Natural Family Planning

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Arent folks who engage in natural family planning essentially trying to achieve the same end as couples who use contraceptives?

Is one right over the other simply because one option is more natural than the other?
 
Arent folks who engage in natural family planning essentially trying to achieve the same end as couples who use contraceptives?
Not necessarily. Many use NFP to get pregnant.

The implication in this question is that it is the only the “ends” that determine what is moral. This is not correct.

From the Catechism:
1750 The morality of human acts depends on:
  • the object chosen;
  • the end in view or the intention;
  • the circumstances of the action.
“Means” is a synonym for the “object chosen”.
 
Is one right over the other simply because one option is more natural than the other?
It is obviously true that NFP is more natural than artificial contraception but there is much more to it than that. Read Paul VI’ prophetic Humanae Vitae.
 
Arent folks who engage in natural family planning essentially trying to achieve the same end as couples who use contraceptives?

Is one right over the other simply because one option is more natural than the other?
They make seek the same end eg. not to become pregnant at this time. The thing is, that can be a perfectly proper objective - a perfectly proper motivation, arising from any of a number of worthy considerations (health, ability to cope, genuine financial concerns, etc.). With this in mind, the Church speaks of ‘responsible parenthood’.

The Church objection is to the means employed- or the “thing done” to fulfil the objective. The Church says that the marital act should not be interfered with - its procreative nature should not be removed.

A Link to Church Teaching (Humanae Vitae) follows:

w2.vatican.va/content/paul-vi/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-vi_enc_25071968_humanae-vitae.html
 
Arent folks who engage in natural family planning essentially trying to achieve the same end as couples who use contraceptives?

Is one right over the other simply because one option is more natural than the other?
It is not about one being “natural”

In contraception one is going against the nature of the marital act - attacking both the unitive and procreative nature of the martial act. Acting in reality contrary to love.

In NFP - (periodic continence) a couple is abstaining from acting at that moment to avoid a new conception because one needs to avoid a new conception say cause one cannot afford another child at the moment…one has a serious health condition…one is in the middle of a war …etc etc

The “ends” do not justify (make good) the means. One must choose good means to a good end.
 
Commpendium issued by Pope Benedict XVI
  1. What is the meaning of the conjugal act?
2362-2367

The conjugal act has a twofold meaning: unitive (the mutual self-giving of the spouses) and procreative (an openness to the transmission of life). No one may break the inseparable connection which God has established between these two meanings of the conjugal act by excluding one or the other of them.
  1. When is it moral to regulate births?
2368-2369
2399

The regulation of births, which is an aspect of responsible fatherhood and motherhood, is objectively morally acceptable when it is pursued by the spouses without external pressure; when it is practiced not out of selfishness but for serious reasons; and with methods that conform to the objective criteria of morality, that is, periodic continence and use of the infertile periods.
  1. What are immoral means of birth control?
2370-2372

Every action - for example, direct sterilization or contraception - is intrinsically immoral which (either in anticipation of the conjugal act, in its accomplishment or in the development of its natural consequences) proposes, as an end or as a means, to hinder procreation.

vatican.va/archive/compendium_ccc/documents/archive_2005_compendium-ccc_en.html
 
Its a subtle differences: natural family planning says that one can avoid sex during the most natural time to have sex, while the other side says one can have sex then by taking a pill. If either is wrong, they both seem wrong to be. But the Church sees a little subtle difference, so…
 
In NFP, you are still allowing room for the possibility of conception in a natural way. When you use ABC or on the flipside IVF, you intervene unnaturally.
 
Its a subtle differences: natural family planning says that one can avoid sex during the most natural time to have sex, while the other side says one can have sex then by taking a pill. If either is wrong, they both seem wrong to be. But the Church sees a little subtle difference, so…
It’s not subtle, it’s substantial. They have the same Intention, but totally different means. See Post #4.
 
In NFP, you are still allowing room for the possibility of conception in a natural way. When you use ABC or on the flipside IVF, you intervene unnaturally.
The “chance” of conception is actually not the key point. It does not become immoral to have sex with an infertile spouse, and in such cases, we don’t appeal to the possibility of miracles to justify the act.

The obligation is to respect the wholeness of the act; to not break its 1-flesh nature, to not remove its procreative nature.
 
The point of pro-contraceptive individuals (e.g. Sean Hannity) is that sex is for procreation, and likewise a woman’s biology tells her to have sex when she is ovulating. So why isn’t it unnatural to avoid your wife’s biological calls, and to steal one away when her body isn’t asking for it. Taking a pill is taking it one step further, I grant. But people take nicotine, caffeine, mood stabilizers, weight pills that pump you up, ect. Candy is bad for the body and therefore unnatural. Therefore I don’t see a clear argument on natural law against contraception. But what is wrong with accepting it on faith?
 
Contraception: Hey, we want to have sex and enjoy all the pleasure that comes with it, but don’t want a baby, so we’re going to use some artificial means so we can have our happy orgasm and not have to worry about a possible pregnancy. We get what we want (pleasure) and avoid what we don’t want (a baby).

NFP- we’ve discerned that right now isn’t the best time to possibly have a baby, so we’re going to practice self-control (apparently a foreign concept for those that contracept) and abstain from sex during this fertile time. Should we opt to have sex during this time, we’re open to creating a new life.
 
The point of pro-contraceptive individuals (e.g. Sean Hannity) is that sex is for procreation, and likewise a woman’s biology tells her to have sex when she is ovulating. So why isn’t it unnatural to avoid your wife’s biological calls, and to steal one away when her body isn’t asking for it. Taking a pill is taking it one step further, I grant. But people take nicotine, caffeine, mood stabilizers, weight pills that pump you up, ect. Candy is bad for the body and therefore unnatural. Therefore I don’t see a clear argument on natural law against contraception.
Are you sure you understand the argument?
But what is wrong with accepting it on faith?
Nothing. But, why deny a rationale basis for that faith?
 
The thing is I don’t think they really have a natural law “argument” per se. Its more like “you either see it or you don’t” type of thing
 
One difference that shows they don’t have the same intention: The Catholic couple using NFP usually does so because they wish to follow what the Church teaches. Those using contraception while knowing what the Church teaches don’t intend to follow the Church teachings on these matters.
 
The thing is I don’t think they really have a natural law “argument” per se. Its more like “you either see it or you don’t” type of thing
It is evident that the fruits of the marital ‘embrace’ are bound together, by design. The unity it enhances and exudes and the ‘procreative’ nature. This also appears to be a relevant factor in explaining why “homosexual sex acts” are contrary to the natural order. How can it make sense for two men to engage in those acts…the very nature and progression of the act makes it clear it is being misused.
 
Do you believe the Church should regulate the sexual acts of married couples? Or should the Church stay out of the bedroom?
 
It is evident that the fruits of the marital ‘embrace’ are bound together, by design. The unity it enhances and exudes and the ‘procreative’ nature. This also appears to be a relevant factor in explaining why “homosexual sex acts” are contrary to the natural order. How can it make sense for two men to engage in those acts…the very nature and progression of the act makes it clear it is being misused.
Why do all competed sexual acts by married couples need be procreative? Would it really effect a person salvation?
 
The point of pro-contraceptive individuals (e.g. Sean Hannity) is that sex is for procreation, and likewise a woman’s biology tells her to have sex when she is ovulating. So why isn’t it unnatural to avoid your wife’s biological calls, and to steal one away when her body isn’t asking for it. Taking a pill is taking it one step further, I grant. But people take nicotine, caffeine, mood stabilizers, weight pills that pump you up, ect. Candy is bad for the body and therefore unnatural. Therefore I don’t see a clear argument on natural law against contraception. But what is wrong with accepting it on faith?
I haven’t listened to Hannity for a while, I get a feeling he doesn’t even consider himself Catholic anymore, just “Christian”. But I do recall that he has promoted contraception as something a responsible couple would use as part of an overall approach to fiscal responsibility. I think he sees the alternative to contraception, as people having a bunch of kids they can’t afford and filling the gap with welfare and other government programs. I’ve never heard him discuss NFP at all, but I suppose he assumes NFP is too unreliable to count as something a responsible couple would use to prevent births.

Anyway, although many people (both in and out of the Catholic) seem to think the Church wants everyone to has as many kids as they physically can, the Church doesn’t actually teach this. It teaches that limiting births can be appropriate in some circumstances. Arguing that is essentially a strawman. The issue is the MEANS people use for limiting births.

Now, here is where most who support the Church bring in some analogy such as a man robbing a bank vs a man getting a job to feed his kids. But I’d point out an example that’s even more relevant.

Some people actually depend on abortion, not as a last resort, but as a primary means of birth control. Many Christians oppose the use of the Pill, IUD, and other forms of “contraception” that could act as an abortifacient, but DO approve of non-abortifacient means of contraception such as condoms, spermicides, etc.

Such Christians would certainly NOT agree with the argument that “contraception is just as bad as abortion because a woman who has her partner use the condom, and a woman who has an abortion, both have the same goal, avoiding an unwanted child. So it’s hypocritical to oppose abortion but not contraception. If you accept contraception, then you have to accept abortion, both acts have the same end”.

Essentially, NFP is not meant to be a substitute for contraception, it’s meant to be a substitute for total abstinence. Couples mutually agreeing to abstain totally and have a “Josephite marriage” has certainly been accepted by the Church as licit. Periodic abstinence is seen as a variant of that, not “Church-approved contraception”.
 
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