Nancy Pelosi Ditches Catholic Credentials, Can't Say if Jesus Has Right to Life

[ERose]

her response was “Whenever it was, we bow our heads when we talk about it in church, and that’s where I’d like to talk about that,” Pelosi said in response
now correct me if i’m wrong but when we say the creed during mass we are suppose to bow our heads ( it actualy says bow your heads in the mass leaflet in my diocess) on the lines “who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary”
so how are people so sure that she id denying her catholic faith. never judge

The only thing that we are judging her own is her actions and her words. She is a pro-death polititian who has in the recent past challenged her Church in public concerning its stance on abortion even saying that St. Augustine thought abortion was acceptable. In truth it is her words and her voting record that judge her.

As I said before her Bishop needs to excommunicate her. That would be the compassionate thing to do for her because hopefully it will be a wakeup call and she will see the error of her ways, find penance and reconciliation.

Because of her actions she has already excommunicated herself and she does not even know it because her bishop is failing in his responsibility to one of his flock. I blame him
more than I do her in this matter.

 

[ERose]

No, but it would be wonderful to live in a nation where every man and woman enjoys the freedom to choose their religion or not choose a religion without worrying about being forced to follow someone else’s religious laws.

I get my ideas from my environment and from my conscience. Yes, I’m Catholic. Really, I am. You’ve asked me this before IIRC, and IIRC I answered. Just for review: I went to Catholic grammar school, Catholic high school and graduated from a Catholic university. All of my family is Catholic as well. That doesn’t mean I automatically think I know all about the state of Pelosi’s soul. That means I pray for her.

Rence,

This is off the topic but I feel like I have to say something. You seem to believe in moral and religious relativism, which regretfully the majority of people today accepts and believe. But Jesus didn’t believe in relativism when it came to His message. God is an absolutist. He knows that there is only one truth not thousands or millions of truths only one and that is His.

I know that it is in vogue now and these days to be all inclusive to say that there is millions of truths out there and who is to say who is right or who is wrong. But Jesus Christ came down to earth and was born of a woman to show us what is right and what is wrong.

We Catholics are called to a life that is pleasing to God, which is obeying his Son’s message and following in His footsteps as we are able. We are called to believe that the Catholic church is the pillar and bulwark of truth, established to provide us a map to heaven and a user-guide to live a good life. If we do not believe that that the Church is what it says it is then where do we look?

 

[elts1956]

No, but it would be wonderful to live in a nation where every man and woman enjoys the freedom to choose their religion or not choose a religion without worrying about being forced to follow someone else’s religious laws.

I get my ideas from my environment and from my conscience. Yes, I’m Catholic. Really, I am. You’ve asked me this before IIRC, and IIRC I answered. Just for review: I went to Catholic grammar school, Catholic high school and graduated from a Catholic university. All of my family is Catholic as well. That doesn’t mean I automatically think I know all about the state of Pelosi’s soul. That means I pray for her.

So far, here in the US no one is forced to follow any religion. They may also choose which religion to follow. Sorry to have requestioned you about being Catholic. I don’t know the “state” of anyone’s soul. That is between the individual and God, that is the Protestant side of faith. Now if one is Catholic one is supposed to allow themselves, pride and all, to be led by the tenents of the Church and the Magesterium. ie. the dogma and doctrine of the Church. Sad to say, many of the Bishops in the World have defied the Holy Father on many an issue. I have not read Humanae Vitae, but I understand many of the Bishops, especially in the US openly took issue with Pope Paul VI on this. If we as lay people are supposed to try our best to follow what the Church teaches, then why are the dissident Bishops and clergy allowed to do as their “conscience” tells them and advise the laity, they don’t really have to listen to Peter? No wonder great confusion and mayhem abound in the Church.

You say you get your ideas from your environment and your conscience. If this is all you use in your search for TRUTH, then I am afraid your education is sadly lacking, Catholic University and all. Surely they told you to read the doctrines and encyclicals of the Popes in forming your Faith and conscience???

 

[elts1956]

No, but it would be wonderful to live in a nation where every man and woman enjoys the freedom to choose their religion or not choose a religion without worrying about being forced to follow someone else’s religious laws.

I get my ideas from my environment and from my conscience. Yes, I’m Catholic. Really, I am. You’ve asked me this before IIRC, and IIRC I answered. Just for review: I went to Catholic grammar school, Catholic high school and graduated from a Catholic university. All of my family is Catholic as well. That doesn’t mean I automatically think I know all about the state of Pelosi’s soul. That means I pray for her.

Rence,

This is off the topic but I feel like I have to say something. You seem to believe in moral and religious relativism, which regretfully the majority of people today accepts and believe. But Jesus didn’t believe in relativism when it came to His message. God is an absolutist. He knows that there is only one truth not thousands or millions of truths only one and that is His.

I know that it is in vogue now and these days to be all inclusive to say that there is millions of truths out there and who is to say who is right or who is wrong. But Jesus Christ came down to earth and was born of a woman to show us what is right and what is wrong.

We Catholics are called to a life that is pleasing to God, which is obeying his Son’s message and following in His footsteps as we are able. We are called to believe that the Catholic church is the pillar and bulwark of truth, established to provide us a map to heaven and a user-guide to live a good life. If we do not believe that that the Church is what it says it is then where do we look?

Good for you!!

 

[Rence]

Rence,

This is off the topic but I feel like I have to say something. You seem to believe in moral and religious relativism, which regretfully the majority of people today accepts and believe. But Jesus didn’t believe in relativism when it came to His message. God is an absolutist. He knows that there is only one truth not thousands or millions of truths only one and that is His.

I know that it is in vogue now and these days to be all inclusive to say that there is millions of truths out there and who is to say who is right or who is wrong. But Jesus Christ came down to earth and was born of a woman to show us what is right and what is wrong.

We Catholics are called to a life that is pleasing to God, which is obeying his Son’s message and following in His footsteps as we are able. We are called to believe that the Catholic church is the pillar and bulwark of truth, established to provide us a map to heaven and a user-guide to live a good life. If we do not believe that that the Church is what it says it is then where do we look?

Yes, He knows there is only one truth not thousands ormillions of truths. Yes, He came down to earth to show us what is right. Yes, we Catholics are collaed to a life that is pleasing to God. However, he also said that if one does not accept the teachings of the Church, he told his disciples to shake the dust from that house off their feet, not try to force them to follow the teachings of the Church. There are many people who don’t wish to follow the teachings of the Church. We can teach the message, but we have no control over how it is received. Yes, we are called to follow the Church and it’s teachings, but others do not. Pelosi represents Catholics and non-Catholics. The same opportunities for good and for sinning are available to Catholics and non-Catholics alike. Some Catholics are so busy trying to get others to conform to the Catholic Church’s teachings and rules, when they should be busy working on getting Catholics to conform to Catholic teachings and rules by educating and praying for their fellow Catholics. Getting Catholics to conform to Catholic teachings has nothing to do with civil law.

 

[kimmielittle]

Hmmmmmmmmm…Ms Pelosi

Can I judge her?
As a politician …I have every right to judge her work performance.

As a Catholic do I have the right?
Actually, Since Ms Polosi uses the podium to “preach” to Catholics - Representing herself as a Catholic -

Well…they say “You judge a tree by it’s fruits” …I have every right - in fact - A duty as a Catholic, to inspect the fruit offered me, by her. AND a duty to warn others if the fruit seems tainted.

 

[ERose]

Yes, He knows there is only one truth not thousands ormillions of truths. Yes, He came down to earth to show us what is right. Yes, we Catholics are collaed to a life that is pleasing to God. However, he also said that if one does not accept the teachings of the Church, he told his disciples to shake the dust from that house off their feet, not try to force them to follow the teachings of the Church. There are many people who don’t wish to follow the teachings of the Church. We can teach the message, but we have no control over how it is received. Yes, we are called to follow the Church and it’s teachings, but others do not. Pelosi represents Catholics and non-Catholics. The same opportunities for good and for sinning are available to Catholics and non-Catholics alike. Some Catholics are so busy trying to get others to conform to the Catholic Church’s teachings and rules, when they should be busy working on getting Catholics to conform to Catholic teachings and rules by educating and praying for their fellow Catholics. Getting Catholics to conform to Catholic teachings has nothing to do with civil law.

I believe that I am doing just that with you. I am doing what we are suppose to do with fellow Catholics am I not. Jesus never said that we can pick and choose our beliefs and we would still be ok. No, he told us to follow him and his teachings. This point is for you.

Concerning Pelosi, she does not vote pro-death because that is what her constituites want her to do, even though the area she comes from would. No she vote pro-death because that is what she believes. She does not care what her constituates want. She is following her own judgement. She votes pro-death because she wants. Now the problem with Pelosi and other pro-death catholic politians is that they create scandle. If they think that abortion is acceptable and the church does nothing to change that view then normal Catholics and other people begin to believe that it is acceptable and the Church thinks so as well.

Again she should be excommunicated along with every pro-death Catholic politian out there.

 

[Rence]

I believe that I am doing just that with you. I am doing what we are suppose to do with fellow Catholics am I not. Jesus never said that we can pick and choose our beliefs and we would still be ok. No, he told us to follow him and his teachings. This point is for you.

I choose to follow the teachings of the Church, and I am not coerced. However, I reject the notion that some people have that the entire world should be Catholic because if that is not their choice, they should not have to be Catholic, or have to conform to Catholic rules. You can tell me otherwise all you like, but I reject that notion. Being Catholic and following Catholic rules is a choice. Being Catholic and following Catholic rules is not something that should be forced upon another. Creating/changing laws civily in order to coerce others into following Catholic laws is unacceptable to me.

Concerning Pelosi, she does not vote pro-death because that is what her constituites want her to do, even though the area she comes from would. No she vote pro-death because that is what she believes. She does not care what her constituates want. She is following her own judgement. She votes pro-death because she wants. Now the problem with Pelosi and other pro-death catholic politians is that they create scandle. If they think that abortion is acceptable and the church does nothing to change that view then normal Catholics and other people begin to believe that it is acceptable and the Church thinks so as well.

Again she should be excommunicated along with every pro-death Catholic politian out there.

Pelosi has met with the Pope and he has not condemned her. If he has not condemned her and she still attends Mass and receives Communion, lay people are not in a position to demand that she be ecommunicated. If the Church is not a democracy for a group who wants a change, then it’s not a democracy for everyone.

 

[elts1956]

I choose to follow the teachings of the Church, and I am not coerced. However, I reject the notion that some people have that the entire world should be Catholic because if that is not their choice, they should not have to be Catholic, or have to conform to Catholic rules. You can tell me otherwise all you like, but I reject that notion. Being Catholic and following Catholic rules is a choice. Being Catholic and following Catholic rules is not something that should be forced upon another. Creating/changing laws civily in order to coerce others into following Catholic laws is unacceptable to me.

Pelosi has met with the Pope and he has not condemned her. If he has not condemned her and she still attends Mass and receives Communion, lay people are not in a position to demand that she be ecommunicated. If the Church is not a democracy for a group who wants a change, then it’s not a democracy for everyone.

The Pope was kind and merciful with Pelosi. He tried to re teach her with kindness. I think he has decided to let her find her own particular hell.

 

[elts1956]

I choose to follow the teachings of the Church, and I am not coerced. However, I reject the notion that some people have that the entire world should be Catholic because if that is not their choice, they should not have to be Catholic, or have to conform to Catholic rules. You can tell me otherwise all you like, but I reject that notion. Being Catholic and following Catholic rules is a choice. Being Catholic and following Catholic rules is not something that should be forced upon another. Creating/changing laws civily in order to coerce others into following Catholic laws is unacceptable to me.

Gee, I guess Our Lord goofed. He told the TRUTH, but let people make their own decisions as to whether or not to follow him. Only the enlightened did so, perhaps not perfectly, but then that is why we are on Earth to try to perfect ourselves and mov ecloser to His image and teachings. I do think that personally you have heard too many choices and are very confused.

Pelosi has met with the Pope and he has not condemned her. If he has not condemned her and she still attends Mass and receives Communion, lay people are not in a position to demand that she be ecommunicated. If the Church is not a democracy for a group who wants a change, then it’s not a democracy for everyone.

 

[elts1956]

I choose to follow the teachings of the Church, and I am not coerced. However, I reject the notion that some people have that the entire world should be Catholic because if that is not their choice, they should not have to be Catholic, or have to conform to Catholic rules. You can tell me otherwise all you like, but I reject that notion. Being Catholic and following Catholic rules is a choice. Being Catholic and following Catholic rules is not something that should be forced upon another. Creating/changing laws civily in order to coerce others into following Catholic laws is unacceptable to me.

Pelosi has met with the Pope and he has not condemned her. If he has not condemned her and she still attends Mass and receives Communion, lay people are not in a position to demand that she be ecommunicated. If the Church is not a democracy for a group who wants a change, then it’s not a democracy for everyone.

Are you saying the Church is a Democracy???/

 

[SalesianSDB]

Ms Pelosi,is a Catholic, as far as you and I as members of the public can determine.
She does, from all accounts, appear to be a Catholic dissident,but still, that is not for us to judge. We do not kneel beside her or any one else in the confessional only the Priest in Persona Christe.
Peace, Carlan

I can’t imagine being her parish priest. I think he needs our prayers as well. As someone thinking of becoming a priest, I could imagine that he is in a tough spot that I would not like to be in, but a spot that could lead to some serious conversion.

That being said, only God knows what is in her heart, so I try not to judge. God knows I’m not perfect as well.

Pray for the Speaker and her priest.

 

[ERose]

I choose to follow the teachings of the Church, and I am not coerced.

Nor should you be. I am not trying to make you do anything. I am pointing out to you some errors in your thoughts concerning the Church. Big difference there.

However, I reject the notion that some people have that the entire world should be Catholic because if that is not their choice, they should not have to be Catholic, or have to conform to Catholic rules. You can tell me otherwise all you like, but I reject that notion.

No complaint from me on this one either. My posts were not directed at non-Catholics. They were directed at you and you alone. Christ wants us to freely accept Him and His Message which also includes the function of His Church.

Being Catholic and following Catholic rules is a choice. Being Catholic and following Catholic rules is not something that should be forced upon another. Creating/changing laws civily in order to coerce others into following Catholic laws is unacceptable to me.

This I agree with as well concerning Catholic laws and rules. This is not the case for Natural laws though such as murder (including abortion), theft, adultury, etc. We need to defend these rules in our society and stand up for these rules. Abortion is a violation of natural law. I should not be allowed in this or any society. Relativism has taken over the mindset of this world and that needs to change. It is our and our politians’ responsibility to promote natural law even in the secular world.

Pelosi has met with the Pope and he has not condemned her. If he has not condemned her and she still attends Mass and receives Communion, lay people are not in a position to demand that she be ecommunicated. If the Church is not a democracy for a group who wants a change, then it’s not a democracy for everyone.

No he did not excommunicate her but he did not support her beliefs on abortion. I believe he tried to instruct her on the Catholic teaching on abortion. I still believe that she needs to be excommunicated so that she can understand the gravity of her position. Also thank you for supporting my comments that this problems does create scandle in the Church.

P.S. the Catholic church is not a democratic organization.

 

[Rence]

Are you saying the Church is a Democracy???/

No Elts, I am not.

 

[Aboveallbereal]

I personally don’t think she deserves the name of Protestant. There are many Protestants who are more Catholic than she is.

My friend when I point out the reality that Ms. Pelosi is a Protestant I am not intending insult to Protestants. I am simply pointing to the objective reality that a professed Christian (which she apparently is) who rejects the teaching magisterium (which she explicitly does) is in fact a Protestant. The word and state has no other meaning.

This is merely correctly naming an objective reality.

The fact that a lady who is objectively in heresy is not excommunicated in a matter for the bishops…who can be guaranteed to flunk the call through moral cowardice.

 

[drafdog]

Jesus does not have the “right to life.” Not in the sense that we as American citizens have a legally protected right to life. John 10:17 & 18 recounts Jesus as saying of life “No one takes it from me… I have the power to lay it down and the power to take it (up) again.” This is a statement of someone who OWNS life, not someone who has a right to life that needs some form of legal protection or guarantee.
We poor feeble humans whose sins nailed the just one to the cross have no power over his life since he is life itself.

Reb Levi

 

[Dum_Spiro_Spero]

Whatever they are…if they exist…she certainly doesn’t have them LOL

Out of curiosity, just what are “Catholic Credentials”??