Nancy Pelosi Ditches Catholic Credentials, Can't Say if Jesus Has Right to Life

[Tantum_ergo]

If Muslim or Jewish or Protesant politicians felt that they had a duty to their religion before their duty to the people, imagine the ramifications. Since Senators and Representatives from other parts of the country affect all of us, we SHOULD let them know how we feel and we should expect them to do something about it. However, our Senators and Representatives have a duty and responsibility to those who elected them, to actually do their job and represent the voters who elected them. I sure don’t want my rights dictated to me by someone of the Muslim faith based on his or her religious beliefs, and I’m quite sure many feel the same way about politicians of the Catholic faith. This country is not a Catholic country, but a melting pot of those with different religions, and even no religion.

So you mean that Nancy couldn’t say, “Well, as a Catholic Christian I believe that Jesus had the right to life from conception. But as an American ‘political leader’, that is above my ‘pay grade’ to answer, and after all, my opinions count for nothing–I only uphold the law of my country.”

You mean that becoming an ‘elected official’ means that you no longer have to freedom to believe what you choose? And you no longer have the freedom to speak publically what you believe?

That is sad.

 

[Newbie2]

If Muslim or Jewish or Protesant politicians felt that they had a duty to their religion before their duty to the people, imagine the ramifications. Since Senators and Representatives from other parts of the country affect all of us, we SHOULD let them know how we feel and we should expect them to do something about it. However, our Senators and Representatives have a duty and responsibility to those who elected them, to actually do their job and represent the voters who elected them. I sure don’t want my rights dictated to me by someone of the Muslim faith based on his or her religious beliefs, and I’m quite sure many feel the same way about politicians of the Catholic faith. This country is not a Catholic country, but a melting pot of those with different religions, and even no religion.

From the:
CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH

DOCTRINAL NOTE
on some questions regarding
The Participation of Catholics in Political Life November, 2002

The Church recognizes that while democracy is the best expression of the direct participation of citizens in political choices, it succeeds only to the extent that it is based on a correct understanding of the human person.[17] Catholic involvement in political life cannot compromise on this principle, for otherwise the witness of the Christian faith in the world, as well as the unity and interior coherence of the faithful, would be non-existent. The democratic structures on which the modern state is based would be quite fragile were its foundation not the centrality of the human person. It is respect for the person that makes democratic participation possible. As the Second Vatican Council teaches, the protection of «the rights of the person is, indeed, a necessary condition for citizens, individually and collectively, to play an active part in public life and administration

It would seem that Catholic politicians have a duty toward Church teachings. Catholic politicians, if faithful to the Church teachings, should run for office based on “Such and such is what I believe”, not “Vote for me and I’ll support anything you want me to support”. In fact, good leaders of any sort should run on the principle of “this is what I believe, vote for me and I’ll fight for it” rather than “I’ll vote for anything you want me to”.

Current Gov. of Michigan ran her last election partly pandering to Catholics while blatently supporting abortion rights by saying something like “Personally I’m against abortion but I have to support the law of the land”.

That’s a cop-out, a slimy way of worming oneself out of their responsibility to the Gospel. What she said is that she has absolutely no intention of living her faith…let’s face it, who has more power to stop abortion, the GOVERNOR of a State, or Joe Blow Average Catholic?

It’s selling out (I use a different word in less polite company) your soul for political power.

If Muslim or Jewish or Protesant politicians felt that they had a duty to their religion before their duty to the people, imagine the ramifications.

What’s wrong with that? Are you against a Muslim running on a jihadist platform? You don’t think there are people running for office with dangerous, evil hidden agendas???

This is America, one can run for political office on any crazy idea they want to. That’s what freedom is all about. Of course we have the freedom to reject such crazy or dangerous notions at the ballot box.

 

[Tantum_ergo]

Of course, the major point (which Nancy seems to have missed) is that abortion is **not a religious issue. **

It is a human rights issue.

Nobody is asking Nancy to make ‘religious judgments’ here but to speak on a human rights issue.

And she did not.

 

[Rence]

Catholic politicians, if faithful to the Church teachings, should run for office based on “Such and such is what I believe”, not “Vote for me and I’ll support anything you want me to support”. In fact, good leaders should run on the principle of “this is what I believe, vote for me and I’ll fight for it” rather than “I’ll vote for anything you want me to”.

Yep, good leaders should run on the principle of telling the truth about their platform and how they’re going to vote, that way the voters can decide whether or not they want that politician in office. I totally agree with you

Originally Posted by Rence
If Muslim or Jewish or Protesant politicians felt that they had a duty to their religion before their duty to the people, imagine the ramifications.

What’s wrong with that? Are you against a Muslim running on a jihadist platform? You don’t think there are people running for office with dangerous, evil hidden agendas???

I’m not against anyone running for office as long as they have the best interests of this country in mind, and not the goal of changing this country’s laws to conform to Muslim laws. It would be wrong if they would come into office with the intention of changing the laws of the U.S. to conform to Muslim religious teachings, such as the requirement that women cover their heads at all times, or outlawing the consumption of pork products. And I don’t just feel that way about Muslim law, I feel that about any religion’s laws. Though if I took all three religions together, I’d prefer the Jewish law, it seems to be the most reasonable of all three religions

This is America, one can run for political office on any crazy idea they want to. That’s what freedom is all about. Of course we have the freedom to reject such crazy or dangerous notions at the ballot box.

Yep! That is why it would behoove a politician to do as the voters who voted him/her in want them to, or they can be just as easily voted out for breaking their promises to the voters who voted them in. These politicians represent the voters, and speak on behalf of the voters, not just of themselves. That’s their JOB. They don’t have the luxury of voting as they please, because they have voters to whom to answer.

 

[DWC_RC]

Yep, good leaders should run on the principle of telling the truth about their platform and how they’re going to vote, that way the voters can decide whether or not they want that politician in office. I totally agree with you

I’m not against anyone running for office as long as they have the best interests of this country in mind, and not the goal of changing this country’s laws to conform to Muslim laws. It would be wrong if they would come into office with the intention of changing the laws of the U.S. to conform to Muslim religious teachings, such as the requirement that women cover their heads at all times, or outlawing the consumption of pork products. And I don’t just feel that way about Muslim law, I feel that about any religion’s laws. Though if I took all three religions together, I’d prefer the Jewish law, it seems to be the most reasonable of all three religions

Yep! That is why it would behoove a politician to do as the voters who voted him/her in want them to, or they can be just as easily voted out for breaking their promises to the voters who voted them in. These politicians represent the voters, and speak on behalf of the voters, not just of themselves. That’s their JOB. They don’t have the luxury of voting as they please, because they have voters to whom to answer.

Your either Catholic or your not. You can’t go to congress and vote to kill babies while taking the Eucharist that evening at Mass. It doesn’t jive.

 

[ERose]

Two points i would like to make:

1. Pelosia is a scandle because her bishop isn’t doing his job. She, along with every other pro-death catholic politian, should be excommunicated. We have scandle because our bishops are no longer acting like true bishops.
2. Pelosia votes pro-death because that is what she believes. She doesn’t care what the citizens think because she is a progressive and thinks all Americans outside her ruling class are stupid.

 

[kimmielittle]

Of course, the major point (which Nancy seems to have missed) is that abortion is **not a religious issue. **

It is a human rights issue.

Nobody is asking Nancy to make ‘religious judgments’ here but to speak on a human rights issue.

And she did not.

:clapping::tiphat:

 

[buffalo]

We should all send her copies of Catholicism for Dummies.

Thousands and thousands…to her offices.

 

[qui_est_ce]

If Ms. Pelosi’s claims to be a devout Catholic, and if her political position requires her to go against Catholic beliefs, she should not have put herself in that position. If she has political ambitions, there are other parties or platforms she could run on. She could defy the Democratic Party platform on abortion, but she chooses to defy the Catholic Church instead. She has put the Democratic above the Church.

Pour forth we beseech thee O Lord, thy Grace into her heart, that she may open the ears of her heart to your Truth.

In Jesus name,

Amen.

 

[Aboveallbereal]

Two points i would like to make:

1. Pelosia is a scandle because her bishop isn’t doing his job. She, along with every other pro-death catholic politian, should be excommunicated. We have scandle because our bishops are no longer acting like true bishops.
2. Pelosia votes pro-death because that is what she believes. She doesn’t care what the citizens think because she is a progressive and thinks all Americans outside her ruling class are stupid.

This is a simple exposition of the truth. For her when catholic Christian notions clash with “progressive” left liberal humanism there is only one winner. Her real worldview…left liberal humanism.

 

[elts1956]

I am speculating when I say this, but she most likely felt it was no one’s business but her own.

She is a public figure giving scandal to all who listen to her. If anyone follows her thinking on faith and the right to abortion, they are as confused as she is. Senility???

 

[elts1956]

I am speculating when I say this, but she most likely felt it was no one’s business but her own.

There is subjective opinion and objective fact.

Ms. Pelosi apparently believes in God and Christ but rejects the teaching magisterium of the Church. Thus due largely to accident of birth she is a nominal catholic but is a de facto protestant Christian accepting Christ ( apparently) but rejecting the magisterium.

Quite why there is so much time spent agonising about Protestants who for some personal reasons self define as Catholic is beyond me. Nancy Pelosi is not a Catholic. She is a protestant without the honestly or self knowledge to accept that truth and publicly disown a Church she rejects.

I personally don’t think she deserves the name of Protestant. There are many Protestants who are more Catholic than she is.

 

[elts1956]

Ms Pelosi,is a Catholic, as far as you and I as members of the public can determine.
She does, from all accounts, appear to be a Catholic dissident,but still, that is not for us to judge. We do not kneel beside her or any one else in the confessional only the Priest in Persona Christe.
Peace, Carlan

Give us a break. She is a public figure spouting heresy. The lame excuse that we cannot judge anothers actions is ridiculous. She is giving great scandal to the Church, Catholics who are trying to be Catholic and members of other denominations who wonder what the h.ll is going on. Her Bishop won’t excommuncate her although Canon 915 states this should be done after admonition and if the individual continues to promote scandal. She was, she has and she is a disgrace to herself, the Church and those who allow her to continue in her illusions.

 

[elts1956]

Ms Pelosi,is a Catholic, as far as you and I as members of the public can determine.
She does, from all accounts, appear to be a Catholic dissident,but still, that is not for us to judge. We do not kneel beside her or any one else in the confessional only the Priest in Persona Christe.
Peace, Carlan

Of course she was “unable to answer”, she was probably taken by surprise and knew she was simply being bated. What does Jesus’ right to life have to do with abortion? Nothing. Why? Because: Mary consented to conceive Jesus and knew she wanted to have him. Abortions done to day are done for various reasons, not one of them being that God Himself asked them to bear the Savior of the world. They were also not Immaculately Conceived, as Mary WAS Immaculately Conceived.

Nancy Pelosi was voted in office and has a responsibility to vote according to what her voters want, and she does. If you want Nancy Pelosi to vote differently, evangelize her supporters and those who voted her in.

Her responsibility is first to God. Think outside the box, give up your thoughts on relativity and rationalization. Her job is to lead as God ordained that leaders should lead in His name, not the name of her constituents.

 

[elts1956]

If Muslim or Jewish or Protesant politicians felt that they had a duty to their religion before their duty to the people, imagine the ramifications. Since Senators and Representatives from other parts of the country affect all of us, we SHOULD let them know how we feel and we should expect them to do something about it. However, our Senators and Representatives have a duty and responsibility to those who elected them, to actually do their job and represent the voters who elected them. I sure don’t want my rights dictated to me by someone of the Muslim faith based on his or her religious beliefs, and I’m quite sure many feel the same way about politicians of the Catholic faith. This country is not a Catholic country, but a melting pot of those with different religions, and even no religion.

Of course she was “unable to answer”, she was probably taken by surprise and knew she was simply being bated. What does Jesus’ right to life have to do with abortion? Nothing. Why? Because: Mary consented to conceive Jesus and knew she wanted to have him. Abortions done to day are done for various reasons, not one of them being that God Himself asked them to bear the Savior of the world. They were also not Immaculately Conceived, as Mary WAS Immaculately Conceived.

Nancy Pelosi was voted in office and has a responsibility to vote according to what her voters want, and she does. If you want Nancy Pelosi to vote differently, evangelize her supporters and those who voted her in.

We should all send her copies of Catholicism for Dummies.

Thousands and thousands…to her offices.

Great idea. I think I just will do that. I can only afford one though.

 

[elts1956]

If Muslim or Jewish or Protesant politicians felt that they had a duty to their religion before their duty to the people, imagine the ramifications. Since Senators and Representatives from other parts of the country affect all of us, we SHOULD let them know how we feel and we should expect them to do something about it. However, our Senators and Representatives have a duty and responsibility to those who elected them, to actually do their job and represent the voters who elected them. I sure don’t want my rights dictated to me by someone of the Muslim faith based on his or her religious beliefs, and I’m quite sure many feel the same way about politicians of the Catholic faith. This country is not a Catholic country, but a melting pot of those with different religions, and even no religion.

“imagine the ramifications” Yes, wouldn’t it be wonderful to live once again in a Christian nation? I have lived on this Earth for 72 years, and NEVER have I experienced anyone in the government forcing me to accept their religious beliefs. But now I find myself living in a society that has no god except individuals who mouth all the correct words, but do nothing about them. There is a great difference between a nation that tolerates religious beliefs and one that has no idea what faith is, one that has thrown God and the rules out the door such as we have now. We have become a people with no national cohesion because there is a lack of foundation of a belief in God. In the US there are many gods and none of them spiritual. Where DO you get your ideas? Are you Catholic? Really, really Catholic? Or were you raised on the pap of the modernists?

 

[elts1956]

If Muslim or Jewish or Protesant politicians felt that they had a duty to their religion before their duty to the people, imagine the ramifications. Since Senators and Representatives from other parts of the country affect all of us, we SHOULD let them know how we feel and we should expect them to do something about it. However, our Senators and Representatives have a duty and responsibility to those who elected them, to actually do their job and represent the voters who elected them. I sure don’t want my rights dictated to me by someone of the Muslim faith based on his or her religious beliefs, and I’m quite sure many feel the same way about politicians of the Catholic faith. This country is not a Catholic country, but a melting pot of those with different religions, and even no religion.

Yep, good leaders should run on the principle of telling the truth about their platform and how they’re going to vote, that way the voters can decide whether or not they want that politician in office. I totally agree with you AND BO DID THIS??? Well on second or third thought, I guess he did tell us what he was going to do. ie. FOCA which is being passed willy nilly. Oh, that’s right 56% of catholics can’t read or think.

I’m not against anyone running for office as long as they have the best interests of this country in mind, and not the goal of changing this country’s laws to conform to Muslim laws. It would be wrong if they would come into office with the intention of changing the laws of the U.S. to conform to Muslim religious teachings, such as the requirement that women cover their heads at all times, or outlawing the consumption of pork products. And I don’t just feel that way about Muslim law, I feel that about any religion’s laws. Though if I took all three religions together, I’d prefer the Jewish law, it seems to be the most reasonable of all three religions
Your greatest nightmares may come true. You know, those chirstians in NYC are supporting a mosque near the site of Ground Zero. Lots of luck.

Yep! That is why it would behoove a politician to do as the voters who voted him/her in want them to, or they can be just as easily voted out for breaking their promises to the voters who voted them in. These politicians represent the voters, and speak on behalf of the voters, not just of themselves. That’s their JOB. They don’t have the luxury of voting as they please, because they have voters to whom to answer.

It seems to me bo is doing an outstanding job of NOT listening to the voters, who hopefully will vote him OUT in 2012, starting with his minions this November. Those who naively voted for him in 2008 still haven’t gotten their electric bills paid. He has overturned every decent law protecting humanity that was on the books and introduced a wave of his own that are destroying our country. I don’t believe the people of the US are that stupid, to have believed his lying tongue, he just sprayed them with pixie dust and they joyfully went to the polls and voted for him so he would take all responsibility for themselves from them. UN BE LIEV ABLE

 

[saveusfromhell]

her response was “Whenever it was, we bow our heads when we talk about it in church, and that’s where I’d like to talk about that,” Pelosi said in response
now correct me if i’m wrong but when we say the creed during mass we are suppose to bow our heads ( it actualy says bow your heads in the mass leaflet in my diocess) on the lines “who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary”
so how are people so sure that she id denying her catholic faith. never judge

 

[Rence]

“imagine the ramifications” Yes, wouldn’t it be wonderful to live once again in a Christian nation? I have lived on this Earth for 72 years, and NEVER have I experienced anyone in the government forcing me to accept their religious beliefs. But now I find myself living in a society that has no god except individuals who mouth all the correct words, but do nothing about them. There is a great difference between a nation that tolerates religious beliefs and one that has no idea what faith is, one that has thrown God and the rules out the door such as we have now. We have become a people with no national cohesion because there is a lack of foundation of a belief in God. In the US there are many gods and none of them spiritual. Where DO you get your ideas? Are you Catholic? Really, really Catholic? Or were you raised on the pap of the modernists?

No, but it would be wonderful to live in a nation where every man and woman enjoys the freedom to choose their religion or not choose a religion without worrying about being forced to follow someone else’s religious laws.

I get my ideas from my environment and from my conscience. Yes, I’m Catholic. Really, I am. You’ve asked me this before IIRC, and IIRC I answered. Just for review: I went to Catholic grammar school, Catholic high school and graduated from a Catholic university. All of my family is Catholic as well. That doesn’t mean I automatically think I know all about the state of Pelosi’s soul. That means I pray for her.

 

[Edward_H]

1. She hasn’t developed her conscience fully. This requires patient, long suffering work and prayer.
2. She hasn’t taken the responsibility that every Catholic has to keep up with new advances in medical technology and their effects on the moral life, as resolved by the Church.
3. This is a responsibility that all Catholics have until we die - “no coasting” as it were - we need to stay sharp and up to date and more than just knowledgeable, but conversant, in moral matters as science progresses. What does the Church say about this, and how do I need to adjust my own intellectual inclinations in line with Church Teaching. It’s always a matter of deeper refinement, never wholesale shifts.
4. She hasn’t integrated her conscience, as poorly developed as it likely is, into her intellectual actions and professional responsibilities. She’s living a dis-integrated Christian life. This is not good for her soul, and is having horrific and far ranging effects on the lives and moral lives of millions.
5. She hasn’t developed the moral virtue of courage to discover Truth and to explain it, and to defend it. She’s seeking comfort (vanity, pride, political accolades, power) when she should be shouldering more of the Cross that God has allowed her to carry.
6. She’s not using the position that God has given her to advance the Gospel of Life.

We all should pray for her with kindness and great concern. Let’s plead with God for her today.