken and stated that the ruling that there will only ever be a male priesthood overrides any difficulties I may have re the arguments against a female priesthood.

Nothing in that to challenge Faith.

And obedience in the face of difficulty with the obedience asked and in the interests of a higher value is a virtue and an important one. And the transcending value over my own personal difficulty is to preserve my own soul and The Church from heresy, and to recognize a higher and wiser, more inspired and infallible authority than my own which is entirely fallible for one. Be all that as it may, do I find the arguments The Church presents re denial of a female priesthood convincing…I would be telling fibs if I said I did.

We are fallible creatures and if I think every thought I think has to be correct, then I am more fallible than the fallible:thumbsup:
%between%
Barb

 

[distracted]

Hear, hear! Not one major aspect in which I wronged God has brought joy in my life.

that’s a good way to put it…

 

[distracted]

. Don’t be so quick to be judgemental.

is it just me or does accusing one of being judgmental sound judgmental?

how the heck was i judgmental?? No comprendo…

Again I was not promoting disobedience. I simply made an offhand comment that I don’t find the rationale presented by the Church convincing. I honestly don’t. Despite this I will obey.

I never should have mentioned anything

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Why? because you don’t like to debate?

because you don’t want to be perceived as being “in the wrong”??? just wondering… Opinions and feelings are not righ or wrong… they just are.

 

[BarbaraTherese]

Re previous post: here

Probably when each of us says “judgemental” we have a different definition in mind:
…for example - Catholic Dictionary:

therealpresence.org/cgi-bin/getdefinition.pl
JUDGMENT.

In general, an act of the mind affirming or denying something. Philosophically, judgment is the mental act of combining two ideas in affirming their agreement, e.g., God is good, or separating them in denying their agreement, e.g., God is not evil. In ethics, judgment is a right decision about what is just or proper or prudent. It is also the decision of a superior in a natural society (such as the State) or a supernatural society (such as the Church), prescribing what should be done or administering justice.

…hence one’s understanding and definition of judgemental can vary. In my understanding and only mine, I use the term meaning “to convict AND to sentence”. We all need to be able to assess where people and incidents etc. etc. may fit into the context of our own lives etc., which is entirely different. Yet “judge and judgemental” have slipped into our general usage and can mean either my definition or simply just to assess …yet both definitions are entirely and absolutely different:shrug:

I had an interesting experience years ago at a Church meeting where the word “dialogue” was being used. I asked what was meant by the term “dialogue” - there was no real agreement, in fact we had to arrive at our own common understanding of what we meant for the purpose of getting anywhere at all in the meeting.

On the next point…our feelings are indeed amoral. It is what we decide to do with our feelings or because of them etc., that introduces morality and what is right and what may be wrong. I dont have to share my feelings with anyone at all nor do I have to have an opinion on everything, I am free to have my own opinion on all things, nor do I*** have*** to explain my opinion. . My dear Mum whenever I said “Why?” used to say to me “because Y is a crooked letter and you cannot make it straight”. And in my tender years then, I screwed up many a piece of paper trying to make Y straight and understand what Mum meant. Although when she used to ask me the why’s of my behaviours at times…I itched to throw back at her her ‘Y saying’ having finally worked out the meaning - I was just never game enough!!!

Truth of the matter is that we really are absolutely free and do not HAVE to do anything at all…oh there may be consequeneces but we do not HAVE to do anything - we do the crime then we do the time, no complaints…me Mum taught me that life lesson too. I used to have another favourite reply to Mum “I don’t care”…to which she would reply “Dont care was made to care, put in jail and hung”. One day I finally worked out what to say to that though… “Mum, I dont care”.

Barb

 

[BarbaraTherese]

Apologies …just tested links and the dictionary link in my post will not open for some reason. If you Google, “realpresenceassociation” you should be able to locate Father Hardon’s dictionary from which I have taken the definition of “judge”.

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[benedictgal]

I love my pastor; however, tonight at the Christmas Vigil (inasmuch as I have to commend him for sticking with the readings and the propers of the Vigil), his homily was not very good. He talked about how Jesus’ family tree was dysfunctional and went on to name some of the characters who comprised it. When he got to Solomon, he marveled aloud how the king could have fulfilled his obligation to 700 wives and 30 concubines in a time when Viagara was non existent.

There were small children present and teenagers, including the tweens in the choir. It was not one of his better moments. An elderly friend whom I had given a ride to Mass also looked at me and was not too happy. I can understand my pastor wanting to drive home the point that even Jesus’ ancestors weren’t saints, but, discussing Solomon’s situation wasn’t exactly the best route to take.

I wondered why my PV didn’t say the Mass. Even when he hits a scud in his preaching (rare moment), these are better than some priests I have heard on their best day.

 

[kaws]

is it just me or does accusing one of being judgmental sound judgmental?
how the heck was i judgmental?? No comprendo…
Why? because you don’t like to debate?
because you don’t want to be perceived as being “in the wrong”??? just wondering… Opinions and feelings are not righ or wrong… they just are.

I was meaning judgmental with a definition closer to the built in dictionary on my computer (Webster’s-based I think): having or displaying and excessively critical point of view. Some of your comments struck me as fitting the bill.

I normally do like to debate. But my perception is that you don’t seem to really want to debate, just to criticize my position and pass moral judgement on my lack of being convinced about the arguments presented by the Church and hence the state of my soul or whether I should even have been allowed back in the Church. Maybe I misperceived your comments. Again if you want to debate the issue of female ordination we can in another thread. I’m not afraid of being perceived as “in the wrong”.

At any rate I was not trying to offend you or anyone else. I shouldn’t have said anything because it wasn’t my intent to ruffle feathers or start arguments. Have a blessed Christmas.

 

[ICXCNIKA]

How about starting Mass on Good Friday with a joke?

May St. Cure d’Ars pray for our shepherds.

Mass on Good Friday???

 

[BarbaraTherese]

Mass on Good Friday???

…many really good Catholics do not realize that we have no Mass on Good Friday and I think this may be so (I’m not a clued up Catholic either ) because there is no actual Consecration, while there is Holy Communion (with already consecrated hosts) for all who approach the altar …

But it is good to gently point out that we do not have Mass on Good Friday for the sake of a good understanding of our Faith…

There is such an overwhelming amount of information and almost new stuff daily, terminology etc. etc. that it is near on impossible to keep up with it all …

Barb

 

[distracted]

I was meaning judgmental with a definition closer to the built in dictionary on my computer (Webster’s-based I think): having or displaying and excessively critical point of view. Some of your comments struck me as fitting the bill.

If speaking my truth is excessively critical, i guess that’s just the way it is. Do i have a right to have my own opinion?

I normally do like to debate. But my perception is that you don’t seem to really want to debate, just to criticize my position and pass moral judgement on my lack of being convinced about the arguments presented by the Church and hence the state of my soul or whether I should even have been allowed back in the Church. Maybe I misperceived your comments.

your perceptions are wrong. I just know that God doesn’t wnat women priests. If he did, he would have accomplished that by now.

 

[GailMac4]

Hmmmmm…something weird heard in a homily…that would be a joke about a boy who peed himself while watching a goldfish in a bowl at school by Monsignor Tracy at St. Stanislaus’ Parish a month or two ago.

Weird? Edifrying? Tasteless? Numbing melodrama? All of the above.

Peace,

Gail

 

[kaws]

If speaking my truth is excessively critical, i guess that’s just the way it is. Do i have a right to have my own opinion?

your perceptions are wrong. I just know that God doesn’t wnat women priests. If he did, he would have accomplished that by now.

Of course you have a right to your own opinion. I wasn’t trying to imply otherwise. It seems like you don’t think I have a right to my opinion, but whatever… If I misperceived your comments I apologize. Again I am not personally convinced that women priests could not at some point in the future fit into God’s plan. In the meantime, while I don’t really understand or agree with the Church’s position, I accept that it is the current position of the Catholic Church and I obey. Sorry to have touched a nerve. Best wishes for the new year.

 

[distracted]

Of course you have a right to your own opinion. I wasn’t trying to imply otherwise. It seems like you don’t think I have a right to my opinion,

again, you are wrong. I used to somewhat lean toward the same position … and even had the desire to be a priest there for awhile… but i guess you could say that God showed me “things”… and the desire left me… I have to go right now… but thanks for your diplomatic way of wording things… kind of rare on the CAF…

God bless…

 

[That_one_guy]

Pope Benedict XVI has used his Christmas homily to speak out against selfishness and the degradation of the environment as he celebrated midnight mass at St Peter’s Basilica.


'sup?

 

[distracted]

Weird? Edifrying? Tasteless? Numbing melodrama? All of the above.

Peace,

Gail

well, at least it wasn’t… heterodox…

That is the worst that can happen in a homily…

and sometimes the heterodoxy is worded in an orthodox-sounding or subtle way so most people either miss it or don’t thikn it is such a big deal… but the Catholic Church is losing ground in society… so we have to… be aware of anti-Catholic attitudes… and speak up…

 

[distracted]

. When he got to Solomon, he marveled aloud how the king could have fulfilled his obligation to 700 wives and 30 concubines in a time when Viagara was non existent.

y.

wasn’t “very good”…??

Yikes… that’s a serious understatement…

makes me appreciate my own not-so-perfect-by-a-long-shot priest …

 

[benedictgal]

wasn’t “very good”…??

Yikes… that’s a serious understatement…

makes me appreciate my own not-so-perfect-by-a-long-shot priest …

I was trying to be charitable. I really like my pastor. This wasn’t one of his better moments.