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Has anyone heard of the cult of the Natsarim? What are it’s core beliefs and how does it relate to Jewish and Christian religion??
 
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Has anyone heard of the cult of the Natsarim? What are it’s core beliefs and how does it relate to Jewish and Christian religion??
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Check this out…

and this…

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YHWHNATZARIM.html
no, sweetheart, that is not real or worthy of a smart girl Visio’s attention.Check the home page.THis is a crazy man Lew White and his cult of “Sacred Name” Website is a product of a mentally disturbed person.
highly entertaining though, to get a laugh or three
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Real Gems:
-The website says that the word christian came from the word “cretin”
-Yeshua’s name is “Yahusha”
-Christianity is Synagogue of Shatan( i think he means Satan?)
-women shouldnt be allowed to speak in the assembly (what a donkey.)
etc…
What i value this forum for is balanced, respectful view of others from most MJs. If anybody here subsribes to that Lew White craziness, better tell me, I promise to momentarily promptly leave
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The term NATSARIM is used to describe the ORIGINAL followers of Yahusha of Natsarith at Acts 24:5. The term “Christianos” is found 3 times in the Greek, but the term was, in that time, a Greek term of scorn. The Hebrew/Yisraelite followers did not call themselves by a Greek term, but were at first called “Christianos” at Antioch, according to Acts 11:26. If you look up the term “cretin”, you will find it is traced back to the original Greek, “Christianos”, a term used in that time to describe a simpleton, or idiot. The term later was adopted by the believers at Alexandria, and propelled by the headmasters of the Catechetical School of Alexandria.
For every “weird” accusation there is a logical, truthful answer; my reputation has been commonly smeared, but so was the “cult” called Natsarim in the days of the first followers:
“And we think it right to hear from you what you think, for indeed, concerning** this sect**, we know that it is spoken against everywhere.” - Acts 28:22
 
Lew_White said:
The term NATSARIM is used to describe the ORIGINAL followers of Yahusha of Natsarith at Acts 24:5. The term “Christianos” is found 3 times in the Greek, but the term was, in that time, a Greek term of scorn. The Hebrew/Yisraelite followers did not call themselves by a Greek term, but were at first called “Christianos” at Antioch, according to Acts 11:26. If you look up the term “cretin”, you will find it is traced back to the original Greek, “Christianos”, a term used in that time to describe a simpleton, or idiot. The term later was adopted by the believers at Alexandria, and propelled by the headmasters of the Catechetical School of Alexandria.
For every “weird” accusation there is a logical, truthful answer; my reputation has been commonly smeared, but so was the “cult” called Natsarim in the days of the first followers:
“And we think it right to hear from you what you think, for indeed, concerning** this sect**, we know that it is spoken against everywhere.” - Acts 28:22
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While the modern word “Cretin” etymologically originates from the word Christian by way of Latin, the word did not exist in Greek. The closest thing they had was “Cretan” (which in Greek shares only a single letter with the word Christian, and is completely unrelated), which just means someone from Crete. It was often used derisively, but it was still the proper term.

But am I to understand you are yet another group of Judaisers?
 
Lew_White said:
The term NATSARIM is used to describe the ORIGINAL followers of Yahusha of Natsarith at Acts 24:5. The term “Christianos” is found 3 times in the Greek, but the term was, in that time, a Greek term of scorn. The Hebrew/Yisraelite followers did not call themselves by a Greek term, but were at first called “Christianos” at Antioch, according to Acts 11:26. If you look up the term “cretin”, you will find it is traced back to the original Greek, “Christianos”, a term used in that time to describe a simpleton, or idiot. The term later was adopted by the believers at Alexandria, and propelled by the headmasters of the Catechetical School of Alexandria.
For every “weird” accusation there is a logical, truthful answer; my reputation has been commonly smeared, but so was the “cult” called Natsarim in the days of the first followers:
“And we think it right to hear from you what you think, for indeed, concerning** this sect**, we know that it is spoken against everywhere.” - Acts 28:22
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Lew,

Is it really you? Do you own some Rock Paraphenalia stuff?

As I understand it these are the requirements for entry into the Kingdom.
Conditional Requirements… Guarding Testimony/Faith in Yeshua ( By His True Name ) AND Guarding the Word/Commandments of Ehyeh ( By His True Name ) on our Foreheads ( Minds ).
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So if I have Yeshua on my mind and I guard the testimony and commandments am I in…do I go to heaven?
 
“Heresy” is the strongest accusation one group will accuse another one of. Strong (and deadly) disputes arise between groups who share similar, but not identical beliefs. Sunni and Shi’a are similar, but not identical, and so each group considers the other “heretics”.
Since the 12th century, the Natsarim (aka Huguenots, Waldensians) kept the Commandments as written (including the true Sabbath, not Sun-day), and were brutally attacked by German, French, and Bohemian armies for centuries, long before the “Reformation”.
THE WIKIPEDIA ENCYCLOPEDIA STATES:
“The Roman Catholic Church declared them heretics — stating the group’s principal error was ‘contempt for ecclesiastical power’. *
The Waldensians were also accused by the Catholic Church*of teaching ‘innumerable errors”.
“JUDAIZER” is the label often used today for those who obey Torah, however at Galatians 2:14 it specifically was over adult male circumcision - Paul confronted Peter over this point, and it was finally decided on as recorded at Acts 15, with Yahusha’s brother James (Ya’aqob) presiding over the Natsarim assembly (he was the Nasi, or president of the Natsarim). If we obey the true Sabbath, and teach love, obedience to Torah, we are accused of being “Judaizers”, and thus “heretics”. The fruit of the tree is the way you determine the kind of tree it is. We Natsarim teach love, which is the outcome of the Commandments. The bad fruit of centuries of extermination, centuries before the Inquisition existed, must be placed in another divisional camp, which will be judged by Yahusha, not me or any other Natsari. We are to love, teach, and obey; not judge.
We are only “heretics” because we love the Commandments, and shun the Nicolaitane “ecclesiastical powers”. We still love our enemies, and don’t kill them. We hold no power, nor pursue it. Yahusha is our Head, we are His body. The fruit identifies the tree it hangs on.
 
Lew_White said:
“Heresy” is the strongest accusation one group will accuse another one of. Strong (and deadly) disputes arise between groups who share similar, but not identical beliefs. Sunni and Shi’a are similar, but not identical, and so each group considers the other “heretics”.
Since the 12th century, the Natsarim (aka Huguenots, Waldensians) kept the Commandments as written (including the true Sabbath, not Sun-day), and were brutally attacked by German, French, and Bohemian armies for centuries, long before the “Reformation”.
THE WIKIPEDIA ENCYCLOPEDIA STATES:
“The Roman Catholic Church declared them heretics — stating the group’s principal error was ‘contempt for ecclesiastical power’. *
The Waldensians were also accused by the Catholic Church*of teaching ‘innumerable errors”.
Judaizers is the label often used today for those who obey Torah, however at Galatians 2:14 it specifically was over adult male circumcision - Paul confronted Peter over this point, and it was finally decided on as recorded at Acts 15, with Yahusha’s brother James (Ya’aqob) presiding over the Natsarim assembly (he was the Nasi, or president of the Natsarim). If we obey the true Sabbath, and teach love, obedience to Torah, we are accused of being “Judaizers”, and thus “heretics”. The fruit of the tree is the way you determine the kind of tree it is. We Natsarim teach love, which is the outcome of the Commandments. The bad fruit of centuries of extermination, centuries before the Inquisition existed, must be placed in another divisional camp, which will be judged by Yahusha, not me or any other Natsari. We are to love, teach, and obey; not judge.
We are only “heretics” because we love the Commandments, and shun the Nicolaitane “ecclesiastical powers”. We still love our enemies, and don’t kill them. We hold no power, nor pursue it. Yahusha is our Head, we are His body. The fruit identifies the tree it hangs on.
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Lew,

You did not answer my question. You just lost credibility and earned a report to the forum masters. I believe that you are proseltyizing…You are preaching.
 
LOL…the infamous “report”…fear and tremble.🙂 The “warning” just struck me 'funny"…
 
I’m not preaching, I’m addressing the question. Specifically, the question was are “we” a sect of “Judaizers”? The context is often misunderstood, since a “Judaizer” referenced from Galatians 2:14 pertains to circumcision, which is the book Paul wrote addressing the topic of circumcision. You did not know this?
 
Lew_White said:
“Heresy” is the strongest accusation one group will accuse another one of. Strong (and deadly) disputes arise between groups who share similar, but not identical beliefs. Sunni and Shi’a are similar, but not identical, and so each group considers the other “heretics”.
Since the 12th century, the Natsarim (aka Huguenots, Waldensians) kept the Commandments as written (including the true Sabbath, not Sun-day), and were brutally attacked by German, French, and Bohemian armies for centuries, long before the “Reformation”.
THE WIKIPEDIA ENCYCLOPEDIA STATES:
“The Roman Catholic Church declared them heretics — stating the group’s principal error was ‘contempt for ecclesiastical power’. *
The Waldensians were also accused by the Catholic Church*of teaching ‘innumerable errors”.
“JUDAIZER” is the label often used today for those who obey Torah, however at Galatians 2:14 it specifically was over adult male circumcision - Paul confronted Peter over this point, and it was finally decided on as recorded at Acts 15, with Yahusha’s brother James (Ya’aqob) presiding over the Natsarim assembly (he was the Nasi, or president of the Natsarim). If we obey the true Sabbath, and teach love, obedience to Torah, we are accused of being “Judaizers”, and thus “heretics”. The fruit of the tree is the way you determine the kind of tree it is. We Natsarim teach love, which is the outcome of the Commandments. The bad fruit of centuries of extermination, centuries before the Inquisition existed, must be placed in another divisional camp, which will be judged by Yahusha, not me or any other Natsari. We are to love, teach, and obey; not judge.
We are only “heretics” because we love the Commandments, and shun the Nicolaitane “ecclesiastical powers”. We still love our enemies, and don’t kill them. We hold no power, nor pursue it. Yahusha is our Head, we are His body. The fruit identifies the tree it hangs on.
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Do you regard the Natsarim as the true Messianic Judaism and do you strictly follow Torah Law?
 
There is no such thing as “Messianic Judaism”, this term is invented to describe those who may be of the tribe of Yahudah, but also practice rabbical “Judaism” (based on Talmud as well as Torah, began by a “rabbi” - or exalted one - named Akiba (2nd century).
The true faith of the followers of Yahusha involves belief in His atonement (by His blood sprinkling our hearts, or inner spirits), and walking in the way He walked; in Torah. We are obliged to go, teach all nations what we were commanded to obey, and that is easily found at Ex. 20, Lev. 11, and Lev. 23. It’s not difficult in the least, and in fact a very light “yoke” (teaching). There’s only one “rabbi”, and that’s Yahusha.
BTW, there’s no such thing as a “Palestinian” either. That word is based on the term “Philistine”, and is a Latin form of it. Natsarim are very real however.
 
Lew_White said:
There is no such thing as “Messianic Judaism”, this term is invented to describe those who may be of the tribe of Yahudah, but also practice rabbical “Judaism” (based on Talmud as well as Torah, began by a “rabbi” - or exalted one - named Akiba (2nd century).
The true faith of the followers of Yahusha involves belief in His atonement (by His blood sprinkling our hearts, or inner spirits), and walking in the way He walked; in Torah. We are obliged to go, teach all nations what we were commanded to obey, and that is easily found at Ex. 20, Lev. 11, and Lev. 23. It’s not difficult in the least, and in fact a very light “yoke” (teaching). There’s only one “rabbi”, and that’s Yahusha.
BTW, there’s no such thing as a “Palestinian” either. That word is based on the term “Philistine”, and is a Latin form of it. Natsarim are very real however.
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So you reject the Oral Law (Talmud) as being transmitted by G-d together with the Written Law (Torah)? That would be similar to Karaite Judaism. Do you then consider the Natsarim the only true Christians, apart from using the term itself?
 
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LOL…the infamous “report”…fear and tremble.🙂 The “warning” just struck me 'funny"…
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I don’t believe in being anonymous. My question was not answered. There is humor there.
 
There is no such thing as an “oral law”. As for our similarities with Karaites, the TaNaK is the basis of the revelation of Truth; but unlike them we also embrace the writings of the Brith Chadasha (referred to as the “New Testament” by Christianity). We overcome “strongholds” (mental fortresses of errant beliefs) by the indwelling of the Spirit of Yahusha, Who guides us into Truth and discernment. He gives His Spirit to those who obey Him (Acts 5:32).
We are not a “religion”. We are guardians of the Name (Yahuah) and His Word (Torah), which He has exalted above all (see Ps. 25:14, Ps. 138:2).
This forum asked the question, what are the core beliefs of the Natsarim? - you’re communicating with one of them now.
 
Lew_White said:
There is no such thing as an “oral law”. As for our similarities with Karaites, the TaNaK is the basis of the revelation of Truth; but unlike them we also embrace the writings of the Brith Chadasha (referred to as the “New Testament” by Christianity). We overcome “strongholds” (mental fortresses of errant beliefs) by the indwelling of the Spirit of Yahusha, Who guides us into Truth and discernment. He gives His Spirit to those who obey Him (Acts 5:32).
We are not a “religion”. We are guardians of the Name (Yahuah) and His Word (Torah), which He has exalted above all (see Ps. 25:14, Ps. 138:2).
This forum asked the question, what are the core beliefs of the Natsarim? - you’re communicating with one of them now.
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Thank you for your informative responses. One more question: do you believe in the divinity of Jesus? I assume you don’t believe in the Trinity; am I correct?
 
Yahusha is Yahuah, as He revealed to Philip (Yn 14:9). “Have I been with you so long, and you have not known me Phillip? He who has seen Me, has seen the Father . . .”
Sorry, there’s no “trinity” revealed as a teaching in Scripture. It came along centuries later as a part of the “creed” developed pertaining to “baptism” (immersion in water, our pledge of a good conscience toward Yahuah, and our commitment/marriage/joining to Him). The “Spirit” is Yahuah, but since Yahuah is the same Person as Yahusha, there is but ONE “person”, not three – unless you can produce a text of Scripture that actually teaches there are three “persons”. We are keen to discern between “exegesis” and “eisegesis”. Our “wineskins” are new, and only accept what is from Yahusha. “Old wine” (human traditions) will not remain where the “new wine” (Yahusha’s Word/teachings) have been accepted.
The Light drives away the darkness, overcoming it completely. If Yahuah were truly 3 persons, He would have surely told us. Most Pagan religions involved 3 (Baal Shalishi - “3 LORD”); all derive from Babel: Nimrod, Tammuz, & Semiramis. BAAL is Hebrew for “LORD”, so we don’t substitute His Name for “LORD” either. These are just some details that may be interesting, I’m not intending to upset anyone.
 
Who are the Natsarim? I’m just curious, saw this thread and it sparked my interest.
 
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