NBC coverage of Olympics was lousy

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Synchronized skating could always be made more appealing to a larger audience.
  1. Is there any way to add some sort of ball?
  2. Have two teams compete simultaneously on the same ice and allow them to interfere with each other.
 
I’m guessing that all the other sports probably had their online broadcasts, too. Their fans would know.

Dick Button is a two-time Olympic Gold medalist in Men’s Singles, one of the few skaters who has accomplished this feat. He is one of the greatest male skaters of all time, if not THE greatest male skater. (I disagree strongly with Scott Hamilton that Evgeny Plushenko is the greatest, and I think many others disagree, too.)

Button was the first to accomplish many of the triple jumps in competition, and many of the elements used in Singles skating were created by him. Much of the development of television figure skating broadcasts happened because of Dick Button. He was the best promotion agent ever for this sport.

The team of Dick Button and Peggy Fleming covered skating for most than two decades, and the chemistry between them was wonderful. They were there for many of the greatest moments in figure skating history, and communicated not only the facts to the fans, but also the feelings of those moments.

One of the reasons that synchronized skating has not developed a huge public fan base is that we don’t have a Dick Button to promote the sport. 😦 Wish we did. You might be watching synchronized skating on television this weekend if we had a Dick Button.
Dick is still around and very well respected. yes I am very much aware of his accomplishments on the ice. Yes for a long time he did do an excellent job. I just think at the end, he and Peggy were over done and became full of themselves. It seems like figure ice skating is in a flux and needs to change. It seems kinda sad that in the single mens, there was not a clean program and one has to wonder about a sport that become so difficult that even at the highest levels, it seems like no one is able to deliver. Likewise, the hip and back injuries that are cropping up and starting to shorten people’s careers. When people start to turn themselves into prezels are they really going to last long? Do you think they should bring back the compulsary figures as a discipline?
 
Synchronized skating could always be made more appealing to a larger audience.
  1. Is there any way to add some sort of ball?
  2. Have two teams compete simultaneously on the same ice and allow them to interfere with each other.
Isn’t that called hocky? 😃
 
Dick is still around and very well respected. yes I am very much aware of his accomplishments on the ice. Yes for a long time he did do an excellent job. I just think at the end, he and Peggy were over done and became full of themselves. It seems like figure ice skating is in a flux and needs to change. It seems kinda sad that in the single mens, there was not a clean program and one has to wonder about a sport that become so difficult that even at the highest levels, it seems like no one is able to deliver. Likewise, the hip and back injuries that are cropping up and starting to shorten people’s careers. When people start to turn themselves into prezels are they really going to last long? Do you think they should bring back the compulsary figures as a discipline?
I agree with pretty much everything you say. The sport is in trouble, in the rink and among the fans. I agree that the weird spinning positions are getting out of control. And I agree that the big jumps should be drastically curtailed. It’s sad that we get to see only a few men compete–as Tim Goebbels said, only 18 men in the world can do quads. Sad!

Yes, I think compulsory figures should be brought back, but not as a requirement to compete in any of the other disciplines. I think it should be recognized and endorsed by the ISU as the 6th Discipline of the sport: Ladies Singles, Mens Singles, Pair, Dance, Synchronized…and School Figures.

The problem with school figures is that they lose money for skating rinks, so rinks don’t like to provide the ice for them during the day or evening, or even in the early morning. Only a small number of people can work on their school figures at any given time, and this means that only a few people are on the ice, and it’s just not affordable for these few to cover the cost of that hour of ice. So the rink takes a loss on school figures.

The solution to this is to offer patch ice early EARLY in the morning. At least one of the Chicago rinks offers patches at 5:00 a.m. or earlier. In our city, the last skater who worked on school figures (she was working on her final test) came in at 4 in the morning–she actually had her own key.

You might wonder if anyone would ever do this. I know adults who find the school figures very relaxing, and they are an excellent strengthening exercise, kind to the joints and peaceful to the soul. Skaters used to have to listen to tapes on boom boxes while they worked, and now they could listen to iPod music–sweet!

If school figures are not brought back as a discipline soon, those who are capable of judging them will all die off, and there won’t be anyone left who can access the correctness of the figure. I think this would be unfortunate. Figure skating is an “edge” sport, not an acrobatic sport, and school figures should be available for those who wish to hone their edges to perfection.
 
I’ve seen synchronized swimming. What’s synchronized skating?

Doesn’t seem like people could do it well enough to make it look good.
At least in synchronized swimming nobody falls on their keestah. :bigyikes: :rotfl:
Sorry to ignore your query. Busy. I’ll get back to this. In the meantime, do some youtubing or googling. If you youtube “Olympic synchronized skating”, you’ll find some montages that compare synchro to Singles/pairs/dance.’

Look at programs by Haydenettes to see the best in the U.S. Be careful–a lot of teams are on Youtube, and not all of them are very good. Don’t judge the sport by some local recreational team that’s working hard to get better! 🙂
 
I agree with pretty much everything you say. The sport is in trouble, in the rink and among the fans. I agree that the weird spinning positions are getting out of control. And I agree that the big jumps should be drastically curtailed. It’s sad that we get to see only a few men compete–as Tim Goebbels said, only 18 men in the world can do quads. Sad!

Yes, I think compulsory figures should be brought back, but not as a requirement to compete in any of the other disciplines. I think it should be recognized and endorsed by the ISU as the 6th Discipline of the sport: Ladies Singles, Mens Singles, Pair, Dance, Synchronized…and School Figures.

The problem with school figures is that they lose money for skating rinks, so rinks don’t like to provide the ice for them during the day or evening, or even in the early morning. Only a small number of people can work on their school figures at any given time, and this means that only a few people are on the ice, and it’s just not affordable for these few to cover the cost of that hour of ice. So the rink takes a loss on school figures.

The solution to this is to offer patch ice early EARLY in the morning. At least one of the Chicago rinks offers patches at 5:00 a.m. or earlier. In our city, the last skater who worked on school figures (she was working on her final test) came in at 4 in the morning–she actually had her own key.

You might wonder if anyone would ever do this. I know adults who find the school figures very relaxing, and they are an excellent strengthening exercise, kind to the joints and peaceful to the soul. Skaters used to have to listen to tapes on boom boxes while they worked, and now they could listen to iPod music–sweet!

If school figures are not brought back as a discipline soon, those who are capable of judging them will all die off, and there won’t be anyone left who can access the correctness of the figure. I think this would be unfortunate. Figure skating is an “edge” sport, not an acrobatic sport, and school figures should be available for those who wish to hone their edges to perfection.
I appreciate your analysis. I was watching a couple of youtube videos of Janet Lynn who in essence was the reason skating figures were devalued in the first place. I don’t think people realize that when Peggy Fleming won the Gold, that was half of the results were from school figures. In the last article by Janet Lynn, she was commenting about the fact that they gave skaters control and discipline on the ice. I think part of the problem could be that pairs and dancing skaters didn’t have to be judged by it yet single skaters were and that the new emphasis on difficult jumps and twists and bielman twirls are causing skaters to end their careers too early. Janet Lynn had such musicality and arm movement to her skating. I do see that in ice dancing but not so much in the current singles. I think Janet Lynn had some ballet which helped and I would think would be an essential for any skater. (like it is with the Russian skaters). It is honestly sad to watch these skaters at the highest level repeated fall and not succeed and one has to wonder that if these things are that difficult to do, is it more luck than true mastery for skating success.
 
I appreciate your analysis. I was watching a couple of youtube videos of Janet Lynn who in essence was the reason skating figures were devalued in the first place. I don’t think people realize that when Peggy Fleming won the Gold, that was half of the results were from school figures. In the last article by Janet Lynn, she was commenting about the fact that they gave skaters control and discipline on the ice. I think part of the problem could be that pairs and dancing skaters didn’t have to be judged by it yet single skaters were and that the new emphasis on difficult jumps and twists and bielman twirls are causing skaters to end their careers too early. Janet Lynn had such musicality and arm movement to her skating. I do see that in ice dancing but not so much in the current singles. I think Janet Lynn had some ballet which helped and I would think would be an essential for any skater. (like it is with the Russian skaters). It is honestly sad to watch these skaters at the highest level repeated fall and not succeed and one has to wonder that if these things are that difficult to do, is it more luck than true mastery for skating success.
Agree with you entirely on Janet Lynn. IMO, she’s the greatest female freeskater of all time. Once they hear about her, young skaters idolize her.

robwar, forgive me if you already know this. I’m posting the following for those who aren’t familiar with the sport of figure skating.

The pairs did not have to compete with school figures, but they had to TEST them in order to take their Singles tests, which were necessary for them to be good Pairs skaters. School figures kept a lot of skaters out of Pairs, just as they prevented a lot of kids from competing in Singles.

Pairs have a series of tests that they have to pass in order to compete at the Senior level (Olympic-level–all Olympic figure skating in any discipline, including synchronized if it ever makes it into the Olympics, is SENIOR-level skating–the highest test level).

Dance competitors test the Dances from Preliminary, Pre-Bronze, Bronze, Pre-Silver, Silver, Pre-Gold, Gold. These tests are absolute killers, and many skaters take them over and over to pass. Skaters actually fail the Preliminary dance tests! Yes!

The judges do not give one little 8th of an inch! They expect every little edge and turn to be perfect. In addition, they want the skater to correctly interpret the dance and present it properly. E.g., the Argentine tango (one of the Gold dances) is supposed to be fiery and have sharp movements, while the Hickory Hoedown is obviously more rollicking and folksy!

Also, the ice dancers have to test each dance solo AND with a partner. Part of ice dancing is the ability to partner the dance, not just dance all by yourself. The skaters can test the dances with their coaches (same sex or opposite sex), but it’s really hard for many of the coaches to keep up the skills to test the higher-level dances. Also, a lot of the coaches are short, and a lot of the females testing (especially synchro skaters) are very tall, and this makes it hard for the coach to test with them.

So often, a male partner will be recruited or even brought in/flown in to test with all the female skaters. (A young man can make some very good money doing this on weekends! Mamas, DO get your sons involved with ice dancing!)

No one has to test ice dancing in order to compete in Singles, Pairs, or Synchro, but it is required for Ice Dancers, and many synchro coaches require the ice dance tests for their team members.

The school figures were replaced by a series of tests called “Moves in the Field (MIF).” There are eight of these tests. Each test includes ten-twenty minutes of stroking, turns, edge moves, even a school figure at the younger level! Part of what makes the tests difficult is that the entire MIF test has to be done; it can’t be broken into several pieces like the School Figures or the Ice Dances. The reason for this is that the tests are supposed to develop strength and endurance as well as precision in edge work.

Each MIF test has to be passed before the skater can attempt to test the corresponding freestyle test.

A lot of skaters never or seldom compete, but stay in the sport to work on and pass the tests. It is a great accomplishment for a skater to pass any of the “Gold tests” (Senior tests). U.S. Figure Skating gives these skaters a pile of stuff–not only the certificate, but a jacket and lots of letters of congratulations, signed for real (not by a computer) from all kinds of figure skating high-ups! It’s a real thrill.

My older daughter passed her Gold MIF test before the jackets were given out. She has been working on her Ice Dance tests since she was 14 years old–she’s now 30. She’s passed one of the four Gold dances, and has hopes that now that she is living in NYC, she can find a rink that has ice dancing coaches and get some serious practicing done so that she can finally achieve that Gold Dance level and get all the stash from U.S. Figure Skating. After that, she plans to keep practicing and pass what are called the “International Ice Dance” tests. She never competes and has no interest in competing.

I have to brag a little and say that she has never failed an ice dance test.

My younger daughter (28) got inspired by the Olympics, and plans to resume working on her Gold MIF test, which she never had time to do in high school or college due to competing and coaching and school. She needs a new pair of skates first–her skates are 15 years old and are actually rotting! A pair of figure skates useful at that level, BTW, costs around $800-$1000 or more.

I hope this little tutorial is helpful. A lot of people have no idea that figure skaters have to take tests in order to compete–much different than hockey, snowboarding, or many other sports.
 
I’ve seen synchronized swimming. What’s synchronized skating?

Doesn’t seem like people could do it well enough to make it look good.
At least in synchronized swimming nobody falls on their keestah. :bigyikes: :rotfl:
Here is a link to the Junior St. Louis Synergy Long Program: youtube.com/watch?v=Hge5DaEDiLU

They performed this program in their home rink at a local competition a week before they competed with it at Synchro Skating Nationals in Colorado.

They won the Long Program at Nationals with a full 6 points over the second place program. They placed 2nd at Nationals, but the coach of the winning team called for a review of the scores because she felt that St. Louis, not her team, should have won. That’s something you don’t see happen in Singles skating ever! Class act by that coach!

The program was voted by the Professional Skaters Association (PSA) as the BEST program at Nationals, of all the programs. This is the first time in history that a JUNIOR-level program won this award.

I am very proud to say that my daughter coached many of these skaters in basic synchro skills back when they were younger and members of her beginner-level teams. Back then, after I watched those beginners win a competition that involved 17 other teams, I told their parents, “These skaters will be the first team from St. Louis to earn a spot on Team U.S.A. and compete overseas.”

I was right.

You can actually watch the Nationals and this program on icenetwork if you are willing to subscribe ($30/year), or find a figure skating friend who has a subscription. We watched it, and it was magnificent–IMO, it’s the epitome of really good synchronized skating.

Here is another youtube link to a montage that asks why synchro is not in the Olympics: youtube.com/watch?v=qWMPRWYyFac

This link is part of the #whynotsynchro organization, which formed after the U.S. Nationals in Boston when a lone woman stood up in the audience waving a homemade poster that said, “Why Not Synchro?” Good for her!

Finally, here is an older video, somewhat dated, but still interesting, which compares synchronized skating elements to singles/pairs/dance elements, and asks, WHY is synchronized skating not in the Olympics? youtube.com/watch?v=dmarJOD3-RI

Since this video was made, synchronized skating has increased its skating skill level exponentially–a lot of the stuff on this video is being done by little Preliminary teams now, while the Seniors and Juniors are doing incredibly difficult elements.

The delightful Jason Brown (Olympics–the man with the pony tail and the highly-entertaining programs) was interviewed during the Synchro Nationals–he was full of praise for synchronized skating, and was amazed at the intersections especially. He said they were “scary!” The Senior team from his home club won the Bronze medal–the highest they’ve ever placed at Nationals, and I think he brought them good luck by his charm and friendliness. My daughter and her co-coach and Juvenile team were waiting in line for his autograph, and the security guards cut them off and said, “The session is ended,” and they were so disappointed. But Jason said, “Oh, that’s OK!” and told them to come on over and they did a picture with him, and everyone got to hold his Bronze Olympic medal (team event), and they are now all in love with him! THAT’S one of the reasons I love this sport and recommend it to families–it is filled with friendly people!

Enjoy the videos! Join the #whynotsynchro movement and see us in 2018 in the Olympics!
 
Cat,
I appreciate your analysis totally. I wish I would see more of this kind of in-depth explaining on TV coverage of these sports. I remember when skating figures were dropped that one of the commentators at the time said that they weren’t being required of pairs and dance in competition but singles and according to what I listen to, they lack of skating figures “didn’t seem to hurt those skaters”. Back to the thread topic, I wish that there would be more background explanation of these sports. It makes them interesting and it helps one understand and appreciate the sport. I enjoyed watching the downhill skiing because the women expert would comment and explain what went wrong where and then they used technology to juxtapose different skiers races to show what went right or wrong. I enjoyed listening to hockey talk from the Canadian stations and they do hockey like no one else. Maybe this type of in-depth analysis comes in bits and pieces but a majority of NBC was garbage and fluff. Unless, one has experience and background like you with ice skating or is a devoted follower of a sport, NBC doesn’t enhance anyone from the outside of that sport knowledge and appreciation unless the US has a chance at gold. The over hyped up constant medal count get very annoying and it just should always be considered an honor to by on any Olympic team.
 
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