NBC says we worship the Shroud of Tourin!?!?!

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Aquarius:
OK. From that explanation, I’d say you might be using the word “worship” in a more limited manner than found in common usage. People might understand exactly what you are doing, and that falls under the common usage of worship.

I suspect this problem will continue until the word “worship” either spawns a few other more precise words, or until its meaning in common usage changes.
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You are probably correct. That is what the coloquial term means. For that reason, I tend to be a bit forgiving when secular media accuses Christians of Worshiping things. But that does not make us Idoloters. To be an Idol worshiper is to put something, anything in the place of God. But Christians do not believe anything is to be put in the place of God. We distinguish betweent the honor due a created thing and the honor due the Creator himself. For god we say the type of honor due is Latria (Worship) and the type of honor due to relics and saints is Dulia (veneration). We would call it gravely sinful to give Latria to anything but God. In times past, the word “Worship” was used to describe the honor due to anything or anyone. It was not used the way it is coloquially used today to describe only the honor due to God. One example of this is the enlish use, when one calls a person worthy of honor, “your worship”. They most certainly do not intend to refer to such persons with Latria. It is just that the word worship had a broader meaning in the past. So we come to the problem of defining terms. For some, “worship” means the honor due to anything. For some “worship” means the honor due to religious things only. For some “worship” means the honor due to God alone. I guess when we are discussing such things, we all need to clarify what we mean. Do we mean “Latria”, “dulia”, or both?
 
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NBC says we worship the Shroud of Tourin!?!?!
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**Uhhhhh, what?:whacky:

As a Catholic I wasn’t even sure it was authentic, much less worshipped it. NBC’s ignorance knows no bounds.
 
Catholic29 said:
** **Uhhhhh, what?:whacky:

As a Catholic I wasn’t even sure it was authentic, much less worshipped it. NBC’s ignorance knows no bounds.
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According to what I know, its authenticity hasn’t been established yet…
 
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JimG:
That’s true, and the media in general is not great at explaining complex issues. They probably do better at conveying such things as quantum mechanics than they do at explaining theology. In many fields, including religion, it is critical to make distinctions. Newspaper journalism, and even less so TV news, is not geared to this.
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I think it’s the same everywhere in the world …
 
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StMarkEofE:
This is a good example of the secular press and their infinit ignorance of why Christians venerate relics. They are pathetic.
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…why SOME Christians venerate relics, we don’t ( I’m Protestant )…
 
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Huguenot:
…why SOME Christians venerate relics, we don’t ( I’m Protestant )…
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So, you are not part of the “Some”. Whats the problem?
 
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Huguenot:
…why SOME Christians venerate relics, we don’t ( I’m Protestant )…
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I would clarify by saying that the VAST MAJORITY of Christians venerate relics because apostolic Christians, (i.e. Catholics, Eastern Orthodox Christians, and Oriental Orthodox Christians) out number protestants by far. However, we must keepin mind that there is something that protestants do venerate: the holy Scriptures.
 
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LatinCat:
I would clarify by saying that the VAST MAJORITY of Christians venerate relics because apostolic Christians, (i.e. Catholics, Eastern Orthodox Christians, and Oriental Orthodox Christians) out number protestants by far. However, we must keepin mind that there is something that protestants do venerate: the holy Scriptures.
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It depends on what you call “venerate” : we don’t go anywhere particular and we don’t queue up to see a Bible exhibited in some particular place … 😃
…nor do we bow in front of it and so on …

But we do believe it is God’s word and try to live according to it , well, don’t YOU ? I thought you did…so you “venerate” it too, ha ha ha !!!

At least something we “venerate” together … 😃
 
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Huguenot:
It depends on what you call “venerate” : we don’t go anywhere particular and we don’t queue up to see a Bible exhibited in some particular place … 😃
…nor do we bow in front of it and so on …

But we do believe it is God’s word and try to live according to it , well, don’t YOU ? I thought you did…so you “venerate” it too, ha ha ha !!!

At least something we “venerate” together … 😃
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Of course Catholics venerate the holy Word of God. I was not denying that. I was just pointing out that you guys do to. I mean do you believe its ok to throw a bible on the ground and stomp on it? No you don’t because you know its God’s word and it should be treated with respect (i.e. veneration). I think its great that protestants venerate the bible.
 
NBC says this simply to make christians, catholic and protestant as someone posted earler look stupid
 
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JimG:
Some people venerate Elvis memorabilia.
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True … and in this particular case, where is the border between “veneration”, “adoration” and even “idolatry” ???

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Kitty Chan:
NBC says this simply to make christians, catholic and protestant as someone posted earler look stupid
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Then it means that they did “it” on purpose, I’m not even sure of that …
 
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LatinCat:
Of course Catholics venerate the holy Word of God. I was not denying that. I was just pointing out that you guys do to. I mean do you believe its ok to throw a bible on the ground and stomp on it? No you don’t because you know its God’s word and it should be treated with respect (i.e. veneration). I think its great that protestants venerate the bible.
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In the Bible the TEXT is sacred, not the paper itself ; if someone threw a Bible on the ground and stomped on it, what would make me feel ill at ease is the PURPOSE behind it, the fact that somebody is showing hostility towards Christians …( but other ways of showing hostility would have the same effect on me, words addressed to me for example, which is the case in my family : I’m the only believer, the others are agnostics or atheists ).
But if I accidentally dropped my Bible on the ground, or if someone did that, if somebody stepped on a Bible by accident, I wouldn’t get mad …
It is not the same as for a Catholic if, for example, consecrated bread ( do you say “host” in English ? I’m not sure, you know what I mean ) fell on the ground, even accidentally, since you believe in the real presence of Christ in it–and I think it would be even worse if someone stomped on it to show hostility, then it is a sacrilege…
 
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muledog:
To make matters worse, these kinds of statements always tend to show up in pamphlets and brochures printed by anti-Catholic extremist groups to “prove” that Catholics worship almost anything - including the kitchen sink!

There are many gullible people out there who will harden their hearts even more towards the Catholic Church after hearing these things, misunderstandings or not.
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Well, if I worshipped my kitchen sink , maybe it wouldn’t get blocked so often, should I try ? 😃
 
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Huguenot:
True … and in this particular case, where is the border between “veneration”, “adoration” and even “idolatry” ???

😛
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Well, I wouldn’t accuse Elvisphiles of idolatry. There are of course, degrees of veneration. People venerate many things: antiques, photos of loved ones, oscar statuettes, old books, the Bible, the Quran, wives, husbands, and lovers. It only becomes idolatry when you put the venerated object or person in the place of God.
 
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Huguenot:
In the Bible the TEXT is sacred, not the paper itself ; if someone threw a Bible on the ground and stomped on it, what would make me feel ill at ease is the PURPOSE behind it, the fact that somebody is showing hostility towards Christians …( but other ways of showing hostility would have the same effect on me, words addressed to me for example, which is the case in my family : I’m the only believer, the others are agnostics or atheists ).
But if I accidentally dropped my Bible on the ground, or if someone did that, if somebody stepped on a Bible by accident, I wouldn’t get mad …
It is not the same as for a Catholic if, for example, consecrated bread ( do you say “host” in English ? I’m not sure, you know what I mean ) fell on the ground, even accidentally, since you believe in the real presence of Christ in it–and I think it would be even worse if someone stomped on it to show hostility, then it is a sacrilege…
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Purpose matters for Catholics matters too. We would not get angry if some one accidentally dropped a bible. Furthermore, we blieve that it is ok to throw them away when they get too worn out to be used anymore.
 
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JimG:
Well, I wouldn’t accuse Elvisphiles of idolatry. There are of course, degrees of veneration. People venerate many things: antiques, photos of loved ones, oscar statuettes, old books, the Bible, the Quran, wives, husbands, and lovers. It only becomes idolatry when you put the venerated object or person in the place of God.
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Well, it depends, as you said, on their degree of “veneration”, but I saw a report on TV , sometimes you really get the feeling that it is a kind of religion and that Elvis is God…
 
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