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[elts1956]

Nancy Pelosi: Free Will Trumps Catholic Church’s Pro-Life Teachings on Abortion

by Steven Ertelt
LifeNews.com Editor

December 28, 2009

Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) – The rift between House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and the Catholic Church will likely grow thanks to new comments the abortion advocate made. Pelosi said in a new interview that the “free will” of women wanting abortions outweighs pro-life Catholic teachings.

Newsweek’s Eleanor Clift conducted a year-end interview with Pelosi.

A rift can occur only if two parties exist on the same plane of existece. Since Ms. Pelosi exists on her on own plane of reality, her words are like “chaff” in the wind.

Go to lifenews.com/state4686.html for the full article.

 

[SunnaB16]

Whatever happened to Excommunication?
For the sake of the flock, and for her own sake, why cant the appropriate Bishop make a public example of her, along with the rest of em (starting with Biden?)?
And to save whats left of the Churchs credibility.

This has all been said before, though, hasn`t it! Ad infinitum.

 

[Canto]

Since when does free will give somone the right to murder
This makes me sick

Ms Pelosi won’t believe you if you tell her the Church speaks infalibly on abortion but how about this mam

Canon 752 While the assent of faith is not required, **a religious submission of intellect and will is to be given **to any doctrine which either the Supreme Pontiff or the College of Bishops, exercising their authentic magisterium, declare upon a matter of faith or morals, even though they do not intend to proclaim that doctrine by definitive act. **Christ’s faithful are therefore to **ensure that they avoid whatever does not accord with that doctrine.

 

[thomas_jd]

Whatever happened to Excommunication?
For the sake of the flock, and for her own sake, why cant the appropriate Bishop make a public example of her, along with the rest of em (starting with Biden?)?
And to save whats left of the Churchs credibility.

This has all been said before, though, hasn`t it! Ad infinitum.

You don’t have to offically be excommunicated by the church. At the time of committing the act “the offence against” you are excommunicated.

 

[usingreason]

You don’t have to offically be excommunicated by the church. At the time of committing the act “the offence against” you are excommunicated.

However a public excommunication would be most helpful in this case–as she is publically mocking the Church…so sick of these “catholic” politicians…

 

[Lancer]

I agree that we have heard this so often (Pelosi, Kennedy, Cuomo, et. al.)…and we always keep looking for these (famous/scandalous) Catholics to get right with the Church (the Pope, their bishop, the Magisterium, the Body of Christ, etc.)…in other words…conversion and recant (in some visible way) their anti-Church position on matters of faith and morals…but those who do so are…“far-and-few-between” (Right now I can call to mind vampire author… Ann Rice as one of the few who has had a significant conversion…but no other names pop into my mind at this moment).

So…we tire…as they do/say explicit things against the Church’s teachings…and go to Holy Communion…and few bishops “seem” to do much…and those who do “seem” to have little or no effect.

Here are several critical points (all by JP-II) that we should all remember for ABOUT THEM in their going to Holy Communion (and especially ABOUT MYSELF when I receive Holy Communion)…**my bottom line point **is that they (Pelosi, et.al., and even myself…can “dress the part”…and…“play the roll”…but if she/they/I “ain’t” in total communion with the Pope, our bishop and the Magisterium…we are not receiving Holy Communion…we may be fooling ourselves and some in the pews…but we are not fooling the one who counts…Christ Our Lord…and He can’t give His one “Self” to one who is not part of His Self…His Body…His Church…in full communion with Him through Her! (note: Fr. Roman Guardini[1885-1968] – a great Theologian of 20th Century and a leading reformer of Vatican II/mentor to Joseph Ratzinger-- says that the often quoted scripture of St. Paul…**1 Cor 11: 29 **"….For all who eat and drink without disceerning the body, eat and drink judgment against themselves…" is really talking about discerning the Body of Christ…the Church with the Pope, bishops, and teachings of the Magisterium…and not a person’s conscience that he/she is free from serious personal sin [that is already assumed] Meditations Before Mass). quote

Pax Christi
P.S. please forgive “red/bold”!

ENCYCLICAL LETTER …ECCLESIA DE EUCHARISTIAOF HIS HOLINESS POPE JOHN PAUL II
CHAPTER FOUR
THE EUCHARIST
AND ECCLESIAL COMMUNION
35. The celebration of the** Eucharist, however, cannot be the starting-point for communion; it presupposes that communion already exists**,… The sacrament is an expression of this bond of communion both in its* invisible*** dimension**,…,** and in its* visible*** dimension, which entails communion in the teaching of the Apostles, in the sacraments and in the Church’s hierarchical order. …Only in this context can there be a legitimate celebration of the Eucharist and true participation in it. Consequently it is an intrinsic requirement of the Eucharist that it should be celebrated in communion, and **specifically maintaining the various bonds of that communion intact. **

1. Ecclesial communion, … “They are fully incorporated into the society of the Church who, possessing the Spirit of Christ, accept her whole structure and all the means of salvation established within her, and within her visible framework are united to Christ, who governs her through the Supreme Pontiff and the Bishops, by the bonds of profession of faith, the sacraments, ecclesiastical government and communion”.77

The Eucharist, as the supreme sacramental manifestation of communion in the Church, demands to be celebrated in a context where the outward bonds of communion are also intact. … It is not possible to give communion to a person who is not baptized or to one who rejects the full truth of the faith regarding the Eucharistic mystery. Christ is the truth and he bears witness to the truth (cf. Jn 14:6; 18:37); the sacrament of his body and blood does not permit duplicity."
…The Bishop, in effect, is the visible** principle and the foundation of unity within his particular Church.80 It would therefore be **a great contradiction if the sacrament *par excellence *of the Church’s unity were celebrated without true communion with the Bishop. …Likewise, since “the Roman Pontiff, as the successor of Peter, is the perpetual and visible source and foundation of the unity of the Bishops and of the multitude of the faithful”,82 communion with him is intrinsically required for the celebration of the Eucharistic Sacrifice. Hence the great truth expressed which the Liturgy expresses in a variety of ways: “Every celebration of the Eucharist is performed in union not only with the proper Bishop, but also with the Pope, with the episcopal order, with all the clergy, and with the entire people. Every valid celebration of the Eucharist expresses this universal communion with Peter and with the whole Church, or objectively calls for it, as in the case of the Christian Churches separated from Rome”.83 **

vatican.va/holy_father/special_features/encyclicals/documents/hf_jp-ii_enc_20030417_ecclesia_eucharistia_en.html

 

[Newbie2]

However a public excommunication would be most helpful in this case–as she is publically mocking the Church…so sick of these “catholic” politicians…

I agree.

It would be different, IMHO, if she were to say that she disagreed on church teaching on abortion, however, she’s claiming that what she says about abortion is what the Church teaches about abortion.

Now what would happen if a Catholic theologian were to say the same thing she’s saying? They’d be called on the carpet, requested to make a recant and if none was forthcoming, they’d lose their status as a Catholic theologian (officially).

Pelosi hasn’t made the same profession of faith and oath that a Catholic theologian is required to make, but all the same she has the bully pulpit being one of the top few most powerful and influential people in the country…and some people believe that she speaks for the church when she spews out all those mistruths.

It irritates the **** out of me that the Vatican warns politicians about doing such things, then does nothing to back it up, nothing even as simple like a stern public correction.

When a Catholic in her position publically thanks God that abortions are going to be further funded, it’s time for an excommunication.

 

[elts1956]

Whatever happened to Excommunication?
For the sake of the flock, and for her own sake, why cant the appropriate Bishop make a public example of her, along with the rest of em (starting with Biden?)?
And to save whats left of the Churchs credibility.

This has all been said before, though, hasn`t it! Ad infinitum.

Yep, been said and wished for many, many times. About 2/3rds of our Bishops believe their choice of livlihood is a career and not a vocation.

 

[SunnaB16]

If some bishops showed the same lack of fidelity in a corporate setting, theyd be kicked out quick smart, the word would get around, and itd be the dole queue.

Those of us who haven`t been praying for them (guilty as charged) are at fault, too. The fella down under would be focusing more on them than he is on us. They must be under terrible pressure.

 

[MadScot]

However a public excommunication would be most helpful in this case–as she is publically mocking the Church…so sick of these “catholic” politicians…

I know how you feel. One of our Senators from Missouri is one of those.

 

[Linda_Marie]

God gives us the free will to choose Him or to go our own way. If we choose to go our own way, we voluntarily separate ourselves from God.

I do think it is past time for the Bishops to take the hard line with all dissenting Catholics but especially with the prominent Catholics who publically embrace sin while boldly proclaiming that they still hold themselves to be Catholic and that the Church allows them to have mortally sinful dissenting beliefs and still remain Catholics in good standing.

When the Church does nothing to contradict this statement, other Catholics believe it must be true and many are led astray. This is why I am so frustrated with the Bishops for not acting. So many souls are at stake. Allowing them to remain in their error is only spreading that error.

If you want to call yourself Catholic, you must adhere to the Teachings of the Church.

If you want to follow your free will against the explicit Teaching of the Church, then don’t call yourself a Catholic.

If the Son shall set you free, you shall be free indeed. What seems like servitude on the outside, is absolute freedom with Christ, freedom from the sin and error which brings eternal death. As Father Corapi says, “In the end, one thing is certain. You and I will spend eternity in heaven or in hell.”

The Choice is ours.

 

[SunnaB16]

Satan knows how to quote Scripture … and twist it.

Madam Pelosi knows how to quote Church teaching … and twist it.