National Organization for Marriage Facebook Page: "Good mission but users who support the FB site don't practice "hate the sin but love the sinner."

[Mannyfit75]

I join the NOM (National Organization Marriage Facebook) by pressing the like on the Facebook page.

Here is their website:

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I came into a debate on promoting celibacy for homosexuals and a lot of mainstream “Non-Catholic Christians” seem to condemned the idea of celibacy for the sake of the kingdom.

Here is the site of the argument: I am the only in the Army uniform.

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Here are some of the excerpts of the arguments:

Sheila Anderson

Emmanuel, I think I get what you are saying, but you are wrong. There is only ONE True God and that is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

I said:

Wrong? Why do you say Judeo-Christian? You claimed this country is founded on Christianity and that God is explicitly a Christian monopoly?

The Jews who do not believe in Jesus as the Messiah. They DO believe in One God. Mind you, Christianity itself have its origins from a Jewish Rabi name Jesus.

I never denied that the United States of America isn’t a country of Christian principles. You might want to look back at wat I wrote, Sheila… See More

I said, “This country was founded on Christian principles.”

You need to read what I wrote because I think you misinterpret my own writings.

Basically what I am saying. Christians do not have a monopoly on God. The Jews believe in God.

I said, “This country was founded on Christian principles.”

You need to read what I wrote because I think you misinterpret my own writings.

Basically what I am saying. Christians do not have a monopoly on God. The Jews believe in God.

Sheila said:

I thought that you were saying that all the god’s in the world were the one same god.
The Bible also tells us to preach the Gospel which also includes telling people the truth about sin and a life without God and what will happen if they die without Jesus as their Saviour.

I said:

Telling a person they are going to hell will not solve anything. As far as I am concern, the person would just leave and a Christian will lose a potential convert. So any gain a Christian wants in that person won’t be represented in a good way…

I can hope God who reads the heart of men will grant them forgiveness of their sins, provided that they repent prior to any death. I know my Church (Catholic Church) at least have not made a list of people who disagree (who died of natural death, etc) with her are currently residing in hell. Only God knows the faith of the souls of the faithful departed.

Minister Dixon

“Telling a person they are going to hell will not solve anything.”

I understand what you are saying Emmanuel, but we aren’t here to solve anything, we are here to tell and preach the truth of a life separated from Christ.

I wrote:

As far as I know. Only religions with the belief of supreme God are correct in that belief. That there is but One God. We hold the hope for their conversions to the Christain faith. We do so with respect but attacking them will not bare fruit. Tell me how did St. Paul manage to convert Athenians who are largely Gentile (Pagan believers) … See … See MoreMorein the Book of Acts Chapter 17:22. He didn’t tell them, if you do not believe in Jesus Christ, you will go to hell. Rather, he used their belief in an “unnamed god” and claimed that “unnamed god” is Jesus Christ, the risen one.

You won’t gain converts if you tell them. “Accept Jesus Christ now, or I’ll pull this triger on your head.” Many Non-Christians will view, “If you don’t accept Jesus Christ, you go to hell.” as liken to a hypocrite Christian who puts a weapon on his head."

Dixon wrote,

Emmanuel, that was Paul’s way of handing those pagan believers at that time. How many times did he apply this same method when preaching to non-Christians? All of us have our method of delivery - that’s a given and our words have to be seasoned as well. This is common sense!

No one in this thread is saying we do it as if we’re holding a gun to their heads. Please, come on now. That’s not evangelistically proper and you know this, but we do not sugarcoat a life without Christ either.

We should non-Christians our Christian virtues by living out the principles Jesus taught us followers. You will earn more.

I wrote:

Before I go to bed. I will make a final remark before I go to bed.

You claimed that we aren’t here to solve everything. Really? Isn’t our purpose is to convince homosexual marriage is wrong? Apparently, that issue has not been resolved. Why then do you preach? Preaching the Gospel Message is to resolve the sin of mankind. We are here to solve everything.

Dixon wrote:

Minister Dixon Before you go to bed let me say I respectfully disagree. We are here to preach the Word of God and not solve anything from a biblical sense. If they are converted through our preaching we have won them. But solve? I disagree!

Emmanuel we disagree on this and I will leave it as such!

I replied:

Most people who are not Christians and are told they are going to hell do find it offensive. I have my own encounters with some Evangelical Christians who believe “Catholics” are not Christians and are not going to heaven but to hell. As a Catholic, I find that offensive as much as someone claiming the Church which I belong to as the “Whore of … See MoreBabylon.”

I know the most Non-Catholic Christians do not hold the belief which I posted above but their are people who claim to Christians who do believe it.

((Continue))

 

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I also added:

Dixon,

Very well. We will leave as it is.

Then here how my discussion with Sheila and James went:

Sheila wrote:

No matter how or what a Christians says to non-Christians they still are not going to like it. That is why Jesus said that the world would hate us because we are His.

I will not leave out anything or sugar coat it. If we really believe that hell is a real place that people will go to if they have not asked Jesus into their hearts then … See Morewhy are we not doing EVERYTHING we can to not let that happen?

This new age christianity is watering down the Bible so that the world will like it. That is not what God told us to do.

Christians are suppose to plant the seeds of Faith and then God does the work.

James wrote:

Again sounds more like people hiding behind religion, the same thing that Jesus told the scribes and pharases they were doing. Don’t see how anyone can call themselves a homosexual and a christian, it dosen’t add up. Repentance is turning from sin not hiding from it. You cannot justfy yourself by saying I will just be celebate and still saying you … See Moreare a homosexual. If that person is still doing everything up to having sex but not actually having sex. It is still an abomination and they are yet in their sin.

I responded:

James,

One more thing. The Arabic word Allah is Arabic word for God. There are Christian Arabs (not Muslims) who called the Christian God Allah because they speak Arabic. How do I know this? I spoke with a Iraqi Christians here in Iraq.

I suggest you read carefully what I wrote and not try to pick and choose. Do not come to me wit conclusion which you think what I am speaking of.

He did preached about hell and heaven as well. I am not suggesting to water down Christianity and accept every single unrepentent sinner. A Christian has to do it where it is not so offensive.

You don’t know if someone who is gay is practicing celibacy and have not had sex period and is single. He might have same sex attaction but decide to obey … See MoreGod’s will and live a chaste life for sake of the kingdom. Do you think such person is going to hell? How is that any different than a heteosexual male or woman who decide to live a life on abstinence from sex?

A person like this is living the belief of “love the sinner but hate the sin.” He chooses not to do the sin for the sake of God’s will.

As far as far as the belief that God is a three or mother nature that isn’t a nature of God. That is not the belief of a one single God. I suggest you do research on religions which affirm a single God.

The belief in nature is called Pantheism. If you have taken any course on other religions you would be able to know tell the difference between a Pantheist and a monotheist (belief in ONE God).

The monotheistic God of the Abrahamic faith which affirm that One God exist is corrrect.

 

[Mannyfit75]

James wrote:

Btw, Jesus preached as much as or even more about hell as He did about heaven. As far as the religions that believe in one god being correct, some believe that one god is a tree or “mother nature” , it does not make them correct. There is right belief and wrong belief. It’s that simple! The Jewish people believe in the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob they just rejected Jesus as Messiah and thankfully for us, the gentiles they did, so that we could be accepted and in God’s words provoke His people to jealousy. The god of muslims is allah, not the God of the bible allah is never described as Love which our God is. I know what you will say they are descended from Abraham and that is true but that is where the similarities end, somehow the God of the Bible got made into something else, a false god.

Sheila,

Like I told James. I do not suggest abandoning Christan morality. How can you be certain someone who is gay had not have sex and live a chaste life?

I know of two persons who have life this way who are celibate. One is a lesbian who decide to be chaste for God’s sake of the God’s kingdom and the other is a bisexual male (who decide to had a bisexual experience but have since reformed and refame chaste, I won’t disclosed his name because he is in the Reserve).

and Sheila, I am not suggest to embrace New Age type Christianity. I never had.

You folks often condemned the act of sin but you do so with the lack of any Christian charity. The type of preaching you do is condemn “Both the sinner and sin.”

You don’t seem to practice the Christian motto of “love the sinner but hate the sin.”

James,

How is that any different from a heterosexual man like myself who is a celibate male, who is living a single life and not sinning? I choose to be celibate because I put God before myself. I will remain celibate until the day God call for me is to marry another woman, or I could be celibate if I become an ordained Catholic priest.

Let me put it this way. It is NOT a sin to have attraction to person of the same sex but to ACT (COMMIT THE SIN ITSELF) is condemned. Do you not believe in the Christian motto, “Hate the sin but love the sinner.”

In Matthew 19-12, Jesus taught his apostles about celibacy: “Some are born as eunuchs, some have been made eunuchs by others, and some choose not to marry for the sake of the Kingdom of Heaven.”

The Apostle Paul endorsed celibate life, writing in his letter to the Corinthian Church, 1 Corinthians 7, “I desire to have you to be free from cares. He who is unmarried is concerned for the things of the Lord, how he may please the Lord; but he who is married is concerned about the things of the world, how he may please his wife. There is also a difference between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman cares about the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit. But she who is married cares about the things of the world – how she may please her husband. This I say for your own profit; not that I may ensnare you, but for that which is appropriate, and that you may attend to the Lord without distraction.” (verses 32–35)

Have you people actually even spoken to gays/lesbians/bisexuals, who have taken a commitment to abstain from homosexual sex for God?

I have. Like I said before I know someone who is dear to me who is bisexual male, who has an attraction to both sex. He has told me he has not had sex for well over 4 yrs and he goes to Church and have a deep commitment to God. His love for Jesus Christ is very special to him, so dear to him in fact that he receives him every time he goes to Church.

I am preaching of celibacy for person who has same sex attraction not to commit homosexual sex for the sake of God’s Kingdom. Where do you see the hiding?

Repentance always comes first. The person who I know has repented his sins of sexual immorality to God and has remains celibate to this day and he is a regular Church goer and receives the Lord at every Sunday.