Native Americans call for ban on Christians entering the US

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Padres1969 said:
Could you cite these statistics? And how do they compare with the percentage of Christians in these countries you mention.
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I thought I’d seen a headline the other day that mentioned Christians were about 2% of the refugees coming in. This one is from November–
Over the past five years of Syria’s civil war, the United States has admitted a grand total of 53 Syrian Christian refugees, a lone Yazidi, and fewer than ten Druze, Bahá’ís, and Zoroastrians combined. That so few of the Syrian refugees coming here are non-Muslim minorities is due to American reliance on a United Nations refugee-resettlement program that disproportionately excludes them. Past absolute totals of Syrian refugees to the U.S. under this program were small, but as the Obama administration now ramps up refugee quotas by tens of thousands, it would be unconscionable to continue with a process that has consistently forsaken some of the most defenseless and egregiously persecuted of those fleeing Syria. The gross underrepresentation of the non-Muslim communities in the numbers of Syrian refugees into the U.S. is reflected year after year in the State Department’s public records. They show, for example, that while Syria’s largest non-Muslim group — Christians of the various Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant traditions — constituted 10 percent of Syria’s population before the war, they are only 2.6 percent of the 2,003 Syrian refugees that the United States has accepted since then.
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Syria’s Christian population, which before the war numbered 2 million, has since 2011 been decimated in what Pope Francis described as religious “genocide.” Tens of thousands of Aleppo’s 160,000 Christians alone have fled, many to Lebanon, after 1,000 of their community, including two Orthodox bishops, were abducted and murdered, according to Melkite Catholic archbishop Jean-Clement Jeanbart. In Khabour valley, an Assyrian bishop is frantically trying to raise ransom for 200 hostages whom ISIS threatens to kill, while many others of his diocese have fled to Turkey. Thousands of Yazidis, who numbered 80,000, have left after many of their girls and women were enslaved by ISIS in Raqqa. In Homs, Hassake, and elsewhere, the non-Muslim minorities face, in addition to Assad’s barrel bombs and war’s deprivations, targeted execution, rape, kidnapping, and forced conversion to Islam, prompting their exodus.
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And then there was this one from earlier this week—
A scant 53 Christians have been admitted to the U.S. for resettlement since the civil war began in 2011, according to the Refugee Processing Center. That number represents just over 2% of the total number of Syrians accepted, 2,184, though Christians accounted for 10% of Syria’s population before the war broke out.
“Syrian Christians want to come to the U.S. But there is no expedited status for them,” Maronite Bishop Gregory Mansour of the Eparchy of St. Maron in Brooklyn told the Register.
In late November, the State Department’s Refugee Processing Center released data on the 132 Syrian refugees that have arrived in the U.S. since the Paris terror attacks, and all were Sunni Muslims. Not one was a religious minority.
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This one from mid-November has the breakdown–
Of 2,184 Syrian refugees admitted into the U.S. since the Syrian civil war erupted in 2011, only 53 (2.4 percent) have been Christians while 2098 (or 96 percent) have been Muslims, according to State Department statistics updated on Monday.
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The remaining 33 include 1 Yazidi, 8 Jehovah Witnesses, 2 Baha’i, 6 Zoroastrians, 6 of “other religion,” 7 of “no religion,” and 3 atheists.
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This is the Refugee Processing Center website.

Miscellaneous fact: the Japanese captured a Navajo to interpret the CodeTalkers’ conversation. But because they used common words (eggs, owls, hummingbirds) to refer to military items (bombs, observation planes, fighter planes), even the captured Navajo couldn’t understand what they were talking about— “They’re having a conversation about their breakfast.”
 
Tarpeian_Rock said:
From the statistics that have been reported, the fact is that Christians AREN’T in fact being allowed into the country under the Obama administration - at least, those from mid-East countries where Christians are being persecuted. And that’s no joke.
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I saw that just today…!
 
I’m trying to remember the last time a Christian committed a terror attack on US soil.

Also, does this mean that the First World living status which was almost entirely the result of Christianity should also be banned? Or are we just talking about people here?

And on the one side, Trump wants to keep out all Muslims. On the other, the Western left wants to let all the refugees in, which I do believe goes against what St. Thomas said.

Oh, and I’m sure everyone laughs until this comes up:
independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/new-evidence-suggests-stone-age-hunters-from-europe-discovered-america-7447152.html
 
pnewton said:
Timothy McVeigh was a Catholic. The Oklahoma bombing was 1995.
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no he wasnt.

when you commit the sin of murder you turn your back to God.

Jesus never preached committing murder was acceptable.

His actions were
not christ like therefore his sctions were noy of a christian,
 
Cmc1972 said:
no he wasnt.

when you commit the sin of murder you turn your back to God.

Jesus never preached committing murder was acceptable.

His actions were
not christ like therefore his sctions were noy of a christian,
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Being baptized in the Catholic Church makes you Catholic. It doesn’t mean you go to heaven when you die.
 
st paul said that those who call themselves followers of christ but do
not act like christ are liars.

the koran promises passage to heaven for those who commit jihad.

jesus condemns thise who fo not folloe him. prays for them. i dont think jesus would want me throwing pipe bombs at people.

sin means the absence of God im greek. When you sin, you turn away from
Gods Grace.
 
pnewton said:
Timothy McVeigh was a Catholic. The Oklahoma bombing was 1995.
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Timothy McVeigh is hardly a picture of devout Catholicism. I personally know lots of Catholics who use artificial birth control but that does not mean the Church approves of ABC. I personally have not heard of any official Church doctrine recommending terrorist acts as part of our holy obligation.

The difference is, if a Muslim goes on Jihad, is he being a good Muslim or a bad Muslim?
 
No, we are not trying to disassociate. If a Christian commits terrorist acts, is he being faithful to the teachings of Jesus?

If a Muslim commits terrorist acts, is he being faithful to the teachings of Islam?
 
Sarcelle said:
Timothy McVeigh is hardly a picture of devout Catholicism. I personally know lots of Catholics who use artificial birth control but that does not mean the Church approves of ABC. I personally have not heard of any official Church doctrine recommending terrorist acts as part of our holy obligation.

The difference is, if a Muslim goes on Jihad, is he being a good Muslim or a bad Muslim?
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Most Muslims would say bad Muslim for the warped Jihad you’re referring to.
 
Padres1969 said:
Most Muslims would say bad Muslim for the warped Jihad you’re referring to.
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Which I agree.

What puzzles me is how people try to excuse the acts of terrorism committed by ISIS as well Christians do it too.

I have not seen posters here do that but I have seen posts in Facebook and YouTube saying those things.
 
Padres1969 said:
Reminds me of a great story I saw fairly recently (can’t vouch for the veracity of it, but the idea behind it is hilarious and apt to the thread subject):

Overheard in a grocery store by someone waiting in line behind a woman talking on her cell phone in another language. Ahead of her as a white man. After the woman hangs up he speaks up.

Man: “I didn’t want to say anything while you were on the phone but you are in America now. You need to speak English.”

Woman: “Excuse me?”

Man: talks slow “If you want to speak Mexican, go back to Mexico. In America, we speak English.”

Woman: “Sir, I was speaking Navajo. If you want to speak English, go back to England.”
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In a grocery store? I wonder who invented grocery stores.
 
True.

Eavesdropping on a private phone conversation and misjudaging them based on what one hears is in poor taste, IMO.
 
Not to mention, how does he know she’s not on a call with somebody in a Spanish-speaking country who can’t (and has no call to) speak English?
 
Sarcelle said:
Timothy McVeigh is hardly a picture of devout Catholicism. I personally know lots of Catholics who use artificial birth control but that does not mean the Church approves of ABC. I personally have not heard of any official Church doctrine recommending terrorist acts as part of our holy obligation.

The difference is, if a Muslim goes on Jihad, is he being a good Muslim or a bad Muslim?
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Doesn’t matter if Tim was devout or not. He was baptised in the faith. That makes him Catholic. He had ten years to think about his actions. He asked for and was granted the Last Rites and Final Confession.

You and I don’t decide whether someone is not Catholic and if you want to start doing that what is your yardstick?

Is it those who commit mortal sins: you would find millions of Catholics including some on here sitting right alongside Tim McVeigh

Is it those who don’t attend Mass every Sunday?

Is it those who do not reconcile every month?

Is it those on birth control?
 
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