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The Yad Veshem proclaimed Pius XII a Righteous Gentile.

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Not to mention the offensive caption the Yad Veshem had regarding Pius XII’s alleged silence.

In itallics are what the Yad Veshem said.

**“Pius XII’s reaction toward the killing of Jews during the period of the Holocaust is controversial”

**There’s nothing wrong with controversy. But in this case the evidence is too overwhelming to just call this controversial.

"In 1933, as the Vatican Secretary of State, in order to maintain the rights of the Church in Germany, he signed a Concordat with the Nazi regime even at the price of recognizing the racist Nazi Regime."

For the record! A Concordat signed is an agreement. There’s a difference. Hitler of course had no intention of honoring this Concordat. But this Concordat was to allow the Church to help persecuted peoples escape the hands of the Nazis. Isn’t it amazing how people get their history confused?**

“When he was elected Pope in 1939, he put aside an encyclical against racism and Antisemitism prepared by his predecessor”

**They seem to forget that Pius XI was towards the end of his death preparing an encyclical to directly denounce the Nazi regime and Antisemitism, but he died before he could publish it. Pacelli, after he was elected Pope Pius XII decided to wrote his own encyclical, called **Summi Pontificatus, **which talked about the unity of Jews and Christians.

"Although reports about the assassination of Jews reached the Vatican, the Pope did not protest either by speaking out or in writing

NOPE! Simply not true. According to Inside the Vatican, “Robert M. W. Kempner, former prosecutor at Nuremberg testified, Pius issued scores of protests – both public and private – in his first encyclical and Christmas addresses, in meetings with German representatives, in letters to bishops, in *L’ Osservatore Romano *through Vatican Radio and in many audiences.” (by Inside the Vatican Staff, Inside the Vatican, p. 22).

“In December of 1942, he did not participate in the condemnation by members of the Allies regarding the killing of Jews.”
**An oversimplification! And one that ignores the obvious evidence. There was a reason why Pius did not join the Allies in condemning the killing of Jews. Because the Allies wouldn’t let him condemn the atrocities the communists in Russia were doing to their own people. To participate in the public condemnation would have served as politically correct agenda.

*“Even when the Jews were being deported from Rome to Auschwitz, the Pope did not intervene”***Again, factually inaccurate. Pius XII issued two protests, one through his secretary of State Cardinal Maglione, and via his assistants, to German General Stahel. He tried everything he could to stop it. Jewish historian Michael Tagliocozzo – he was a survivor of the raids, thanks to the Church – says that “the Pope’s efforts did succeed in bringing the round- up to an unexpected end, around 2 p.m. on the day it commenced. The secret daries of Adolf Eichmann, released in 2000, reveal how the Vatican’s actions infuriated the Nazis and obstructed their plans, saving many Jewish lives.” (Inside the Vatican Staff, Inside the Vatican, p. 22).

*“He maintained a neutral position except toward the end of the war when he appealed on behalf of the government of Hungary and of Slovokia”

*No! Pius XII was in contact with those who were opposed to the Nazi regime. He even approved of a plot to remove Hitler from office. Dan Kurzman talks about in his book *A Special Mission: Hitler’s Secret Plot to Seize the Vatican and Kidnap Pope Pius XII *(Perseus Books) that Hitler hated Pius XII and wanted him dead and deported.

Last but not least.

*“His silence and absence of directives obliged the clergy in Europe to decide independently how they should behave toward the persecuted Jews.”

*You know, I don’t know where this agenda comes from. But again, this is not true! Pius XII wrote directives ordering bishops, priests, nuns and lay people to save Jews and others from the hands of the Nazis, both oral and written.
 
what are you implying ? I hate to tell you I had relatives in Poland-my dad’s relatives that "disappeared “thanks to the Nazi’s.I’m not a"so called Catholic” and i never said murdering people was right-How dare you say such unkind, uncatholic things. I Know scripture very well and I know Christ asks us to do more then maybe is humanly possible but he does ask it and it does give me pause-am i doing enough? Do I care enough? Do i love enough?Then I remember"all things are possible for God"i I practice the spiritual and corporal works of mercy and have admonished this sinner(meaning me)frequently. any other slights you would like to toss?
 
what are you implying ? I hate to tell you I had relatives in Poland-my dad’s relatives that "disappeared “thanks to the Nazi’s.I’m not a"so called Catholic” and i never said murdering people was right-How dare you say such unkind, uncatholic things. I Know scripture very well and I know Christ asks us to do more then maybe is humanly possible but he does ask it and it does give me pause-am i doing enough? Do I care enough? Do i love enough?Then I remember"all things are possible for God"i I practice the spiritual and corporal works of mercy and have admonished this sinner(meaning me)frequently. any other slights you would like to toss?
I think you misunderstood my post - I mean everything I said, but I never was attacking you. I was attacking the “so called catholics” who contribute at stormfront.

Catholig
 
Juliamajor,

I’m sorry that you misunderstood my post. I thought I should say this because I didn’t in my above post. I also am sorry that members of your family were murdered by Hitler. I hope that this misunderstanding doesn’t cause any future animosity between us.

Catholig
 
From Inside the Vatican

By Maurizio Di Giacomo

“Cardinal Pacelli defined the most recent acts of the Nazi regime against the German Catholic Church as follows: ‘The crimes committed in the two past years are comparable to those of Bolshevism’, then in power in the USSR.”

“Another Jesuit, Father Gunlach, who had been given the task of finding the documentation for Pius XI, wrote to Father La Fargue, after the project had finally been dropped: ‘It is wrong to dispense the bourgeoisie, above all the Catholic bourgeoisie, from any real sacrifice, playing on the fear of Communists attacking religion and the Church… It is necessary to understand that this mad race myth supported by National Socialism is likely to become as dangerous for the world as Communism’” (Page 176 from Fattorini’s Pius XI, Hitler and Mussolini: A Pope’s Solitude).

From an interview w/ Tornielli

“We must remember that Kempner was a magistrate, a German Jew who had emigrated to the U.S.A. and who was the prosecutor’s assistant during the Nuremberg Trials. He was therefore the best-informed person about all the events concerning Nazism. He himself told Hochhuth what you have just said, i.e., that any open condemnation woul dhave been counterproductive. The Pope was ware of that and acted accordingly to avoid the worst. Such a cautious attitude enabled him to set up a huge organization of humanitarian aid. A Jew, Pinchas Lapide, reckoned that thanks to the Church’s
intervention, between 750,000 and 850,000 were saved in Europe. No other religious or humanitarian institution did so much.”

AND

“During Nazi occupation of Poland, after the outbreak of the Second World War, he prepared letters in support of Poland. These letters were brought to Krakow in an advernturous journey by Monsignor Quirino Paganazzi, of the pontifical antechamber. He succeeded in his task, hiding the letters in flasks. However, when Archbishop Sapieha saw them, he said to Paganazzi: ‘Thank the Holy Father for his support, but I cannot publish these letters, as the Nazi’s reaction would be ever more dreadful.’ This episode provides further evidence that the Pope’s firmer reaction would only have triggered a wave of crueler persecutions.”

Andrea Tornielli, Pio XII, Eugenio Pacelli, Un Uomo Sul Trono Di Pietro.
 
I’m not saying that I’m perfect or anything - I simply think that it sad that there would be so called catholics whose POV is that Hitler was right in murdering saints, catholic, and jews, and in persecuting the Church. I also feel that instead of making excuses we should practice spiritual works of mercy and admonish the sinner.Catholig
I am dumbfounded. Who is making excuses?
 
bones: why would Yad Veshem decide that PiusXII was a Righteous Gentile while at the same time condemning him for silence? Thanks!
 
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juliamajor:
…was enough done by rank and file man on the street catholics?
There is a feeling that, if only one Jew or one Pole or one Gypsy were killed in the camps, nothing could have been enough. The loss of one life was the loss of a world.

Certainly comfortable Canadians, English, and Americans turned back Jews at the harbour during the War.

But to say that the Church Herself was in some way complicit in the loss of life is really missing the mark. After Jews, Catholics were the next largest group to be victimized by the camps. Hitler considered the Church to be his greatest enemy.
 
StornFront hahahahahaha! I was doing a report during my freshman year on racism in North America, so I went on to StormFront (with my IP address masked…) and it appears that many of WNs (white nationalists, their cute name for themselves) on the site are 13 to 20 years in age. Much of it seems to be nothing more than Nazi punk culture which many of them by the time they become sensible adults will abandon. I’m not trying to brush it aside, but StornFront has no credibility. I do pray though for any Catholic that sadly has fallen victim to White Nationalism and StormFront…
 
I thank you for your clarifications and support.
I’m not trying to brush it aside, but StornFront has no credibility.
I still say that the K of C has a massive PR problem, if only because of its name. 😦

I will not try to explain my cultural context. That is a long story, which does not belong on the internet. And I pledged to quit using the “M” word (suffering “saints”, my word—:eek: )

Suffice it to say that was raised in great shame because of my 1/4 German ancestry, and denied the rest of my family history and culture because the United States of America is ashamed of :banghead: nothing. Because schools taught that nothing happened.

The idea of Holocaust education is to prevent it from happening again-- to any group of people, not to tell the public that Jews are the only people who have suffered.
 
neo-nazis…

boy, talk about following a losing team. the nazis got whooped in WWII, their leader committed suicide, they murdered people like cowards, and the rest of them went into hiding like scared little schoolgirls.

THERE is a group to align youself with. :rolleyes:
 
StornFront hahahahahaha! I was doing a report during my freshman year on racism in North America, so I went on to StormFront (with my IP address masked…) and it appears that many of WNs (white nationalists, their cute name for themselves) on the site are 13 to 20 years in age. Much of it seems to be nothing more than Nazi punk culture which many of them by the time they become sensible adults will abandon. I’m not trying to brush it aside, but StornFront has no credibility. I do pray though for any Catholic that sadly has fallen victim to White Nationalism and StormFront…
How does one mask his IP address?

Catholig
 
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