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I just wanted to post a little tidbit of information. I believe when Pope Pius XI issued “Mit brennender Sorge” it was the first and only time a Papal encylical has been officially promulgated in a language other than Latin.

I can’t remember where I heard that, but if true it underscores the Catholic Church’s concern at the time for the growing threat Nazism and Fascism presented for Europe.

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I just wanted to post a little tidbit of information. I believe when Pope Pius XI issued “Mit brennender Sorge” it was the first and only time a Papal encylical has been officially promulgated in a language other than Latin.

I can’t remember where I heard that, but if true it underscores the Catholic Church’s concern at the time for the growing threat Nazism and Fascism presented for Europe.

ChadS
That is true and priest were persucuted for reading it to thier congregations at Mass. The Church did more then any other group to speak out on what was going on in Germany and Europe at the time, but they where up against a diabolcal organized effort to silence the Church. The NAZIs were out to crush Judism and Christianity for it’s connection to Judism. Much like what is going on Western Society today.
. Ever masters of the euphemism and of political sleight-of-hand, they kept the general population confused about their true motives. When Hitler needed the support of the churches in the early days of the regime, for example, the SA attended Sunday services en masse, creating “veritable SA church parades” (Grunberger:485). But just months later these same troops marched in the Nuremberg Party Rally alongside the Hitler Youth as they sang anti-Christian songs. “No evil priest can prevent us from feeling that we are the children of Hitler,” the children sang. “We follow not Christ, but Horst Wessel. Away with incense and holy water…The swastika brings salvation on earth” (ibid.:489). For their part, the SA sang, “Storm Trooper Comrades, hang the Jews and put the priests against the wall” as the refrain to one of their favorite tunes.
In Hitler and I, Strasser records a conversation he had with Hitler, in which Strasser criticized Nazi propagandist Alfred Rosenberg for his pagan ideals. “Hitler stopped and looked me in the eyes,” writes Strasser, “‘Christianity is, for the moment, one of the points in the programme I have laid down. But we must look ahead. Rosenberg is a forerunner, a prophet. His theories are the expression of the German soul’” (Strasser, 1940:96). Much later, as Hitler’s religion of hate appeared to have completely overwhelmed the German culture, Hitler proclaimed, “Do you really believe the masses will ever be Christian again? Nonsense, that tale is finished” (Newton:16).
From the early years, leading Nazis openly attacked Christianity. Joseph Goebbels declared that “Christianity has infused our erotic attitudes with dishonesty” (Taylor:20). Himmler is reported to have considered Christianity “the greatest plague delivered by history, and demanded that it be dealt with accordingly” (Ziegler:85).

We should not fool ourselves, thier is evil in the world, anything that makes a mockery of the Church, such as NAZI Catholics, is just another effort to undermind the teachings of Christ. Pray for such misguided souls.
Pope Pius XII was not silent in the face of Nazism, either before he was elected pope in 1939 or during the war years. As Golda Meir, future Israeli Prime Minister and then Israeli representative to the United Nations, said on the floor of the General Assembly at the Pope’s death in 1958: “During the ten years of Nazi terror, when our people went through the horrors of martyrdom, the Pope raised his voice to condemn the persecutors and commiserate with the victims.”
 
How does one mask his IP address?

Catholig
There is also commercial software available in the “big box” business stores that effectively reroutes all of your internet activities through their servers which supposedly masks your traffic…from everyone but them?
 
Well I was trying to do a search to see if there was any information about the Tridentine Mass in Welsh - and somehow I came across the Stormfront website. I know what it’s about - and I don’t visit it. :mad: But I saw it mentioning the Tridentine Mass, and someone “doubting” his catholic faith. Of course he had a stupid clay Hitler Nazi avatar - oh and the first person to reply apparently made reference to the Book of Job to help him keep his faith! This guy had a Nazi logo at the bottom of his posts!!!

They even have a sub forum (from what I can tell) for Christian/Catholic/Anglican apologetics. :mad: I feel like telling them about St. Maximilian Kolbe, and St. Edith Stein!!!

The URL in question is as follows www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/starting-doubt-my-catholic-faith-384719.html

Catholig
 
…as pope pius X1 proclaimed.'no one can be at the same time a socialist and a Catholic…and since the national socialist workers party of germany called for a left wing dictatorship…which leaves no room for treedom of religion and thus thought and conscience.no Catholic can belong…as none can join the KKK or Masonic orders etc…I found some 37 articles in the NYTimes from 1939-1945 in which the headlines read…The Vatican or Pius X11 condemns the latest Nazi atrocity…etc etc…and could not find one outrage of a speech from President franklin Delano Roosevelt during the same period…of course the Vatican had a standing army of 60 fierce Swiss guards with 6 foot lances while FDR had only 12 million in the armed forces here…Jesus was for individual responsibility thats why He always declared one is saved one by one not by a group or committee…Nino
 
since the national socialist workers party of germany called for a left wing dictatorship
That’s an interesting argument that seems to have completely escaped those people around at the time and serious historians ever since.

Perhaps you would like to explain further?
 
That’s an interesting argument that seems to have completely escaped those people around at the time and serious historians ever since.

Perhaps you would like to explain further?
NAZIs Bad to the bone
To understand the pagan mind in this context we must recognize the truth about
left-right polarities in the political sphere. With minor discrepancies, all left-wing ideology can be identified as “regressive,” and right-wing ideology as “progressive.” Left-wing regressives incite mutual plunder, encourage dependency and pragmatically aspire to the lowest common denominator. Genuine right-wing progressive conservatives encourage creativity, inspire mutual affirmation, trust and human productivity. By nature, all socialism falls on the regressive side, in that “socialism,” is simply a political ideology which often lacks a true sense of social justice. Evil disguises itself as virtue (e.g., the goal of racial purity) because it has no life of its own (which is why sad bondage wishes to be known as “gay liberation.”)
Generally, adherents of the Left fail to do what is necessary to guard the dignity of their fellow man. A left-leaning historian, for instance, would fatalistically argue that “history” repeats itself, while a conservative like Voltaire could observe correctly how it is instead “man who always repeats himself.” No wonder left-regressives cannot learn from history. If history just “happens” then little can be learned from it or done to prevent it from happening again. Basing one’s decisions on a revised, corrupted or inverted version of history, however, is another matter. Some of man’s worst follies are committed because of erroneous or falsified information.
In trying to understand the Nazi phenomenon we often ask ourselves how a gang of murdering thugs could have seized power in such a civilized nation? The truth is that Germany during the Weimar period was one of the most *uncivilized *nations in the world. Hitler himself referred to Berlin as the whore of Babylon. We consistently err in judging the advancement of human civilizations on the basis of art and technology. The Nazis loved classical music, and they were astute in the use of science and technology. The question we must ask about every society is, to what end is human culture is employed? For left-wing regressives, culture serves destruction and death. For right-wing progressives, culture focuses upon life.
 
They are serious. Dead serious.
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Kevin E. Abrams is not
a product of Academia. Kevin refers to himself as a lay “psycho-historian,” meaning, the study of “who,” and the “why” of history. Over the past 20 years, he has written numerous articles on the “gay” issue, and in 1995 co-authored The Pink Swastika: Homosexuality In The Nazi Party with Mr. Scott Lively.

INTERNATIONAL COMMITTEE for HOLOCAUST TRUTH: Statement of Purpose
The International Committee for Holocaust Truth exists to oppose all holocaust deniers and revisionists, but especially those who promote the myth of a “gay holocaust.” We are scholars and laypersons who have researched the significant role that homosexuals played in the rise and rule of Nazism. Therefore we vigorously oppose and expose historical distortion by gay and lesbian groups which claim moral equivalency to Jewish Holocaust victims and demand a place of honor for gays in Holocaust Memorials and educational programs. We speak for those who died at the hands of homosexual brownshirts and SS concentration camp guards. It is in memory of these truly innocent victims that we dedicate our efforts.
International Committee for Holocaust Truth
c/o Lively Communications Inc.
Box 5271, Salem OR 97304
New York: Dr. Howard Hurwitz, Chairman, (718) 591-6392
Washington D.C.: Dr. Judith Reisman, Vice Chairman, (703) 231-5455
Los Angeles: Scott Lively, Executive Director
, (714) 666-8172
Israel: Kevin E. Abrams, Director of International Development, 011-972-6-697-4301
Recommended reading List…
“Germany’s National Vice” by Samuel Igra 1945
“The Secret War Against The Jews” by John Loftus & Mark Aarons 1994 (Which is also a homofascist conspiracy against God & western civilization)
“The Thousand Year Conspiracy” by Paul Winkler
“The Spear of Destiny” by Trevor Ravenscroft
“Der Furhrer” by Konrad Heiden
“The Arms of Krupp” by William Manchester
“The Pink Swastika” by Scott Lively & Kevin E. Abrams which can also be read on-line at earthlink.net/~lively/

The International Committee for Holocaust Truth calls upon the community of right-thinking people around the world to stand against the exploitation of the Holocaust by homosexual political activists. We who love truth must be vigilant in its defense.

This task will not be without cost. As many before us have learned, challenging the homosexual movement draws immediate and powerful attacks from “gay rights” organizations and gay influenced media and institutions. For this very reason we must persevere. Perhaps if truth-loving Germans had fought effectively against the “political correctness” of their day there would have been no Holocaust.
 
A different meaning of the word ‘serious’. I should have been clearer in my original use of the word.
Pick your meaning.

se·ri·ous
adj. **1. **Grave in quality or manner: gave me a serious look.
**2. ****a. **Carried out in earnest: engaged in serious drinking; serious study of Italian.
**b. **Deeply interested or involved: a serious card player.
**c. **Designed for and addressing grave and earnest tastes: serious art; serious music.
**d. **Not trifling or jesting: I’m serious: we expect you to complete the assignment on time. Her question was serious enough to deserve a thoughtful response.
**e. **Of considerable size or scope; substantial: a cleanup that cost serious money.
**f. **Of such character or quality as to appeal to the expert, the connoisseur, or the sophisticate: “Every serious kitchen needs at least one peppermill” Washington Post.

**3. **Concerned with important rather than trivial matters: a serious student of history.
**4. ****a. **Being of such import as to cause anxiety: serious injuries; a serious turn of events.
**b. **Too complex to be easily answered or solved: raised some serious objections to the proposal.

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That’s an interesting argument that seems to have completely escaped those people around at the time and serious historians ever since.

Perhaps you would like to explain further?
The Nazis were the National Socialist Workers Party, which is Socialist by it’s very nature. Which is the very anti-thesis of Catholicism. Socialism is very leftist by it’s nature. How hard is it for people to remember that?
 
Bones,

Off topic but I just visited your blog…pretty nice (I’m not a Catholic so I can’t give you anything better than pretty nice or else I’ll lose my Calvinist license :D).

I think you and a few other Catholic posters here should advertise your blogs a little better. Church Militant has a nice one as well but I noticed a fair number of his posts/blogs…whatever they are called have no comments too.
 
Bones,

Off topic but I just visited your blog…pretty nice (I’m not a Catholic so I can’t give you anything better than pretty nice or else I’ll lose my Calvinist license :D).

I think you and a few other Catholic posters here should advertise your blogs a little better. Church Militant has a nice one as well but I noticed a fair number of his posts/blogs…whatever they are called have no comments too.
Which blog? If you like our blogs, why don’t you join our Church? Think about the offer.
 
I’m sure many of you have either read or at least heard of “Hitler’s Pope” by Cornwell.

I read somwhere just the other day that in one of his later books he admitted that he couldn’t know the motivition behind any of Pius XII actions before or during the war.
 
Which blog? If you like our blogs, why don’t you join our Church? Think about the offer.
The warriorspost is the one I went to.

What kind of signing bonus do I get if I join your team?
 
I’m sure many of you have either read or at least heard of “Hitler’s Pope” by Cornwell.

I read somwhere just the other day that in one of his later books he admitted that he couldn’t know the motivition behind any of Pius XII actions before or during the war.
Part of it was due to the fact that the actions taken by the Nazis against the Church was comparable to that of the Bolsheviks. Another was that the Church was neutral during the war. So Pius would denounce the Nazis indirectly in his speeches. If Pius spoke out directly against the Nazis this would have not only proved futile but would have intensified the persecutions. And also, you don’t tell the enemy what you’re doing during the war. Check out Summi Pontificatus, and Mystici Corporis.
 
I’m sure many of you have either read or at least heard of “Hitler’s Pope” by Cornwell.

I read somwhere just the other day that in one of his later books he admitted that he couldn’t know the motivition behind any of Pius XII actions before or during the war.
Cornwell is a disgrunted (liberal:rolleyes: ) Catholic and his research is faulty to say the least, you should check out The Myth of Hitler’s Popeby Rabbi David G. Dalin.
this quotation by Albert Einstein:
“Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler’s campaign for suppressing truth. I had never any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel a great affection and admiration because the Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual truth and moral freedom.” (Quoted in Time Magazine, December 23, 1940)

There are many more, of course.

Including these three:

The 1943-44 American Jewish Yearbook reported that Pope Pius XII “took an unequivocal stand against the oppression of Jews throughout Europe.”

Dr. Rafael Cantoni, head of the Italian Jewish Assistance Committee said: “The Church and papacy have saved Jews as much and in as far as they could save Christians…Six million of my co-religionists have been murdered by the Nazis, but there could have been many more victims, had it not been for the efficacious intervention of Pius XII.”

Shortly after World War II, Grand Rabbi Isaac Herzog of Jerusalem wrote: “I express my thanks as well as deep appreciation…of the invaluable help given by the Catholic Church to the Jewish people in its affliction.”

Were Pope Pius XII’s contemporary admirers somehow mistaken?

Was Pope Pius XII secretly in league with Adolf Hitler?

Rabbi David G. Dalin not only answers no, but explains why that is so, in The Myth of Hitler’s Pope. Review
 
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